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#1 PhilliesPhan

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:28 PM

http://www.reuters.c...E82F0VP20120316

:clapping: Justice


(Reuters) - A jury convicted Dharun Ravi of hate crimes on Friday for using a computer webcam to view his Rutgers University roommate's gay tryst in a case that became a cautionary tale about bullying and the misuse of social media.

Ravi, 20, faces 10 years in prison on the most serious charge of bias intimidation against Tyler Clementi, 18, who committed suicide by jumping off the George Washington Bridge three days after learning his gay encounter was seen by webcam. Ravi, who invited others to watch the feed from the camera mounted on top of his computer, was not charged with causing Clementi's death.

Ravi, an Indian citizen who has lived most of his life in the United States, will be sentenced on May 21 and remains free on $25,000 bail after surrendering his passport. He faces possible deportation.

Some legal experts said the case elevated the abuse of social media from a common prank, as Ravi's lawyer argued, to criminal behavior.

"It's very important that the jury returned a guilty verdict on the bias crime. It sends a message and it has a deterrent effect on what kids do. It's really important to say, we're not tolerating this," said Susan Abraham, a professor at New York Law School.

Others called the verdict overreaching.

"It illustrates the dysfunction of hate crime laws that were passed with the idea that they would strike out against hate groups and neo-Nazi groups, and instead end up being used in these one-off kind of cases, where immature confused young people act in some way that evidences prejudice," said James Jacobs, a professor at New York University School of Law.

After 12 hours of deliberations over three days, the jury convicted Ravi on all 15 counts, including two counts of bias intimidation based on sexual orientation, which is a hate crime, invasion of privacy and tampering with evidence and witnesses.

Ravi covered his mouth with his hand and his eyes widened as the verdict was read in a courtroom in Middlesex County, New Jersey.

Juror Bruno Ferreira said it was "very difficult" to reach the guilty verdicts on the hate crime counts, which were tied to Ravi's efforts to twice use a webcam to spy on his roommate's dorm room encounter with a 30-year-old man, identified only as M.B. and also considered a victim.

"Thinking about it not being done once, being done twice, not just on one day," was what convinced the seven-woman, five-man panel, Ferreira said.

Prosecutor Julia McClure said she will consult the Clementi family and M.B. to determine what sentence she will ask Judge Glenn Berman to impose.

Victim statements are among the most important factors the judge will consider, legal experts say.

"I wouldn't be surprised if the judge gave him a sentence of a year in jail, or six months or something like that. Now the symbolic point is made," Jacobs said.

Clementi's family in March 2011, before a grand jury indictment elevated the incident to a hate crime, released a statement saying Ravi should not receive "harsh punishment."

After the verdict, Tyler's father Joe Clementi, at a press conference with his wife and son James, who is gay, said, "The trial was painful for us, as it would be for any parent who must sit through and listen to people talk about bad things that were done to their child."

Clementi's death on September 22, 2010, came amid a spate of gay teen suicides nationwide, triggering President Obama to condemn bullying, speeding passage of New Jersey's anti-bullying law and prompting Rutgers to offer "gender-neutral housing," which gives students more options when it comes to choosing a roommate.

In convicting Ravi of the hate crimes, the jury agreed Clementi reasonably believed Ravi was trying to intimidate him because he was gay but was split on whether Ravi knowingly or willfully targeted Clementi because of his sexual orientation.

Going to trial was a gamble for Ravi, who turned down the prosecutor's offer of a plea deal recommending probation, community service and the promise to help him avoid deportation.

A deportation decision will be made by a U.S. immigration judge after Ravi completes his criminal sentence. Ravi was convicted for using the webcam to watch Clementi's date with M.B. on September 19, 2010, and attempting to do the same when M.B. returned to the room on September 21, 2010, although he was thwarted when Clementi unplugged the computer.

He was found guilty of encouraging others to watch by accessing the webcam from their own computers, by talking to them in person, sending Internet instant messages and posting notes on his Twitter page including "Roommate asked for room til midnight. Went into Molly's room and turned on my webcam. I saw him making out with a dude. Yay."

#2 Spidergawd

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:58 PM

:clapping:

#3 gregoir

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:00 PM

Good enjoy your ass pounding you little prick

#4 B. Diddy

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:19 PM

I dunno how I feel about this one. Does the punishment fit the crime? If the kid hadn't killed himself, would this other kid have gotten 10 years?

We've all been young and stupid. This feels like a prank to me, not a hate crime.

#5 Julius

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:24 PM

I'm with you Diddyman. . . sounds like a youthful prank that went ugly and an ambitious DA needing a successful prosecution.

The guy is an idiot but is absolutely NOT culpable for the death unless there's some hateful motive they haven't told us about.

I'm not big on hanging young kids for stupid mistakes.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:27 PM

Once is being immature. Twice is lack of coping skills and desire to humiliate/out/deliberate, nonconsensual voyeurism. Hate crime aside, nonconsensual filming/streaming of consenting adults engaging in intimate adult sexual behavior in what they thought was privacy is some pretty fucked up shit. To do it, then to do it again? Neither time was right. If it's not voyeurism if the viewer isn't turned on, then I take that part back. The lack of consent is my point.

People really need to learn how to respect each others privacy and discuss their feelings if someone is doing something in their room that makes them feel uncomfortable. Like ask the RA how to handle it, don't fucking tweet and stream it. Coping skills in interpersonal social settings should be as mandatory as health class, and taught at least every couple of years, on age-appropriate levels.

#7 PhilliesPhan

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:30 PM

I dunno how I feel about this one. Does the punishment fit the crime? If the kid hadn't killed himself, would this other kid have gotten 10 years?

We've all been young and stupid. This feels like a prank to me, not a hate crime.


In my humble opinion...it sounds like more than a prank. He aired live video of the guy having sex with another person on Facebook two days in a row and posted a status updating saying "eww". If he was so grossed out by it then why did he watch it? Why did he film it? Why did he take the time to post on Facebook about it? Hardly a youthful prank here.

And he didn't get any time yet and at most you could him to serve 6 months to a year if any jail time at all.

#8 sarah b.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:32 PM

I'm not big on hanging young kids for stupid mistakes.


Did they ever catch the guys from the Matthew (sp?) Shepard (sp?) case? Those guys, I'd happily see go far, far away.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:33 PM

i guess he should have taken the plea bargain.

i think there is a bigger difference between a prank and a crime. a prank is harmless .. this was anything but that. If he had videotaped a female roommate with a man and invited other people to view it, it would have still been crime .. is it a hate crime? not sure, maybe. but it was indeed something he did to shame and humiliate his roommate for his own enjoyment .. that's definitely bullying, and it would have been no different if the victims had been a male and female. He was just above showing any respect for other people's lives .. he would have been a great business man :rolleyes: .. no class, no morals and no respect for others. it feels like hate to me.

#10 gregoir

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 04:55 AM

I dunno how I feel about this one. Does the punishment fit the crime? If the kid hadn't killed himself, would this other kid have gotten 10 years?

We've all been young and stupid. This feels like a prank to me, not a hate crime.


Would he have done it if his room mate was sleeping with a girl. Most likely not he intended to embarrass him due to his homosexuality. Is it a hate crime? maybe not, but our actions cause people to react and his actions caused someone's death. He is also a complete dumbass for not taking the plea deal that was offered to him.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:04 AM

Did they ever catch the guys from the Matthew (sp?) Shepard (sp?) case? Those guys, I'd happily see go far, far away.


Yes they did. If you have not seen the movie The Laramie Project I highly suggest it. It is one of the most amazing films about homosexuality, personal differences, and the aftermath of great tragedy. The speech Mr. Shepard makes in court to Matthew's killers is one of the most harrowing speeches ever made.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:21 AM

http://www.reuters.c...E82F0VP20120316


Going to trial was a gamble for Ravi, who turned down the prosecutor's offer of a plea deal recommending probation, community service and the promise to help him avoid deportation.

A deportation decision will be made by a U.S. immigration judge after Ravi completes his criminal sentence.
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Somehow I overlooked that bit. I can't believe he didn't take the plea deal :shocked:

#13 gregoir

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:28 AM

yeah normally I would shrug this stuff off. But the summer the assholes at Camp threatened to break my fucking neck for being a fag, i reacted by partying, losing my shit, driving a car through a lot of shit and being arrested. Sure they were just young kids making fun of the gay kid camped next to them, that they somehow discovered by over hearing conversation. What is the harm in harassing him for a bit of amusement.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:40 AM

yeah normally I would shrug this stuff off. But the summer the assholes at Camp threatened to break my fucking neck for being a fag, i reacted by partying, losing my shit, driving a car through a lot of shit and being arrested. Sure they were just young kids making fun of the gay kid camped next to them, that they somehow discovered by over hearing conversation. What is the harm in harassing him for a bit of amusement.


That's fucking ridiculous :cry1: It's one thing to not agree with a lifestyle, but to threaten violence is really fucked up situation. I can only imagine how much of a buzz kill that can be in the middle of a festival after you're already camped and set up and then to lose your sense of security.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:41 AM

Was this at Summer Camp or Bisco?