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#151 vic

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 06:37 PM

anyone know how far from the megabus stop union square is?

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 06:46 PM

Megabus, if im not mistaken will drop you around 34th street (near Time Sq. west side)

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 06:51 PM

which is how far from union square? can i walk?

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 06:53 PM

oh and i'm still waiting to hear back from kawak...anybody have his fb page or something?

#155 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 06:58 PM

which is how far from union square? can i walk?


Yes, you can walk. Union square is on 14th street. Or you can take the R (yellow line) to 14 street stop.

Can you use a map? :bigsmile:

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 07:15 PM

yeah i have no problem mapping it when i get there just wanna know ahead of time

i have no desire at all to take public trans on a day like that :lol:

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 07:20 PM

<p style="text-align: center; margin-left: 80px">It wont be any more busy than any other day in this city.</p>


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Posted 27 April 2012 - 07:21 PM

This board sucks. I'm about one post away from being done with it. Nothing works here. The controls suck, not user friendly......I spend more time repairing posts from shitty scripting than from actually posting.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 07:26 PM

my apologies, i didn't get around to watching this til just now...at least 2 of those kids are fucking douchebags...the only thing i will say is that the title is misleading cause the guy who says let's go get guns immediately says 'just joking', and it's not illegal to own a gun anyway...that kid who points them out individually and calls them pigs is a douchebag no doubt, and i commend the cops there for not responding to him...had i been one of those cops, or even one of the protesters, i would have insulted the kid to the point where he would have been crying with embarassment but eh whatever there's only like 7-10 people in that group and only 2 or 3 acting like clowns, which is not illegal but clearly embarassing to the group as a whole


And when you have 7000-10000 protesters that works out to 2000-3000 with the same type of taunting and instigating. Plus there will surely be a larger percentage jumping on the bandwagon. Now add in the anarchists who are hiding in the crowd throwing shit and urging the crowd to violence. Picture being completely surrounded by a crowd that size spewing that sort of hate-filled shit just waiting to get a negative reaction so they can justify going off.

Is it any wonder that even a good cop might make a mistake or lash back and rough up and hit someone either in anger or self-defense. No matter how much training they get, they're human beings too.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 07:37 PM

And when you have 7000-10000 protesters that works out to 2000-3000 with the same type of taunting and instigating. Plus there will surely be a larger percentage jumping on the bandwagon. Now add in the anarchists who are hiding in the crowd throwing shit and urging the crowd to violence. Picture being completely surrounded by a crowd that size spewing that sort of hate-filled shit just waiting to get a negative reaction so they can justify going off. Is it any wonder that even a good cop might make a mistake or lash back and rough up and hit someone either in anger or self-defense. No matter how much training they get, they're human beings too.


your numbers are wildly skewed for reason i won't even bother to get into

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 07:38 PM

This board sucks. I'm about one post away from being done with it. Nothing works here. The controls suck, not user friendly......I spend more time repairing posts from shitty scripting than from actually posting.



dude seriously...putting links on this board or copying and pasting articles is a fucking nightmare

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 07:44 PM

Bryant Park 42nd and 6th
Union Square 14th and Braodway
all wailking distance
March of Dimes walk was from Central park to the battery and back

8 a.m. to 2 p.m. — Bryant Park
•Bryant Park will be the site of a fun and friendly "Pop-up Occupation", featuring free food, a free market, free services, skillshares, workshops, teach-ins, speak outs, public art, performances, discussions, and trainings.
•This will be a staging area for direct action and civil disobedience in Midtown throughout the day: creative disruptions, bank blockades, outreach to commuters and tourists, and more!
•Amongst many autonomous actions, this will also be the launching ground for our 99 Pickets! We will be setting up 99 Picket Lines to expose, disrupt, and shut down the corporations who rule our city -- it will be an effective way for people to plug into the morning activities on May Day. Drop a line to the organizers to get plugged in: 99PicketLines@gmail.com
•At noon there will be a guitar workshop and rehearsal for the Occupy Guitarmy with Tom Morello.


2 p.m. — March to Union Square
•March and make music with the Occupy Guitarmy, led by Tom Morello from Rage Against the Machine! OWS Music is enlisting 1,000 guitar-playing musicians to join this march. Please contact OWS Music if you would like to be a specialist.


4 p.m. — Unity Rally at Union Square
•The May Day Solidarity Coalition has organized an historic convergence of the 99%!
•Join Occupy Wall Street, labor unions, the immigrant justice coalition, students, and faith & community groups will hold a massive rally at Union Square.
•Musical performances by Das Racist, Dan Deacon, Tom Morello, Immortal Technique, Bobby Sanabria, and other special guests.


5:30 p.m. — Solidarity march starting at Union Square
•A permitted march from Union Square to Wall Street with a coalition of labor, immigrant, OWS, student, and faith organizations.


8 p.m. — Haymarket Martyrs Memorial Resistance Rager


#163 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 07:46 PM

Case in point. Nice code work, feck. Who runs this board and what is the deal here?

Those f^&%ks down at the league office are trying to send us a message. I'm holding a geneeral strike on the board untiil this sucker works properly.

#164 Feck

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 07:48 PM

what a f'n mess
:)

try pasting onto a word.doc, convert to text only, re copy + paste

#165 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 07:54 PM

Too many steps. I ain't got time for the jibber jabber. I'll just lurk instead.

#166 Feck

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 07:58 PM

4:00 PM , time for the friday afternoon run up
faint chanting has started, drums should follow soon

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 08:13 PM

Bryant Park 42nd and 6th Union Square 14th and Braodway all wailking distance March of Dimes walk was from Central park to the battery and back 8 a.m. to 2 p.m. — Bryant Park •Bryant Park will be the site of a fun and friendly "Pop-up Occupation", featuring free food, a free market, free services, skillshares, workshops, teach-ins, speak outs, public art, performances, discussions, and trainings. •This will be a staging area for direct action and civil disobedience in Midtown throughout the day: creative disruptions, bank blockades, outreach to commuters and tourists, and more! •Amongst many autonomous actions, this will also be the launching ground for our 99 Pickets! We will be setting up 99 Picket Lines to expose, disrupt, and shut down the corporations who rule our city -- it will be an effective way for people to plug into the morning activities on May Day. Drop a line to the organizers to get plugged in: 99PicketLines@gmail.com •At noon there will be a guitar workshop and rehearsal for the Occupy Guitarmy with Tom Morello. 2 p.m. — March to Union Square •March and make music with the Occupy Guitarmy, led by Tom Morello from Rage Against the Machine! OWS Music is enlisting 1,000 guitar-playing musicians to join this march. Please contact OWS Music if you would like to be a specialist. 4 p.m. — Unity Rally at Union Square •The May Day Solidarity Coalition has organized an historic convergence of the 99%! •Join Occupy Wall Street, labor unions, the immigrant justice coalition, students, and faith & community groups will hold a massive rally at Union Square. •Musical performances by Das Racist, Dan Deacon, Tom Morello, Immortal Technique, Bobby Sanabria, and other special guests. 5:30 p.m. — Solidarity march starting at Union Square •A permitted march from Union Square to Wall Street with a coalition of labor, immigrant, OWS, student, and faith organizations. 8 p.m. — Haymarket Martyrs Memorial Resistance Rager


so if i get there at 8, i should head to bryant park, yes?

#168 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 08:16 PM

:picardfp:

Just head to work that day, vic. :bigsmile:

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 08:17 PM

yes, 8:00 AM, if i were , i would. they should be there for most of the day, unless you want to tak part in one of the side protests staged fromthere. the guitararmy sounds fun anyway. bring a light jacket/poncho - forecast is for cooler weather with some showers.

http://maydaynyc.org/


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Posted 27 April 2012 - 08:22 PM

yes, 8:00 AM, if i were , i would. they should be there for most of the day, unless you want to tak part in one of the side protests staged fromthere. the guitararmy sounds fun anyway. bring a light jacket/poncho - forecast is for cooler weather with some showers. http://maydaynyc.org/


yeah i'm pumped for the guitarmy...quite the added bonus

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 08:29 PM

stay safe, try not to get arrested unless you want to.
i'll be long gone, as will most of downtown, by the time the march heads south from Union Square
we're letting our employees, mostly Japanese Nationals on temporary assignment, out early with pay so they get home safe.

#172 Tabbooma

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 09:57 PM

Will let you know ;)

oh and i'm still waiting to hear back from kawak...anybody have his fb page or something?



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Posted 28 April 2012 - 12:34 AM

How is "Fuck the Police" considered hate speech?

Fuck has a lot of meanings, you know.

Fuck the Police could very well be considered a term of endearment, but it's all in how you look at things. If you're a combative person, you'll be viewing life through those combative eyes and seen conflict and confrontation in everything.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 12:38 AM

There's no doubt there hasn't been some out of control cops, especially out there.


so you're saying there is doubt that there's been out of control cops?

I'm having a hard time translating redneck lately.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 01:00 PM

Damn, 100k for picking up trash seems like a pretty good gig to me


Occupy Oakland to Shut Down Golden Gate Bridge for Union Fat Cats




"We have offered generous percentages of our meager increases to contribute, and that's not good enough," says ferry boat captain Enid Marcus, referring to collective bargaining between her 30-year employer—San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge, Highway & Transportation District—and the labor coalition that represents 375 public employees who staff the Bridge, Golden Gate Ferry, and Golden Gate Transit buses. Captain Marcus is upset about proposed changes to retirement and health care benefits that would require workers to absorb a greater share of the costs.

Mario Territo, an operating engineer with 32 years on the job, agrees that the District is being unfair. Noting that the Bay Area's most iconic landmark will observe its 75th anniversary on May 27, he gripes: "Nobody feels comfortable enough to volunteer or do anything to help … even though we love the Bridge."

The next negotiating session is slated for May 7, but the unions are threatening a walkout on May 1 to pressure the District into concessions. Although May Day is recognized as a labor holiday in many countries, in the USA it's business as usual. And at the Golden Gate Bridge, business as usual means 112,000 vehicles crossingeach day.

So when unions let it be known that they just might shut down the Bridge during a weekday morning commute, people in the Bay Area snap to attention.

And when Occupy Oakland jumps into this fray, the outcome becomes impossible to predict.

On its face, the Bay Area's most rambunctious protest group would seem to have no connection to the Golden Gate Bridge. It takes half an hour in light traffic just to drive from Oakland to the GGB, which connects San Francisco with Marin County to the north and is literally in the next county. Moreover, the GGB Labor Coalition is far from a natural ally for Occupy Oakland, which normally champions victims of income inequality.

Golden Gate Bridge workers, though—despite grousing about being asked to pay more for benefits that millions of Americans must go entirely without—are remarkably well compensated. Remember ferry boat captain Enid Marcus whining about "meager" increases? In 2010 (the most recent year for which data are available), her base salary was $76,206, supplemented by $5,534 overtime and other income, for Total Cash Pay (TCP) of $81,740; plus $26,261 employer contributions to medical, dental & vision plans; $5,460 employer contribution to pension; and $6,329 in miscellaneous benefits, for a Total Cost Of Employment (TCOE) of $120,910.

Operating engineer Mario Territo made out nearly as well, with TCP = $78,821 and TCOE = $117,642. Not bad for a guy who doesn't feel comfortable enough to volunteer or do anything to help celebrate the Bridge's 75th birthday.

Other bridge jobs also boast substantial compensation on average, likewise expressed as TCP and TCOE, for skills that are not exactly rocket science.
  • Toll Collector: $63,276 / $95,388
  • Streets & Grounds Laborer: $68,230 / $102,873
  • Security: $75,639 / $111,878
  • Mechanic: $77,899 / $117,039
  • Ironworker: $79,154 / $118,905
  • Painter: $82,434 / $124,278
  • Electrician: $96,182 / $140,885
Ditto transit workers.
  • Bus Mechanic: $77,541 / $115,722
  • Bus Operator: $79,116 / $118,495
  • Ferry Mechanic: $84,870 / $124,890
These numbers suggest that Occupy Oakland is drawn to the Golden Gate Bridge less by economic inequity than by the opportunity for spectacle. And not a moment too soon.
Recall that in October 2011, Occupy Oakland leapt onto the world stage thanks to a hellish showdown with riot police that left demonstrator and Iraq War veteran Scott Olsen with a fractured skull after being hit by a projectile fired at close range by a cop.

In November, following a massive Anti-Capitalist March, Black Bloc anarchists vandalized a storefront, smashed bank windows and ATM machines, seized a vacant building, manned makeshift barricades and built bonfires as police used teargas and flash bangs to restore order.

In January 2012, another pyrotechnical showdown with riot police ensued after hundreds of protestors tried to take over an unused convention center. A few hours later, 400 would-be occupiers were arrested after cops kettled them outside the YMCA. Black Bloc anarchists, meanwhile, broke into City Hall with a crowbar, trashed a children's exhibit, and stole an American flag, gleefully burning it on the doorstep of Oakland's 98-year-old center of government.

Since then, however, Occupy Oakland has suffered a prolonged dry spell in terms of spectacle. Indeed, ever-dwindling support has resulted in its twice-weekly General Assembly often failing to attract a quorum of 100 (in a city of 390,724 and in a politically progressive region of 7.15 million people). Worse yet, OO's weekly F*** The Police march, once a Saturday night fright fest, now draws a mere 25 timid stalwarts.

Occupy Oakland desperately needs something big to get back on its feet. And in the San Francisco Bay Area, there's nothing bigger than the Golden Gate Bridge. Even if it means being co-opted by fat cat trade unionists, shutting down the Bridge is, for Occupy Oakland, irresistible.


http://www.allvoices...-union-fat-cats

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 01:17 PM

LOL.. The cost of living in SF is extremely high, not sure what you make a year but Tabbooma's compensation is higher than those numbers, Tabbooma is not better than anyone of those folks, guess people picking up trash is below you, not for Tabbooma and Tabbooma is happy they are compensated with health care and a retirement and can afford a decent place to live.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 01:23 PM

Tabbooma would require almost a 10% increase in pay in order to maintain his same living if reloccated from Fairfield Area Ct to SF... SF is not a cheap place to live

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 03:13 PM

LOL.. The cost of living in SF is extremely high, not sure what you make a year but Tabbooma's compensation is higher than those numbers, Tabbooma is not better than anyone of those folks, guess people picking up trash is below you, not for Tabbooma and Tabbooma is happy they are compensated with health care and a retirement and can afford a decent place to live.

I don't make anything close to that and never did.

I certainly don't think I'm better than any of them and I don't see why would you think I would consider sanitation workers below me.

I can understand if you don't agree with me on things and I have no problem with that, as everybody is different. However you seem to be making a habit of accusing me of things with absolutely no evidence to back up the accusations. I'd like to ask you again to please refrain from doing so.

I'll gladly try to explain where I'm coming from and why I feel like I do. If there's anything you don't agree with and you believe I'm wrong then please go after that. But there's really no need to make shit up just to try and make me look bad (I can do that quite well all by myself ;) )

It's not cool.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 05:47 PM

Joker, the article you posted, not me, is blasting a whole line of "Fat Cat Trade Unionist" workers.. and then you mention the $100K for a sanitation worker sounds like a good gig... Why point out the garbage man and not one of the others workers... Tabbooma sees it as you looking at the lowest professional on that list and taking a shot at what they earn, i.e. the evil unions strike again... Come on man. If I insulted you Jack I appologize, that was not my intention, believe me, Tabbooma could do a lot better than that at insulting you ;)

I don't make anything close to that and never did. I certainly don't think I'm better than any of them and I don't see why would you think I would consider sanitation workers below me. I can understand if you don't agree with me on things and I have no problem with that, as everybody is different. However you seem to be making a habit of accusing me of things with absolutely no evidence to back up the accusations. I'd like to ask you again to please refrain from doing so. I'll gladly try to explain where I'm coming from and why I feel like I do. If there's anything you don't agree with and you believe I'm wrong then please go after that. But there's really no need to make shit up just to try and make me look bad (I can do that quite well all by myself ;) ) It's not cool.



#180 Joker

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:28 PM

I used that because that was the first one to break 100k pay. I certainly wouldn't judge the man by the money he makes or his "lowly" profession. Most of my friends are in those lowly public/civil service professions.

I just think the majority of people that are going to be negatively affected by the actions in support of these workers, don't make that kind of money themselves.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:42 PM

got it ;)

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:44 PM

Feel like talking about the age old debate of Bacon vs Sausage as a side with pancakes.. Tabbooma likes sausage :)

#183 Joker

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 01:49 PM

:lol:

I'm a sausage guy myself. In fact, I'm going to be cooking up some chourico and eggs shortly. Just came in to post this.

Looks like they've reconsidered their bridge action out in Cali. Hopefully they'll do the same in NYC



May Day protests won't include shutting down Golden Gate Bridge


OAKLAND -- Unions and labor supporters including Occupy Oakland are planning to take to the streets Tuesday with a series of May Day actions, but those plans won't include disrupting morning commuters on the Golden Gate Bridge, organizers said.


The protests are scheduled to last all day in Oakland with demonstrations beginning at 8:30 a.m. and culminating in a 3 p.m. march from the Fruitvale BART station to City Hall, where a 6 p.m. rally is scheduled.

Longshoremen also have called for a daytime work stoppage at the Port of Oakland on Tuesday, and about 4,500 nurses working without a contract are planning to walk off their jobs at eight Bay Area Sutter Health hospitals.

May Day is traditionally steeped in labor activism, and this year Occupy Oakland also has called for a general strike and scheduled numerous rallies in hopes of more closely allying its cause with organized labor and regaining some of its mass appeal.

"I think May 1st will kind of get people's attention and show that Occupy Oakland is not dead," Occupy member Mike King said. "Hopefully, we'll be able to articulate some of the work we've been doing in various communities to address inequality and effect positive social change."

Occupy Oakland no longer has plans to go ahead with what would have been its most provocative action -- Occupying the Golden Gate Bridge in solidarity with bridge unions that have been without a contract for nearly a year. The bridge unions had broached the idea of a May Day bridge action, Occupy members said, but on Saturday, the Golden Gate Bridge Labor Coalition issued a statement asking supporters to keep the bridge open during Tuesday's pickets.

Some Occupy members likely will travel by bus early Tuesday to support the picket lines but not to shut down the bridge, Occupy member Jaime Omar Yassin said.


"It's not our role to do things for unions instead of them," he said. "Our role is to help them do things once they decide to do them."

http://www.mercuryne...ing-down-golden

#184 Tabbooma

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 02:24 PM

:dinner1: Enjoy.. Sounds good :)

Hopefully the workers can get a fair contract, the painters, electricians, Ironworker have all kinds of risk keeping that bridge purdy... and yes, keeping areas roads open for all is important especially emergency service vehicles

:lol: I'm a sausage guy myself. In fact, I'm going to be cooking up some chourico and eggs shortly.



#185 PeaceFrog

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 04:45 PM

sounds like Joke wants to pull the union workers down to his level rather than raise himself up.

#186 PeaceFrog

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 04:50 PM

the stark difference between the 1% and unions is that the 1% depends upon keeping the 99% down in order to maintain their status.

Unions depend on the 99% for membership in order to maintain theirs.

Unions are inclusive, the 1% is exclusive.

Another way of putting it: the richest people among us would not be happy if everyone lived as well as they did. They need servants and laborers to take care of them. If we were all rich, they would have to work like the rest of us, and that scares the hell out of them.

Unions, on the other hand, want everyone to be paid fairly and welcome new members all the time.

#187 Feck

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:11 PM

Marcus Licinius Crassus' taste inclueds both Sausage and Bacon

#188 PeaceFrog

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 05:56 PM

it's a show of strength

the 1% needs us more than we need them when it really all boils down to it. The 1% knows this but the 99% is still figuring it out.

#189 Joker

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 06:10 PM

Marcus Licinius Crassus' taste inclueds both Sausage and Bacon

There is no wrong side in this debate :cheers:

#190 Feck

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:02 PM

taste is not the same as appetite, and therefore not a question of morals.

#191 vic

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:43 PM

well, i'm out for the day...on the bus at 6am and should be into the city by 8, which prolly means about 830-845

will give updates from the ground when possible

tabooma, i'm going to send you my number on PM to pass along to kawak for me...thanks :)

#192 Joker

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:57 PM

Stay safe (and peaceful) all :heart:

#193 Feck

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 12:52 PM

no noticable change in volume at the ferry this morning,
no noticable change in the amount of people heading to work or working in the deli or framers market today.

only change so far is the line of baricades for this afternoon / evenins march.
they were not even checking ID's to get onto Wall St.

Anybody uptown or other boro with a report ?

#194 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 01:06 PM

Soem rabble over here by port authority. Sign carriers calling for a general strike, A small march down the street with flags and signs, drum playing and chants.

Nice day to be outside.... :lol:

There were a bunch of sign holders standing outside my bulding looking in. Most of the signs I saw displayed were hard to read. Basically "general strike" enthusiasm.

#195 Feck

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 02:07 PM

cool, hopefully the rain stops by mid day like they said. i read a report from SF, some problems last night, but didn't sound like it was O/O approved

#196 In A Silent Way

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 02:34 PM

Here's the media aggregator for today's events.

http://mediaforthe99percent.com/

#197 Julius

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 07:57 PM

http://www.sfgate.co.../BAQF1OBH55.DTL

Some of my favorite local business were badly damaged and my car was one block away from being destroyed by these anarchist yahoos.

You know what? FUCK YOU AND YOUR STUPID FUCKING MAY DAY SHIT.

YES, I AM ANGRY.

#198 In A Silent Way

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 08:05 PM

April 30th is the new Mischief Night.

#199 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 08:06 PM

But but but......

“Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communist revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Working men of all countries, unite!”
Karl Marx

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 08:12 PM

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