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My thread got moved to Politics...
Obama: Where's the Change?
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YogaMermaid
, Nov 23 2009 07:05 PM
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Posted 23 November 2009 - 08:51 PM
sounds like this should be moved, or is it just when we discuss someone eles' country or relig.
i bet if Jack was here, this would have been moved twice already
http://gatheringofth...ead.php?t=26854
My thread got moved to Politics...
the double standard even amazes me sometimes
And I don't want to hear anything about it being moved since y'all are asking for it.
Edited by SunshineDrummer, 23 November 2009 - 09:08 PM.
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Posted 26 November 2009 - 02:25 PM
from http://www.whitehous.../foreign-policy
On February 27, 2009, President Obama announced a plan to responsibly end the war in Iraq.
By August 31, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end and Iraqi Security Forces will have full responsibility for major combat missions. After August 31, 2010, the mission of United States forces in Iraq will fundamentally change. Our forces will have three tasks: train, equip, and advise the Iraqi Security Forces; conduct targeted counterterrorism operations; and provide force protection for military and civilian personnel. The President intends to keep our commitment under the Status of Forces Agreement to remove all of our troops from Iraq by the end of 2011.
What more do you expect from him? Do you really think it would be prudent to just "cut and run?"
Furthermore, do you think John McCain would have ended it quicker (lol)?
This is one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situations. The President deserves a LOT of slack here. He did not start the war, nor did he murder the stabilizing force in the country.
The big change here is his intent. He does NOT intend to occupy Iraq for hundreds of years, as intended by the major opposition.
On February 27, 2009, President Obama announced a plan to responsibly end the war in Iraq.
By August 31, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end and Iraqi Security Forces will have full responsibility for major combat missions. After August 31, 2010, the mission of United States forces in Iraq will fundamentally change. Our forces will have three tasks: train, equip, and advise the Iraqi Security Forces; conduct targeted counterterrorism operations; and provide force protection for military and civilian personnel. The President intends to keep our commitment under the Status of Forces Agreement to remove all of our troops from Iraq by the end of 2011.
What more do you expect from him? Do you really think it would be prudent to just "cut and run?"
Furthermore, do you think John McCain would have ended it quicker (lol)?
This is one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situations. The President deserves a LOT of slack here. He did not start the war, nor did he murder the stabilizing force in the country.
The big change here is his intent. He does NOT intend to occupy Iraq for hundreds of years, as intended by the major opposition.
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Posted 01 December 2009 - 05:11 PM
Ah, the old smoke and mirror trick works again. Keep them guessiing and squabbling over nonsense, while the real agenda remains in the hands of that 1% that own the 89%.
The only change we can all expect here is 1) this thread moving to P&R 2) the crumbling of this nation as a super power.
History shows, all great empires collapse. We are cyclical beings that repeat the same shit over and over..all the while wondering why.
A governement big enough to give you everything you need, is strong enough to take everything you own.....
The only change we can all expect here is 1) this thread moving to P&R 2) the crumbling of this nation as a super power.
History shows, all great empires collapse. We are cyclical beings that repeat the same shit over and over..all the while wondering why.
A governement big enough to give you everything you need, is strong enough to take everything you own.....
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Posted 01 December 2009 - 09:51 PM
So now you think we should stay the course? I guess that is one solid change from Obama, he has converted the left from being antiwar into rationalizing the military industrial complex.
who said anything about "stay the course?"
His plan is still the same as before... gradual withdrawal over the course of a few years. I agree that this is the best option we have.
I think that maybe your perception of him being "anti-war" before the election and "pro-war" currently is wrong.
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Posted 01 December 2009 - 11:52 PM
Meanwhile it's crickets here: http://www.gathering...ead.php?t=19472 He just moved the war, the Defense Industry gets to eat their cake and eat it too, and those pesky antiwar people went on home because Afghanistan is a just and noble war, not like that evil war in Iraq. My Stay the Course comment was in response to your Bush like reasoning of "Cut and Run" because I remember when such propaganda was ridiculed prior to Obama, but now it's magically kosher again.
I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. I've always been antiwar, and having the good cop as president isn't going to make me complacent. Hell I even heard Neil Young waxing poetic about how great the war is in Afghanistan, so I understand my position is pretty unpopular.
I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. I've always been antiwar, and having the good cop as president isn't going to make me complacent. Hell I even heard Neil Young waxing poetic about how great the war is in Afghanistan, so I understand my position is pretty unpopular.
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Posted 02 December 2009 - 01:36 AM
I don't think any war is great or noble, but what was started in Afghanistan was for a reason... the one in Iraq was just plain foolishness. (Although, I do clearly see the point that ALL war is foolishness... but I have accepted the fact that I must choose a more moderate personality to represent the interests which are most important to me, namely, my work situation. The Obama administration is pro-union, which is in stark contrast to the shitting on my industry - union construction - has taken over the past 30 years.)
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Posted 15 December 2009 - 09:18 PM
I'm pretty glad he hasn't gotten around to the change he promised. I hope he never does!
I have to agree with you on that point. The changes that are being made and to projected changes aren't going to help us out in the long run. All he is pushing for is to force us to spend more money out of our pockets, a socialist society, and most of all, he racking up a higher deficit. I mean really how does bringing us more in debt help us to come out of debt. lastly the way the money has been spent hasn't helped the people of this country.
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Posted 15 December 2009 - 09:40 PM
money out of your pocket?
are you telling me that you're paying more in taxes now?
I actually get more money in my paycheck.
If you're getting taxed more than you did before Obama, then you must be taking down over a quarter of a million a year, and I don't feel sorry for you.
are you telling me that you're paying more in taxes now?
I actually get more money in my paycheck.
If you're getting taxed more than you did before Obama, then you must be taking down over a quarter of a million a year, and I don't feel sorry for you.
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Posted 16 December 2009 - 01:23 PM
money out of your pocket?
are you telling me that you're paying more in taxes now?
Actually yes I am, moving to VA has shown to be a higher tax state then most others I've lived in and this is making a 5 digit income.
Also I never stated more money has been taken out of my pocket. But it is proven in the propsals given that it will cost the American tax payers more money out of pocket with the health care plan and other changes that are aligned.
