I don't think it's possible for me to move entirely to away from the personal choice/legal arguments. They're too important to me, whether I choose to watch porn or not. And I don't often. In order of hotness, I much prefer what goes on in my head, and then audio/video from someone I've been with, or might be with in the future, to strangers.
A side note about porn I've seen...I would much rather the focus be on the women's faces than on parts smashing into each other. Maybe that's part of the "spiritual/relational" perspectives for me. And while talking dirty has its place sometimes for me, hearing people "say it like they don't mean it" is a turnoff. For me. Then again, I've never been in a strip club...I'm a weird guy.
Maybe someday I will for the experience. I dunno.
Another thought, and this is all sort of stream of consciousness...I wonder if culturally, the wide acceptance of porn isn't a backlash against a couple of millenia of sex being made shameful in western society. While I'd prefer it to always be a respectful and caring (and I think it can be, even when it's animalistic, loud, and raw), it's perhaps worse in my eyes that that not always be the case than that something natural, which should bring people closer together (for one night or several thousand) has long been treated as sinful and wrong.
Maybe part of the distastefulness of a lot of porn is rooted in confusion between those two mindsets.
"And if you're bothered by it, there's really nowhere to go."
I disagree, while it might not be easy, we'd all do well to unplug from the majority of modern media. It's a choice we can make.
Sex/intimacy as a commodity...capitalism, etc. :
The clip where the young woman discussed her compensation for different types of scenes bothered me, but it is her choice whether or not to accept those rates.
"When your best
choice is taking off you clothes and sticking toys in your c**t for money, I think there's a real problem with the labor system."
I agree to some extent. Though there are other jobs...they may pay less, but they're there. I could choose to do things which pay more than what I currently do, but I'm not willing to.
I don't like most of what I saw in the documentary, but I come back to the notion that as long as what is filmed is consensual, it's not my place to get in its way. Though it is my responsibility to try to educate people to seeing sex in a different way when I can.
Re: pornography "bleeding into" the way men have sex: I'm sure there's some truth to this, but I'm as sure that sometimes hair pulling, and biting and the like would be part of sex if there'd never been a movie made about it.
One last thing, re: the girl who found the Playboys and thought her mother wasn't good enough for her father...
A couple of thoughts...I wish her parents had discussed this with her at some point. As some of you know, I'm not big on the idea of monogamy as a natural system of relationships. We could have an entire discussion about that sometime. But if we can stipulate for a moment that that's true, then if people are shoehorned into an unnatural way of being, there's bound to be some outlet...
It's a tough subject, and I don't know if anything I've written above makes any sense.
Spiritually, culturally, relationally, I think it's a sign of broader problems we have as a society...