But right now it's Dickey/Thole/prospect (told not elite) for d/Arnaud/Syndegaard/Buck/prospect (told not elite)
D’Arnaud has the tools to become a big league all-star if he can stay healthy. He’s a rare catcher with the potential to be an above-average hitter with plus power. He doesn’t walk much but makes consistent hard contact, getting hits even when his timing is off or he gets off balance. He has the bat speed and strength to hit plenty of homers and lets his power come naturally, employing a short stroke and all-fields approach
Syndergaard’s big frame gives him an imposing presence on the mound, and his fastball only adds to it. His heater ranges from 92-98 mph with excellent downward angle and armside run. His curveball has gained velocity since he signed and now sits in the mid-70s with downward action. It’s inconsistent and eventually may develop into a slider, but it gets outs and features good spin. He maintains his arm speed well on his mid-80s changeup. He has very good body control for his size, which leads to quality command and control.
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#4204
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 02:50 AM
I don't. I think we're getting a pile of shit for a Cy Young award winning pitcher.
The Mets are getting a catcher with 30 homerun power for the next 6 years for a 37 year old pitcher. The Mets aren't going to be contenders for the next 2 years, so why not trade for a possible Jason Varitek/Posada type and a live arm for Dickey?
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 03:00 PM
Because who they're getting COULD be that kinda catcher...he can also turn into being someone constantly injured who'll never make it out of the minors. Tools to be a big league all star IF he can remain healthy. I'm sure you can think of several prospects who turned into great big nothings because they couldn't stay healthy.
Bottom line though?? Pretty much the ONLY reason fans had a reason to go to Citifield last year after the All Star break was to watch Dickey pitch. You want your team to profitable, you have to give fans a reason to want to go to the park. With Dickey traded off, there's not much a reason left right now.
Bottom line though?? Pretty much the ONLY reason fans had a reason to go to Citifield last year after the All Star break was to watch Dickey pitch. You want your team to profitable, you have to give fans a reason to want to go to the park. With Dickey traded off, there's not much a reason left right now.
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 03:28 PM
Because who they're getting COULD be that kinda catcher...he can also turn into being someone constantly injured who'll never make it out of the minors. Tools to be a big league all star IF he can remain healthy. I'm sure you can think of several prospects who turned into great big nothings because they couldn't stay healthy.
Bottom line though?? Pretty much the ONLY reason fans had a reason to go to Citifield last year after the All Star break was to watch Dickey pitch. You want your team to profitable, you have to give fans a reason to want to go to the park. With Dickey traded off, there's not much a reason left right now.
To be profitable you need to win. Period.
I now have HOPE for the future. I am not worried about going to games to see whomever, I just like that I see a PLAN in the works. Not just money being thrown around like it has been for decades and no winning.
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 03:58 PM
Bottom line though?? Pretty much the ONLY reason fans had a reason to go to Citifield last year after the All Star break was to watch Dickey pitch. You want your team to profitable, you have to give fans a reason to want to go to the park. With Dickey traded off, there's not much a reason left right now.
There's a diminished marquis value right now without Dickey. If the team starts playing small ball really well, or d'Arnaud comes up and starts hitting home runs, and Davis continues to launch balls into the Pepsi Porch, the marquis value will rise.
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:45 PM
It's official. Mets acquire C Travis d’Arnaud, C John Buck, RHP Noah Syndergaard & OF Wuilmer Becerra from Blue Jays for R.A. Dickey, Josh Thole & Mike Nickeas. I was hoping they'd throw Nickeas into the deal.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 02:57 AM
2015 anyone?
From Kieth Law: I edited out all the awesome stuff about Dickey but we all know that already. What we got in return in more important.
From Kieth Law: I edited out all the awesome stuff about Dickey but we all know that already. What we got in return in more important.
For just one year of Dickey's services, the Mets get a ridiculously large haul. Travis d'Arnaudhas been among the top catching prospects in the game for two years, and, if he can stay healthy, will give the Mets a centerpiece position player who fills a critical spot on the field while producing enough to be among the top 3-4 catchers in the league, if not better.
That caveat about health is particularly relevant to d'Arnaud, who has already missed time as a pro with back and knee problems, as well as acute injuries like a broken finger, leaving him with an average of just 88 games played over his five full seasons in pro ball, and never more than 126 in a single year. Catchers are more susceptible to injury because of the nature of their job, and if d'Arnaud is injury-prone to begin with, he might have a hard time developing or playing enough to reach his potential.
The Mets also get a wild-card pitching prospect in Noah Syndergaard, a big kid who looks the part of a starter but doesn't have the repertoire to be more than a back-end guy yet. Syndergaard has touched 100 mph as a starter, and will comfortably work from 92-97, flashing an average to above-average changeup and showing a very smooth, easy arm stroke that he can repeat without much difficulty. The Jays have worked with him for two-plus years to develop an average breaking ball, but he has yet to find one; you could grade his curveball as potentially above-average, and he has the high slot for it, but if he doesn't have that laxity in his wrist there's a good chance the pitch never gets there. He's a solid acquisition for the Mets because of his size, delivery, and easy velocity, but he's also very high-beta and could end up a back-end guy or even a reliever if that third pitch doesn't make some major strides.
The third prospect turns out to be significant, which is counter to early rumors that he was a throw-in. Wuilmer Becerra got $1.4 million from Toronto out of Venezuela in 2011, and he's had just 39 pro at-bats, with his 2012 season shortened by a broken jaw after being hit in the face by a pitch. He has a sweet-looking right-handed swing with strong hands, keeping his head steady with great hip rotation and loft for future power as his body matures. He should have the arm for right field, although I'd like to see the Mets work out this slight hesitation he has before release. There's no way a player like Becerra, who will be lucky to see the majors before 2016, could stand in the way of the Jays making this trade, but his inclusion makes the return all the better for the Mets.
The Jays did get a backup catcher back in the deal in Josh Thole and rid themselves of John Buck, a small net gain because Thole, who has decent plate discipline but not much else, is cheap, with four years of team control remaining. Overall, however, this deal is three prospects for a year of R.A. Dickey, followed by a cheap two-year-plus option extension. For the Mets, it's an absolute no-brainer, a move that carries some risk but that would have made sense for them if they were only receiving d'Arnaud for Dickey. For the Jays, it makes sense given its context, with a weaker division and a chance to grab mindshare that can be converted into loonies before the year is out. It's also the kind of deal that could haunt the Jays in 2016 if d'Arnaud is in the All-Star Game and Berrera is high at the top of my prospect rankings, but that will sting less if Dickey brings them to the playoffs before he's through.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 10:40 AM
Bottom line though?? Pretty much the ONLY reason fans had a reason to go to Citifield last year after the All Star break was to watch Dickey pitch. You want your team to profitable, you have to give fans a reason to want to go to the park. With Dickey traded off, there's not much a reason left right now.
You're right, Matt. I think it's ironic that theyre trading the one reason that got the fans to the park and theyre signing someone long term who is supposed to get people in the park, but never really did.
But, they guy is 37. The Mets arent going to contend before Dickey reaches 40. So if you can get an elite prospect, not too mention a couple other decent ones for him, I think you have to do it. I think it's shortsighted not to. The Mets built a nice group of young pitchers who will help them contend in the next few years. Now they have a chance to start building an offense around them, you got to take it. Those few great days when he pitches at Citifield are not enough to pass on this opportunity.
Enjoy watching the young, quality pitchers develop this season.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:45 PM
Scott Boras is currently trying to push Michael Bourn and the Mets together. However the Mets would have to give up their first rounder the 11th pick (unless they successfully petitioned the league to take their 2nd rounder instead)
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:49 PM
Scott Boras is currently trying to push Michael Bourn and the Mets together. However the Mets would have to give up their first rounder the 11th pick (unless they successfully petitioned the league to take their 2nd rounder instead)
This is because the Pirates have 2 top ten picks, because they did not sign their 1st rounder last year, they would have had the 10th pick which is protected.
I do not want them to spend any money on this guy, wait until there is a real GOOD player available.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:55 PM
SO! A-Rod once again linked to PED's.
Anyone else no longer really upset that Steve Phillips had A-Rod's "demands" printed in the paper back when The Mets were courting him??
I was not upset when we did not sign him then.
I was more upset at the Mo Vaughn or Benard Gilkey signings. Or the Alomar trade.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:12 PM
OK, it's almost time to pay attention to Los Mets again, for me.
Are we still looking at 2014 before we field a contendah?
2015 has been my prediction all along.
Although, I must admit, spring is eternally optomistic.
I am getting excited for baseball already. 60 ish days to opening day.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:27 PM
Just gotta get through that boring stretch between the Super Bowl and the start of Spring Training games.
First game of the spring:
February 23 vs. Washington
20 days after the super bowl.
Pitchers and Catchers report:
February 11
8 days after the Super bowl and 13 days in total.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:55 AM
First game of the spring:February 23 vs. Washington
20 days after the super bowl.
Pitchers and Catchers report:
February 11
8 days after the Super bowl and 13 days in total.
Sweet.
I hope we can go to Pt. St. Lucie again one of these years. We went 2 years ago & it was a great time. Caught some games, got the "backstage" tour & met a bunch of players. So awesome. 
Best part was Jose Reyes running off the field and almost crashing into Chris.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 07:25 PM
Fred Wilpon: Mets' money woes over
PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. -- New York Mets principal owner Fred Wilpon said his family is free and clear of past financial woes and that general manager Sandy Alderson has the financial flexibility to make major free-agent signings in upcoming offseasons.
Wilpon, 76, favorably settled a lawsuit brought by the trustee trying to recover funds for victims of Bernard Madoff's Ponzi scheme.
He added that the family's improved financial complexion also is the result of the rebound of real estate, his primary business, as well as stock-market gains and SportsNet New York, the television network in which the family owns a majority stake, thriving.
"It's all in the rear-view mirror," Wilpon said about past financial woes Wednesday, after arriving at the team's spring-training complex. "... The family is in great shape. The family really is in great shape. Sometimes luck is the residue of design."
Wilpon originally faced a $1 billion lawsuit regarding the Madoff scheme, but the settlement will result in the family ultimately having to pay no more than $60 million.
Wilpon said the payroll, slashed in recent seasons under Alderson, could return to past levels if it is prudent. The payroll went from a high of $148 million late in Omar Minaya's tenure as general manager to roughly $95 million last year.
Wilpon pointed to bank debt as a primary reason for an un-New York-like payroll in recent years. The Mets have produced four straight losing seasons and have not reached the postseason since 2006.
"It wasn't, as people have written, the reason," Wilpon said about the Madoff issue and payroll slashing. "It was a balance there, because we had to make sure the banks got paid off all of the debt. There's no one in my family -- there's the Katz family, the Wilpon family, kids -- [that now] has any personal bank debt. Zero. Everything has been paid. We don't owe a dollar to anybody. We have mortgages on buildings and stuff like that, but we don't owe a dollar.
"That's what made us tight. We were still getting revenues. Lots of revenues. But those revenues were going to pay off debt. That's done."
The Mets did pursue free-agent Michael Bourn until this week's agreement with the Cleveland Indians, so some of the recent financial constraints have resulted from the conservative bidding by Alderson as opposed to an ownership mandate.
Will the team be aggressive bidding next offseason?
"I think we would anticipate being big investors if that were appropriate," Wilpon said. "That depends on what the market is. If the market is such that that's where we have to be to be competitive and winners, yeah.
"This is, to me, a break-even business. I always strive to break even. I'm not looking to make any money. I strive to break even. So if [fans] don't show up, that's hard. So you have to balance it. We fed it pretty good the last five or six years. I think if the market was such, yes, the payroll could go up, but not to just have payroll go up so you can write headlines -- if that, in fact, improves the team.
"I don't know what the market will be at that point. But the payroll will be commensurate with anything we've ever done because we can do it. Remember, the people have to come to the ballpark obviously. If you have a competitive team, they will. Everything that was in the past, that you guys saw the pain that we went through, is gone. It's gone."
On other topics:
• Wilpon said his expectations for the 2013 Mets do not match outside pessimism.
"This team looks like basically a young team with some veterans, and hungry," Wilpon said. "I think Sandy and the staff did a terrific job of getting some real good prospects for the bullpen. ... I'm hopeful and optimistic. The hunger is throughout. And I think we have really good arms. You look at our pitching staff and, on paper, you've got to say they really have a good chance of producing W's. Any of the teams that have surprised people, whether it's Oakland last year -- just go through the last 10 years -- it's pitching that brings it up to that level. So I'm very encouraged about that."
• The Mets do not plan to discuss extending manager Terry Collins' contract until the end of the season, when it is due to expire.
"He's done an excellent job in all respects," Wilpon said. "He handles the public-relations side very well. He's honest. You guys believe him. ... I think he knows talent. We will evaluate Terry at the end of the year, not only from where the club lands, but what his overall job was."
• David Wright would be a Met for life. Wright signed an eight-year, $138 million extension in December.
"David is a unique player. He's an All-Star," Wilpon said. "I think David is an All-Star in all things. He's a great person. To me, he's our [Derek] Jeter. And I think you need a core. I don't want to put it all on his shoulders. But he gets it. As far as I was concerned, he was not going anywhere."
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:09 PM
he still gets no money from me.... take some debt and invest it in the club, shithead. fuck the Wilpons.
I have not been to a Mets game since Curtis Martin was a Jet. Remember him playing and getting hurt during the 4pm game on my ride home from this game.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:28 PM
Oh have they? I stopped reading the articles / notes every morning sometime in mid august.
FAIL!!
Please turn in your Mets fan card before leaving the thread.
PS. I will not turn in my fan card.
Why?
because I get all my info off of twitter by following Met beat reporters who give me the info now, and not tomorrow morning.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:46 PM
The Mets' Outfield Could Be the Worst Unit in Professional Sports, and Maybe All of Life
And I am the negative one? I am going to try and be more positive this year.
A year later, and they are actually rebuilding, even though they will not say that publically. Action speak louder than words. I am excited to see a team of youngsters, and see who can possibly be here next year and beyond as solutions.
I still think we are two years away from competeing for a World Series, but I think we could win 80+ game this year, and if we only win 60, that is ok, better talent can be drafted at the top of the draft.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 06:23 PM
Lighten up, Francis. That column came up on Twitter and I couldn't resist posting it.
I just been painted as the anti-Met fan, with all my negativity last season. So I was just trying to deflect it from me.
I do not blame you, I would have too. I was going to post the story about Murph being sent back to NY, but I am trying to stay positive.
