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[TEO]

Woodrow Wilson?

[Smiles]

Ross Perot

[TakeAStepBack]

Herbert Hoover and FDR. Handsd down. Terrible presidents. From then on, I think all of them essentially suck because they played along with the schemes of these two "LOLberals.

[melissaphish]

Wilson was pretty terrible.....time will tell how bad Bush II actually was.

[Smiles]

Bush defended amerka against the terrorists, saving us all after 9/11

http://hnn.us/articles/48916.html

[TakeAStepBack]

I'll add Wilson in too, ms. TEO, since he came before the two LOLberal morans I named.

SO I gues, for the last hundred years we've had nothing but shitty, stupid, statist LOLberal presidents that have only further wrecked things with each passing term.

[TEO]

Kind of looking that way.

[bigtoddy]

Hayes. Polk.

[Tim the Beek]

Really matters what you mean by worst.

Despite the good that came about during his Presidency, Lincoln set this country on a path which was arguably antithetical to the one its founders intended...not a popular choice, I'm sure, but he did an awful lot of damage, and set the stage for an awful lot more.

[TakeAStepBack]

I was gonna say Lincoln, but it's a controversial issue. Last time i brought him up and called him a tyrant, I ended up in a long winded debate about why, which essentially ended in strain and not much else.

[Tim the Beek]

I'm not gonna debate it. I understand why people might disagree, and the Emancipation Proclamation was a huge deal. Some things are worth debating, and some aren't.

Too much happy in my life to get into strainy chats right now. :cabeetpuke:

[TEO]

I'll have to explore Lincoln a bit more. His being a tyrant is no surprise. I am curious as to his motivations.

Any chance that thread is still around?

[Tim the Beek]

I am curious as to his motivations.

Short answer, I believe, is that he thought it right to preserve the Union at all costs.

[TEO]

Short answer, I believe, is that he thought it right to preserve the Union at all costs.

Hoping his motivations were that "pure."

[syd_25]

Hayes. Polk.

Thought I'd be the only one to say Polk.

[Tim the Beek]

Hoping his motivations were that "pure."

I think they probably were (though I suspect Obama had something to do with it ).

Antietam alone makes his motivations, dark or light, kinda irrelevant in my eyes...

[Eco]

Just saying....I think they all did their best and wanted to be remembered for what they did for our country. Monday night QB's and such have never walked in their shoes.....none of us have in fact. It's sort of hard to judge the performance of something we know little about.....

With that said.....Clinton, he's a failure(kidding).....he failed to film and post videos on Youtube for the tax payers to see. As a taxpayer I want to know if the cigar still had the wrapper on it and either way did he gift it to people who were not aware of where it's been? Other than that and my "balance to mf-ing budget before you take expensive vacations on my dime" I don't post of forums about politricks....

[capt_morgan]

Monday night QB's and such have never walked in their shoes.....none of us have in fact. It's sort of hard to judge the performance of something we know little about......

Q4T


other than that....no comment

[TEO]

"History is not a set of facts but a serious of arguments, issues and controversies."

[Depends]

prolly William Henry Harrison, prolly

[halfstar]

FDR

[Tim the Beek]

Fairly sure, in about 20 years, the answer to this question will be

[TakeAStepBack]

L L

[Joker]

Fairly sure, in about 20 years, the answer to this question will be

There's no doubt he's the perfect candidate and he can do no wrong


Signed,

Loyal Halfstarbot

[jimbo02816]

Although Lincoln had many faults he is certainly not the worst President..in fact he accomplished much and it cost him his life. Herbert Hoover certainly did not do enough to prevent or mitigate the effects of the Depression. George W. Bush got us into a war in Iraq which cost HUNDREDS of billions of dollars and the deaths of thousand of American soldiers based on the premise that Iraq had WMD. They did not. In addition, Bush pushed for No Child Left Behind in an effort to improve education. It hasn't worked because the focus is on teacher performance rather than the real problem of poor parenting, poverty and students who don't speak the language. So, in my opinion, because it has affected me the most, I say George W. Bush

[halfstar]

I am above politics. I wouldn't be caught dead palling around with those vultures.

[PeaceFrog]

funny how getting laid tends to chill a person out.

It's also very telling who people think was the worst president...

Lincoln? He's on the 5 dollar bill, the penny, and mount Rushmore...

Answers like that make me wonder where people got their education because it is such an Un-American sentiment.

[capt_morgan]

funny how getting laid tends to chill a person out. It's also very telling who people think was the worst president... Lincoln? He's on the 5 dollar bill, the penny, and mount Rushmore... Answers like that make me wonder where people got their education because it is such an Un-American sentiment.

its not cool to be american anymore...we're all socialists anyway

[PeaceFrog]

yeah, anti-republicans are the weirdos that want to rewrite history -- only Lincoln's face is carved in stone...

maybe we should just carve that head right off there and replace it with a two-headed Reagan/Bush monster made from toxic chinese plastic.

Or better yet, let's replace Lincoln with Nixon because he was such a gem.

I'm sure the Paulbots would cream their pants if it was Ron Paul's head up there.

[TEO]

Perhaps we should explore more of history than the view we were taught in US public schools.

[deadheadskier]

I was born in 1975

There were decisions made prior to my birth that involved the president that I'm still feeling today. However, as time marches on, the decisions of the presidents before my birth matter less and less. They've become cool answers for Jeopardy in my life, but matter little beyond that.

Since 1975, my vote for worst president is Reagan.

[PeaceFrog]

Perhaps we should explore more of history than the view we were taught in US public schools.

We should... but at what point do we accept something as being "American Culture" and embrace it?

I don't think our "founding fathers" were saints from Heaven and deserve deification.

However, I would say that the carving of four Presidents on Mount Rushmore has a historical and cultural significance on this country, and if your opinion of any of them is negative, then I'm suspicious of you. (unless you're part of the Indian tribe that believe the mountain is sacred. In that case you get a pass)

[PeaceFrog]

I was born in 1975

There were decisions made prior to my birth that involved the president that I'm still feeling today. However, as time marches on, the decisions of the presidents before my birth matter less and less. They've become cool answers for Jeopardy in my life, but matter little beyond that.

Since 1975, my vote for worst president is Reagan.

He was terrible, but people love him and want to put his head on Mount Rushmore... speak of the devil.

[Smiles]

I thought this was pretty awesome http://en.wikipedia....e_United_States

It should be noted most historians are misinformed lolberals

[PeaceFrog]

I think the defacing of a mountain is a bit of an aberration...

then again, we're human and we like to manipulate nature.

So, then I ask, why didn't we finish?? The answer is that they ran out of money... the rich people in this country are sitting on trillions of dollars but they can't finish a monumental work of art such as Mount Rushmore. I got 2 words... Fuckin Cheapskates.

finish what you started assholes... you just deface a mountain and then don't finish

[PeaceFrog]

I thought this was pretty awesome http://en.wikipedia....e_United_States It should be noted most historians are misinformed lolberals

true dat

sorry for shadowing your post like that

[TakeAStepBack]

Reagan sucked if you hate debt/deficit. Reagan was probably the best president since WWII when referring to economic growth/recovery. He held good on creating a prosperous economy, he just never cut any government spending. So all the tax breaks resulted in huge deficits/debts. He got half of it right for his time frame. His foreign policies sucked, but every president since the beginning of the 1900s has run a pretty shitty foreign policy with the exception of only a couple.

[Tim the Beek]

Perhaps we should explore more of history than the view we were taught in US public schools.

Thinking and learning for yourself is dangerous. Please stick to approved "knowledge" only. Thank you.

[Julius]

Except for getting caught, Nixon was the best President of my lifetime. He got us out of 'nam and opened up China.

[Smiles]

Reagan was great if you love corporatism. He allowed 9 of the 10 largest mergers up until his time to occur. He promoted corporate welfare and did plenty to the detriment of america's least fortunate and powerful. You like big business bail-outs? Reagan is your man!

He's also pretty great if you like lax enforcement of government regulations. 50% reduction in meat and poultry violation enforcement. I bet all that rancid meat prolly gives you small government types a boner He also illegally repealed a crash safety measure for his buddy GM and held up quality control standards for baby formula for 18 months. Just a horrendous record as far as public safety and environment is concerned. But that's none o' governments business anyway, is it?

It should be noted I am a misinformed lolberal

[Tim the Beek]

Much as it pains me to say it, I think Bill Clinton's will go down as a very successful presidency.

And fiscally, he makes GWB look like Lenin.

[TakeAStepBack]

Who buys rancid meat?

[Smiles]

dumbass lolberal nanny staters mostly

[TakeAStepBack]

Well, yeah. But who buys rancid meat? Was the death and sick toll through the roof during Reagan's presidency regarding meat and poultry regulation enforcement? And when you say enforcement, do you mean that violations went by without any charges or fines, or do you mean he held up funding to "greater" ensure LOLberals weren't buying rancid meat?

[TakeAStepBack]

But really, who buys rancid meat?

[TEO]

Except for getting caught, Nixon was the best President of my lifetime. He got us out of 'nam and opened up China.

He certainly did some impressive things. I am impressed you would choose Nixon over your beloved Clinton.

[TEO]

But really, who buys rancid meat?

Most people at supermarkets?

[Smiles]

same people who buy contaminated baby formula i imagine.

I got the info from Nader's diatribe against Reagan here:
http://www.thirdworl...Reagan_RNR.html
"The Food and Drug Administration's enforcement level is down about 50 percent, as are the enforcement actions against dirty meat and poultry plants and violators of motor vehicle regulations."

I watched a Nader documentary last night and now I'm all anti-Reagan today.

[deadheadskier]

Who buys rancid meat?

No one knowingly, but when 50 million people in this country get sick each year due to preventable food borne illnesses, regulating the safe handling of food isn't exactly a place the government should be cutting corners.

[Julius]

He certainly did some impressive things. I am impressed you would choose Nixon over your beloved Clinton.

Clinton was/is the smartest politician ever IMO, but I'm a foreign policy guy and as good as Bill was domestically, he fell short internationally. And he fucked a horse.