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[TakeAStepBack]

http://www.nypost.co...M#ixzz1ulXVWfvE

[TakeAStepBack]

When sermons of Obama’s Chicago pastor, Jeremiah Wright, surfaced during the Iowa primaries, it threatened to derail Obama’s campaign. ABC aired one where Wright screamed, “Goddamn America!” Edward Klein interviewed Wright, who told him Obama’s team tried to buy his silence.
‘Man, the media ate me alive,” Wright told me when we met in his office at Chicago’s Kwame Nkrumah Academy. “After the media went ballistic on me, I received an e-mail offering me money not to preach at all until the November presidential election.”

“Who sent the e-mail?” I asked Wright.

“It was from one of Barack’s closest friends.”

“He offered you money?”

“Not directly,” Wright said. “He sent the offer to one of the members of the church, who sent it to me.”

“How much money did he offer you?”

“One hundred and fifty thousand dollars,” Wright said.

“Did Obama himself ever make an effort to see you?”

“Yes,” Wright said. “Barack said he wanted to meet me in secret, in a secure place. And I said, ‘You’re used to coming to my home, you’ve been here countless times, so what’s wrong with coming to my home?’ So we met in the living room of the parsonage of Trinity United Church of Christ, at South Pleasant Avenue right off 95th Street, just Barack and me. I don’t know if he had a wire on him. His security was outside somewhere.

“And one of the first things Barack said was, ‘I really wish you wouldn’t do any more public speaking until after the November election.’ He knew I had some speaking engagements lined up, and he said, ‘I wish you wouldn’t speak. It’s gonna hurt the campaign if you do that.’

“And what did you say?” I asked. “I said, ‘I don’t see it that way. And anyway, how am I supposed to support my family?’ And he said, ‘Well, I wish you wouldn’t speak in public. The press is gonna eat you alive.’

“Barack said, ‘I’m sorry you don’t see it the way I do. Do you know what your problem is?’ And I said, ‘No, what’s my problem?’ And he said, ‘You have to tell the truth.’ I said, ‘That’s a good problem to have. That’s a good problem for all preachers to have. That’s why I could never be a politician.’

“And he said, ‘It’s going to get worse if you go out there and speak. It’s really going to get worse.’

“And he was so right.”

[capt_morgan]

so rons a racist, rand is a bigot, romney is an idiot, and obama is a political briber...thats called a wash. next

[TakeAStepBack]

I think this falls more in line with political bribery.

[capt_morgan]

oh...thats pretty good...i'll amend my previous post to reflect that

[PeaceFrog]

oh no! it's the smoking gun you've been searching for!

NOT. keep searching.

[capt_morgan]

not to mention that there is zero evidence in this irresponsible article other than pure hearsay....from a seeminly butt hurt pastor that has a history of saying stupid shit

you wont find a single court in america that would try this.

[PeaceFrog]

Rupert Murdoch owns The New York Post. It might as well be the "Fox News Post."

[PeaceFrog]

he calls all the sources I post from "liberal rags" but he comes in and posts articles from Murdoch's News Corp... consistent as usual.

[capt_morgan]

i dont know...i dont even care. i just hope certain peoples views on the next 4 years are wrong. not to say i told you so....but so things dont suck.

[PeaceFrog]

"The Post is known for its conservative editorial policy and sensationalist headlines."

--Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia....i/New_York_Post

[Joker]

Does it really make a difference if this is true or not? Those backing Obama will most likely ignore it much like all his other transgressions.

Folks have been suckered into the us or them mentality and will gladly settle for less as long as their side wins.

Meanwhile Rome burns

[capt_morgan]

Does it really make a difference if this is true or not? Those backing Obama will most likely ignore it much like all his other transgressions. Folks have been suckered into the us or them mentality and will gladly settle for less as long as their side wins. Meanwhile Rome burns

seriously?
ur first line paints people in a corner. obamas corner
ur second line bashes them for being suckered into it...and assumes they are settling for less. i assume less is obama? who is more?


yea rome is burning all right...its called gonorrhea of the mouth

[PeaceFrog]

yeah that third party idea is what got George Bush elected... nice going

we need a third party like a woman needs a third tit.

[Joker]

seriously? ur first line paints people in a corner. obamas corner ur second line bashes them for being suckered into it...and assumes they are settling for less. i assume less is obama? who is more? yea rome is burning all right...its called gonorrhea of the mouth

Who is being painted into a corner? Say it is true, do you think it will make a difference to those planning on voting for him?

It doesn't matter if it's Obama or Romney or any other Dem/Rep, I'm talking about being suckered into the "I have to vote my party no matter what" mentality.

[PeaceFrog]

I don't know of anyone that has that attitude except you with libertarians.

[capt_morgan]

i dont have a party...i just think obama is the best available candidate for the job this turn.
paul supporters are playing the us vs. them game too...there is plenty of that to go around. its not exclusive to just the 2 parties.

[capt_morgan]

and no...it doesnt matter if its true or not...just like paulbots dont care that hes a racist...allegedly

[PeaceFrog]

I'm not registered to a particular party, yet, either but I am leaning Democratic so that I can vote in the primary.

Not sure why Joke thinks it's "us vs. them". He's talking out his ass again, prob.

[capt_morgan]

when a boardie has to think twice about verbalizing his or hers opinion about a particular candidate for fear of ridicule and or attempts to invalidate their opinion then yes....it does become an us vs. them thing.

maybe if people understood how their words came across from another persons point of view, there would be less of this being "painted into a corner" BS
it is what it is...and i will defend my beliefs from anyone who makes me feel like there is a problem with my intelligence or logic.

[Joker]

If you think he's the best candidate then vote for him. Paul is a Republican, that's one of the two parties I mentioned. Neither gets a pass as far as I'm concerned.

[PeaceFrog]

you can't post anything pro-Obama on here without constant antagonism by two particular boardies. I think it's an obsession, and it's sad.

[capt_morgan]

im not even voting...

[capt_morgan]

you can't post anything pro-Obama on here without constant antagonism by two particular boardies. I think it's an obsession, and it's sad.

yea...its called trolling

[PeaceFrog]

it doesn't even matter unless you live in Ohio or Florida. They are the states that are most likely to decide.

[capt_morgan]

If you think he's the best candidate then vote for him. Paul is a Republican, that's one of the two parties I mentioned. Neither gets a pass as far as I'm concerned.

he'll prolly run as a 3rd party

[PeaceFrog]

you can't even have an honest negative discussion, because it just gives them fuel to add to the fire.

Because of them, I don't complain about Obama.

[Joker]

Out of curiosity, what would Obama have to do wrong before you considered voting for someone else?

[Joker]

yea...its called trolling

As opposed to having a different PoV?

[seany]

so rons a racist, rand is a bigot, romney is an idiot, and obama is a political briber...thats called a wash. next

This. And I find this about as snooze worthy as Romney being a bully in HS or Ron Paul being backed by racist separatists

I will say, that although I've never been religious, I enjoyed the openness/inclusiveness of the Unitarian Universalist Church in my youth. And we had a great minister, Mack. And we maybe went to services 15-20 times a year - it wasn't a big deal for us. But when we went, it was enjoyable. He crafted great sermons that were less about worshiping a "God" and more about being tolerant and inclusive no matter what your beliefs. Mother's Day would become Muppet's Day with favorite singalongs. Christmas had the best candlelight service with some amazing choir traditionals, but then maybe a Three Dog Night "Joy to the World" thrown in for fun. This was the 80s so there were a lot of immigrant tech people (India, Japan, China, Saudi Arabia...) that came to the services. They didn't have their own places of worship in a rural town of 20k in puritanical Massachusetts. There wasn't a big cross on the wall behind the pulpit - there were all the religious symbols of the world.

Mack was a hero to the communion and local community. He'd be leading the charge at anti-nuke demonstrations and was often arrested. When I was down and out and in the hospital for 3 months at 17, he came to visit me. I hadn't been to a service in 2 years and I doubt my parents had asked him, but somehow he found out and came.

And later that year he would be indicted on rape of some Tibetan girls that had taken refuge in his home... Do a Google of Mack Mitchell Unitarian and there's some details out there. Oprah even did a segment. And do I believe all the sordid details? I'm not sure. Maybe...

What I do know is that Mack did me right through the years. He was unconventional, but I looked up to him.

I think there's probably plenty of controversial ministers out there. That's not to defend Rev Wright's statements, or many of the other ministers who say controversial things - some of whom I think are total asses. I guess it matters more to me whether you're being controversial by being bigoted, divisive, and exclusionary, or whether you're trying to move the ball forward for everyone.

[PeaceFrog]

Out of curiosity, what would Obama have to do wrong before you considered voting for someone else?

curiosity killed the cat

[capt_morgan]

As opposed to having a different PoV?

im not sure...just going by the definition yall established for peacefrog....im all for even handedness

[PeaceFrog]

As opposed to having a different PoV?

that works for 1 or maybe 2 issues, but with you it's a predictable pattern. Out of curiosity, do you get your topic of the day from Glenn Beck or Bill O'Reilly.

[capt_morgan]

Out of curiosity, what would Obama have to do wrong before you considered voting for someone else?

for one thing he would have to be dumber...i cant vote for a dummy

[PeaceFrog]

[seany]

Well I see I wasted my time writing a thoughtful reply, as this has just turned into the usual "Obama = Good" and Ron Paul and Romney can go suck it conversation with a few dissenters. Thanks PeaceFrog - you add so much to the debate around here

[capt_morgan]

sorry seany...i read it

[PeaceFrog]

it's my fault your post is tl;dr?

wow... don't blame me. supposedly everyone is ignoring me anyone, so how can it be my fault?

glad I could provide you with a scapegoat.

[PeaceFrog]

wow... you posted it 8 minutes ago... and it's 11pm on a Sunday night...

sorry I deprived you of so much attention... you're the reason they call liberals whiny bitches.

[Joker]

for one thing he would have to be dumber...i cant vote for a dummy

I think anyone who runs for president in this day and age has a screw or two loose

[PeaceFrog]

it'll take 20 minutes for one of these two to even read it once they do see it. Even then, they'll probably misinterpret something.

and FYI I did read it... I don't have anything to add.

[PeaceFrog]

This. And I find this about as snooze worthy as Romney being a bully in HS or Ron Paul being backed by racist separatists I will say, that although I've never been religious, I enjoyed the openness/inclusiveness of the Unitarian Universalist Church in my youth. And we had a great minister, Mack. And we maybe went to services 15-20 times a year - it wasn't a big deal for us. But when we went, it was enjoyable. He crafted great sermons that were less about worshiping a "God" and more about being tolerant and inclusive no matter what your beliefs. Mother's Day would become Muppet's Day with favorite singalongs. Christmas had the best candlelight service with some amazing choir traditionals, but then maybe a Three Dog Night "Joy to the World" thrown in for fun. This was the 80s so there were a lot of immigrant tech people (India, Japan, China, Saudi Arabia...) that came to the services. They didn't have their own places of worship in a rural town of 20k in puritanical Massachusetts. There wasn't a big cross on the wall behind the pulpit - there were all the religious symbols of the world. Mack was a hero to the communion and local community. He'd be leading the charge at anti-nuke demonstrations and was often arrested. When I was down and out and in the hospital for 3 months at 17, he came to visit me. I hadn't been to a service in 2 years and I doubt my parents had asked him, but somehow he found out and came. And later that year he would be indicted on rape of some Tibetan girls that had taken refuge in his home... Do a Google of Mack Mitchell Unitarian and there's some details out there. Oprah even did a segment. And do I believe all the sordid details? I'm not sure. Maybe... What I do know is that Mack did me right through the years. He was unconventional, but I looked up to him. I think there's probably plenty of controversial ministers out there. That's not to defend Rev Wright's statements, or many of the other ministers who say controversial things - some of whom I think are total asses. I guess it matters more to me whether you're being controversial by being bigoted, divisive, and exclusionary, or whether you're trying to move the ball forward for everyone.

there, you happy now?

someone reply to this.

[Joker]

Well I see I wasted my time writing a thoughtful reply, as this has just turned into the usual "Obama = Good" and Ron Paul and Romney can go suck it conversation with a few dissenters. Thanks PeaceFrog - you add so much to the debate around here

Hello, you must be new around here, welcome to the board

[capt_morgan]

I think anyone who runs for president in this day and age has a screw or two loose

fer ser

[PeaceFrog]

I was actually a little bit down on Obama until I seen how much a couple people on this board hate him... It's polarizing.

[capt_morgan]

I was actually a little bit down on Obama until I seen how much a couple people on this board hate him... It's polarizing.

i feel this way too...i shouldnt.... its weak on my part .but i do believe what i believe. and im not imune to getting baited into shit...especially when the rhetoric is so thick i can swim through it

[seany]

Chris - you're the one who brings up dead threads about Ron Paul. You're the one who will fire off 5 meaningless posts in a half-hour, just to see if you can get TASB or someone else to engage you.

It's no revelation as to what TASB's, yours, Joker's, and many of the rest of our politics are on this board.

Yet you seem to make it a game to see how many replies you can get to your replies that don't say anything new, just poke the dead horse. And when asked to intelligently debate something, you just defer to a bunch of BS. Sorry, but that's "troll" behavior if I ever saw it. If your serious, you'd engage more intelligibly. But you don't - it's the same old BS again and again....

[PeaceFrog]

I haven't bumped a Ron Paul thread in a while... it was TASB because he somehow still thinks RP could possibly win the Republican nomination.

Seriously, are you going to have an intelligent debate with someone who thinks Ron Paul still has a shot at the RNC?

You're right. I ought to just ignore it. I will try to do so from now on.

[TakeAStepBack]

This. And I find this about as snooze worthy as Romney being a bully in HS or Ron Paul being backed by racist separatists I will say, that although I've never been religious, I enjoyed the openness/inclusiveness of the Unitarian Universalist Church in my youth. And we had a great minister, Mack. And we maybe went to services 15-20 times a year - it wasn't a big deal for us. But when we went, it was enjoyable. He crafted great sermons that were less about worshiping a "God" and more about being tolerant and inclusive no matter what your beliefs. Mother's Day would become Muppet's Day with favorite singalongs. Christmas had the best candlelight service with some amazing choir traditionals, but then maybe a Three Dog Night "Joy to the World" thrown in for fun. This was the 80s so there were a lot of immigrant tech people (India, Japan, China, Saudi Arabia...) that came to the services. They didn't have their own places of worship in a rural town of 20k in puritanical Massachusetts. There wasn't a big cross on the wall behind the pulpit - there were all the religious symbols of the world. Mack was a hero to the communion and local community. He'd be leading the charge at anti-nuke demonstrations and was often arrested. When I was down and out and in the hospital for 3 months at 17, he came to visit me. I hadn't been to a service in 2 years and I doubt my parents had asked him, but somehow he found out and came. And later that year he would be indicted on rape of some Tibetan girls that had taken refuge in his home... Do a Google of Mack Mitchell Unitarian and there's some details out there. Oprah even did a segment. And do I believe all the sordid details? I'm not sure. Maybe... What I do know is that Mack did me right through the years. He was unconventional, but I looked up to him. I think there's probably plenty of controversial ministers out there. That's not to defend Rev Wright's statements, or many of the other ministers who say controversial things - some of whom I think are total asses. I guess it matters more to me whether you're being controversial by being bigoted, divisive, and exclusionary, or whether you're trying to move the ball forward for everyone.

That's all well and good. But, if Wright is telling the truth, and I see no reason for him to lie, being Obama's minister (or pastor or however it works) for 20 years. A political bribe to shut him up for the election year doesn't say much about Obama as upstanding and having the people's interests first. He has his re-election on his mind. Enough to kick his own under the bus. If he'll do that, it's safe to say he doesn't care about the people.

[capt_morgan]

thats ridiculous...how can the the alleged treatment of one loose cannon mean he doesnt care about the people?

and i say alleged because there is no evidence this even happened other than the word of wright...which is severely questionable