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#1 YogaMermaid

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:05 PM

Okay....I know some people will jump my throat for this thread...but I am interested in having an adult conversation here...(Not one of those your favorite band sucks heated dilemmas)....

Bill Maher was crystal clear to the point in one of his last shows...how saturated he is with seeing Obama parade around slutting himself out to the papparazi. Who cares where he eats his burgers? Who cares what designer dresses his wife? Who cares about where he got his dog from? Who cares about his stay in Marthas Vineyard?

Do something for this fucking country, and then I'll bow down to you.
I voted for you...and from my perspective...you have been waltzing around this country for the past year...instead of providing us with the CHANGE you preached about.

I understand it takes years and years of work to unravel and fix the mishaps that our previous mentally retarded president left us in...but do your fucking job, and stop acting like you're some superstar.

#2 Shake Yer Bones

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:13 PM

I'm pretty glad he hasn't gotten around to the change he promised. I hope he never does! :lol:

#3 Uffs79

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:15 PM

Okay....I know some people will jump my throat for this thread...but I am interested in having an adult conversation here...(Not one of those your favorite band sucks heated dilemmas)....

Bill Maher was crystal clear to the point in one of his last shows...how saturated he is with seeing Obama parade around slutting himself out to the papparazi. Who cares where he eats his burgers? Who cares what designer dresses his wife? Who cares about where he got his dog from? Who cares about his stay in Marthas Vineyard?

Do something for this fucking country, and then I'll bow down to you.
I voted for you...and from my perspective...you have been waltzing around this country for the past year...instead of providing us with the CHANGE you preached about.

I understand it takes years and years of work to unravel and fix the mishaps that our previous mentally retarded president left us in...but do your fucking job, and stop acting like you're some superstar.


If he can get his Healthcare reform, that would be real change.. Huge change.. He's been in office for less than a year, you can't expect all that much.. I do see more transparency in his office compared to other administrations.. I'm also happy with the change from having a president who sounded like a complete moron when he spoke..

#4 little frog

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:16 PM

this doesn't read like an 'adult conversation', imho

#5 elder

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:16 PM

What? He's changed plenty.

By paying off Wall Street and the Banks and all his other contributors, he's put more and more generations deeper and deeper into debt.

You want change? How about the INCREASE in the loss of jobs? But hey, interest rates are low. Woo Hoo, We've got change :dance:


...sorry about the sarcasm, but yeah I agree with you, now with this health care handout I think the only change we're going to keep seeing is for the worse.

#6 YogaMermaid

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:16 PM

I'm also happy with the change from having a president who sounded like a complete moron when he spoke..



I completely agree.

#7 YogaMermaid

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:17 PM

this doesn't read like an 'adult conversation', imho


how so little frog?
what I meant is...having an adult conversation about politics without the drama....which is close to never on the boards here.

#8 Raynequeen

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:18 PM

Who cares where he eats his burgers? Who cares what designer dresses his wife? Who cares about where he got his dog from? Who cares about his stay in Marthas Vineyard?


the media does, therefore, we do.

:plain:

#9 Feck

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:19 PM

sounds like this should be moved, or is it just when we discuss someone eles' country or relig.

#10 unbroken_chain

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:19 PM

well, I don't follow politics much, but I do feel like I'm being bullshitted, a lot less....

beyond that, I have no idea what the fuck is going on :lol:

#11 Panda

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:19 PM

...but I am interested in having an adult conversation here...


good luck with that

#12 GoPlastic

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:19 PM

I understand it takes years and years of work to unravel and fix the mishaps that our previous mentally retarded president left us in...but do your fucking job, and stop acting like you're some superstar.


he is doing his job. as you said, it takes years of work and the rest of the federal gov't working in tandem with him. and the current Man of the Year/Nobel Peace Prize winner is going to be a superstar. he can't help that. don't blame him for it.

if we reach the halfway point of his term and see little significant change, then it's time to start asking hard questions about whether or not he deserves re-election. but give him his first full year in office (and another one just for good measure) before you ride him out of town on a rail, ok?

like it or not, unless he fucks up royally or you renounce your citizenship, he's your president until January 20th, 2013.

#13 Gypsy Bob

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:19 PM

I think he's made substantial inroads considering how he underestimated Washington's entrenched special interests.
Remember it took 8+ years to legislate the climate that resulted in this Depcession.
In his first month in office a major depression was avoided...

#14 YogaMermaid

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:20 PM

like it or not, unless he fucks up royally or you renounce your citizenship, he's your president until January 20th, 2013.



I have dual citizenship. :wink:

#15 Feck

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:21 PM

maybe we need to use the "I" word

#16 Mama Kel

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:22 PM

What? He's changed plenty.

By paying off Wall Street and the Banks and all his other contributors, he's put more and more generations deeper and deeper into debt.

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UH Bush did that - that money came from his time in the administration.:rolleyes:

#17 unbroken_chain

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:22 PM

and can we perhaps acknowledge he did kinda take over an office that was left in a bit of disarray... ...

#18 Karen

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:23 PM

Okay....I know some people will jump my throat for this thread...but I am interested in having an adult conversation here...(Not one of those your favorite band sucks heated dilemmas)....

Bill Maher was crystal clear to the point in one of his last shows...how saturated he is with seeing Obama parade around slutting himself out to the papparazi. Who cares where he eats his burgers? Who cares what designer dresses his wife? Who cares about where he got his dog from? Who cares about his stay in Marthas Vineyard?

Do something for this fucking country, and then I'll bow down to you.
I voted for you...and from my perspective...you have been waltzing around this country for the past year...instead of providing us with the CHANGE you preached about.

I understand it takes years and years of work to unravel and fix the mishaps that our previous mentally retarded president left us in...but do your fucking job, and stop acting like you're some superstar.



I respectfully disagree.

#19 elder

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:25 PM

UH Bush did that - that money came from his time in the administration.:rolleyes:


Bush, then Obama. Point it is, the only change has been we've upgraded our public image.

#20 Gypsy Bob

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:26 PM

What? He's changed plenty.

By paying off Wall Street and the Banks and all his other contributors, he's put more and more generations deeper and deeper into debt.

You want change? How about the INCREASE in the loss of jobs? But hey, interest rates are low. Woo Hoo, We've got change :dance:


...sorry about the sarcasm, but yeah I agree with you, now with this health care handout I think the only change we're going to keep seeing is for the worse.

When he first took office he said we would see unemployment increase for a year or more...change requires a foundation and considering much of what was in place needs to be torn down first the delay is a nirvana for the impatient and the naysayers.

#21 GoPlastic

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:26 PM

I have dual citizenship. :wink:


:lol: doesn't change the fact that he's still your president. just outta curiosity, what other flag do you fly?

#22 little frog

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:26 PM

well, maybe you shouldn't begin with inflammatory remarks if you want real input.

i'm sorry for anyone who voted for Obama expecting miracles out of the shambles we were in when he was sworn in. we do indeed need to do things differently than the good old boy way if we want everyone to have equal representation by our govt.

we have to begin somewhere and we have begun, unfortunately the good old boys will attempt to stop anyone from taking away their personal prosperity. like the payoffs from lobbists .. like life long senators embedded in the pockets of those lobbists, not to mention corruption and special interest groups.

real change comes when the govt is for the ppl, ours has not been about that for a long time. and that change is hitting a lot of resistance at the moment.

#23 JBetty

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:27 PM

and can we perhaps acknowledge he did kinda take over an office that was left in a bit of disarray... ...



:lmao:

#24 GoPlastic

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:27 PM

Bush, then Obama. Point it is, the only change has been we've upgraded our public image.


great success!

#25 Phishfolk

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:30 PM

and can we perhaps acknowledge he did kinda take over an office that was left in a bit of disarray... ...


We can but that excuse only goes so far.

#26 unbroken_chain

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:30 PM

:lmao:


I am incorrect? :monkey:

#27 Mama Kel

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:31 PM

Bush, then Obama. Point it is, the only change has been we've upgraded our public image.


This is why I vote 3rd party...you're not going to get change from the current corrupt 2 party system

#28 melissa.phish

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:32 PM

Ennui. It's not just a salad topping anymore.

#29 Gypsy Bob

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:32 PM

We can but that excuse only goes so far.

8 years vs 10+ months ... how far you giving?

#30 melissa.phish

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:33 PM

We can but that excuse only goes so far.


Give the man a break; it's been all of 10 months since he took office.

#31 JBetty

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:33 PM

I am incorrect? :monkey:



I'm laughing at the gross understatement. :rotf:

#32 unbroken_chain

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:33 PM

Well, I hope it works out for everyone, either way :lol:

don't vote. can't vote. fuck it.

#33 Phishfolk

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:34 PM

I don't have to give anyone working for me a break :clapping:

#34 unbroken_chain

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:35 PM

I'm laughing at the gross understatement. :rotf:



I was trying to be objectively ambiguous. :coffee::v:

#35 Julius

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:36 PM

I have dual citizenship. :wink:


Wenn sie es nicht m

#36 JBetty

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:36 PM

I was trying to be objectively ambiguous. :coffee::v:



:funny1:

#37 MJS1234

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:37 PM

This is why I vote 3rd party...you're not going to get change from the current corrupt 2 party system


This is EXACTLY why I voted 3rd Party this year.

The two parties are more similar than different.

#38 elder

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:37 PM

This is why I vote 3rd party...you're not going to get change from the current corrupt 2 party system


I agree 100%

#39 Shake Yer Bones

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:38 PM

This is EXACTLY why I voted 3rd Party this year.

The two parties are more similar than different.


Me too. I need more than a "good public speaker" to get my vote. :lol:

#40 Mama Kel

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:52 PM

we could start a revolution!! :v:

#41 Luna

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 07:54 PM

this doesn't read like an 'adult conversation', imho


mine either.

He's living up to his status as the first black president. I don't believe he's slutting himself at all. And YES it does take years to unravel the damage that's been done. When will people ever learn that the president has a lot less power than you wish to believe.

#42 shmalphy

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 08:02 PM

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Well we have a larger gov't, less jobs, we are kissing the asses of terrorists and giving america a weak image by closing gitmo, he diffused a race war (that he started with inflammarory comments) with his beer summit , had a sweet photo op or 2, initiated a move towards socialism, yeah looks like change is coming!

#43 shmalphy

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 08:03 PM

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#44 purple cowboy

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 08:12 PM

I am a proponent of small-government liberalism. We obviously need some "socialized" services like police, fire, drivable roads, healthcare, in some cases schools, but you should only have to pay tax if you actually use those services.

#45 Dr. Freakynutz

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 08:14 PM

I feel like there was some misunderstanding, maybe coming from the republican claims, that Obama is very liberal. He is moderate. He is looking for a moderate compromise on health care. He is downright neo-con on things like the patriot act, warrant-less wiretapping and privacy. He has definitely been more transparent. he is probably more socially liberal. I can see why people are upset about the rising debt and fiscal irresponsibility, but that sort of thing is really hard to predict as there are so many factors. what will our economy look like in 4 years? Will that be because of Obama? democrats will say yes if it is good, no if not, and repubs vice versa. I agree that all of it is almost impossible to say right now.

#46 Dr. Freakynutz

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 08:17 PM

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Well we have a larger gov't, less jobs, we are kissing the asses of terrorists and giving america a weak image by closing gitmo, he diffused a race war (that he started with inflammarory comments) with his beer summit , had a sweet photo op or 2, initiated a move towards socialism, yeah looks like change is coming!


I feel like this may not be an objective point of view.

#47 Feck

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 08:18 PM

i bet if Jack was here, this would have been moved twice already :eek:

#48 Luna

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 08:18 PM

I feel like this may not be an objective point of view.


:lol:

#49 halfstar

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 08:19 PM

too long. didn't read.

#50 Panda

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 08:20 PM

too long. didn't read.


missed NOTHING