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[MeOmYo]

Mount Tongariro just erupted on the North island of New Zealand releasing more CO2 than the entire industrial revolution.

[hoagie]

Seriously, Andy? We created an ozone hole, banned CFCs, and saw a recovery. We had massive acid rain in the norheast from mid-west coal plants. We enacted SO2 controls on power plants and largely fixed it.

The speculation of that article is just that - speculation. It's something that Rush Limbaugh would say. "Well who's to say that it's just not the poles reversing cause some skeptic brought that up in some article somewhere?" Well, I'll say: millions of dollars of independent, peer-reviewed research backed by zillions of date points, NASA satellite images, etc., etc., etc. back the climate change research. All the skeptics have is the Limbaughs and the Exxon-backed for-profit scientists saying: "Well, it could be a volcano, or solar flares, or something. We couldn't possibly effect the climate." Yup, just like we didn't effect ozone, acid rain, I suppose Love Canal never happened, we certainly didn't cause any damage to a generation of Japanese w' our nukes, no long-term issues with agent orange, mercury in fish, .... Seriously? You're willing to just speculate that maybe this is all a fluke? A 100k cycle? Yes, that is a possibility too. A 1% possibility that nature is the cause of all of this and we're on the sidelines as a minor contributor. But the 99% of millions of dollars and decades of research suggests we might be having a little more impact. It would be highly coincidental that we just happen to be experiencing a 1 in 100k yr geologic anomaly right at our time of peak CO2 output. You going to go with 1 in a trillion odds that that is the case, or look at the science and our track record?

Last i checked, human beings are a part of Nature...who is not to say that whatever affect we have on the planet is neccesary in the grand scheme? How else can trapped CO2 be released, ores purified into their elemental states, and gasses redistributed ito the atmosphere? Human beings play that role on the planetary scale.

[concert andy]

Mount Tongariro just erupted on the North island of New Zealand releasing more CO2 than the entire industrial revolution.

Not sure if this is 100% accurate, but it was my point that one of these eruptions do more than humans do in a single year, and probably 5-10 years.

[MeOmYo]

ok, well it's accurate until proven otherwise

[TEO]

(((Science)))

[PieDoh]

china is to blame for reversing all the good we did. bill clinton is to blame for maki.g china a most favored trade nation. the globe has been cooling for 20 years. climate is weather over a thousand year period. the last time there was as much CO2 in our atmosphere was 675,000 years ago. how many SUV's and lawnmowers were there then????

[Mr_Pat]

While I think human activity is increasing the speed of global warming, you must remember we are in a constant cycle. The world goes though a cold period and a warm period. We have been getting warmer since the end of the last ice age. at some out we will peak and then thye world will start cooling and a new ice age will fall upon us.... During an ice age a lot of the usable water is held in the poles and the world in very drought like... when we are warn the water is free and the world is wet. Our ocean have risen 300+ feet since the peak of the last ice age.... and will rise more untill the caps are gone... then we will peak and for some reason (curants maybe) we will start to freeze up then... when that happens we will be in trouble.