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[sure-ur-rightdancer]

so I am probably going to sound old and lame but wondering what others think about smoking cigarettes at shows (indoor seated shows specifically).... I had a pretty extreme experience at phish when the kids in front and behind us basically smoked a pack each during the show.

I wish this was an exaggeration but they basically lit a cig up in between every song (and there were a few empty packs on the ground when we left)

yes I could have moved and probably should have seeing that I have been sick since then (though the new MSG set up makes it a little harder) but should I have to? I didn't say anything cause I didn't want to be lame but just wondering whats the deal.... 1-5 cigs/show is ok, 6-10 is warning 11+ is steal them and throw onto stage like a glowstick?

[gregoir]

If I am allowed to go outside then I don't smoke indoors. If the venue does not allow me out I then I smoke inside. No one seems to complain about so I don't really see a difference.

And almost everyone I know including myself has been sick since MSG. It's not from the cigs. There were some very bad germs floating around the building.

[sure-ur-rightdancer]

see that's the thing... usually (obviously not always) its one and like 4 people but with cigs everyone has their own...

[Jwheelz]

And almost everyone I know including myself has been sick since MSG. It's not from the cigs. There were some very bad germs floating around the building.

I can second that, I'm still coughing from the nasty nasty cold I had over the weekend...

As for cigarettes, they don't really bother me at shows unless the smoke is right in my face, but at 4'10" sitting I usually don't have that problem

[TheDHJ]

Who can afford cigs in NY/NJ?

[PeaceFrog]

there's definitely a difference between tobacco and some types of aromatic smoke. I'm allergic to tobacco and is causes my sinuses to clog up and chest to get congested.

[gregoir]

Who can afford cigs in NY/NJ?

People that don't have 35 kids:monkey:

[Doctor Albert]

I don't mind people doing it, but they could be a bit more considerate. Like the OP said.. do you really need that many??
Also, do you need to sing every lyric you (think you) know?
And do you need to fart so much?

[suburbanite84]

Even when I was smoking cigs I would try to be mindful of my surroundings. Like you said it's different with puffin the tuff stuff because everyone doesn't have their own or light up every 5 minutes.

[Java Time]

...I had a pretty extreme experience at phish when the kids in front and behind us basically smoked a pack each during the show.

I wish this was an exaggeration but they basically lit a cig up in between every song
...

They may have been triipppin or something like that...I'll usually go outside

[Eddie Z]

Seems as if the younger generation is all about smoking. A few of my younger friends are badly hooked. To the point that I can't hang with them when they're smoking indoors in one of their homes. I go to concerts from bands that attract all age groups. Phish, Disco Biscuits, and other bands that attract the 20 something crowds are the worst.

Ya know, in the 50's, nobody knew any better. But we know so much more now about the negative effects of smoking. I just can't believe the extent of the smoking these days. Baffling. I want to throw blackened lungs from a smoker's cadaver at these kids.

Heavy smoke from concerts, bars, or other severe exposures causes me to have violent coughing fits. Strangely this is a delayed reaction. As soon as I'm out in fresh air, my lungs want to expel the impurities and heal. When i come home, all my clothing goes right into the washer.

At concerts, unfortunately not much you can do if you're in reserved seating. If GA, I don't engage, I just move if I can. Sucks.

I realize my response was no help. But I feel your pain.

[Depends]

I was surprised, I didn't see a lot of people smoking cigs at phish, but my clothes smelled like cigs after the show...

[capt_morgan]

im not sick...and i smoked cigs all three nights at msg...just didnt share any with anyone....cause noone offered:undecided:
i guess i am happy bout that though...cause im not sick:lol:

[Jwheelz]

I blame my sickness on a wook's

[Terrapin Station]

^^ Thats what happens Capt. when you looked all wooked out. No one offers b/c they dont want the wook flu.

[gregoir]

I think it was all the keys I smelled not the:pimp:

[capt_morgan]

[suburbanite84]

[capt_morgan]

there was a lot of bacteria to be ingested

[deadheadskier]

If I am allowed to go outside then I don't smoke indoors. If the venue does not allow me out I then I smoke inside.

pretty much this

though with venues that don't let you out, I never smoke in the music viewing area. Like a junkie, I'll sneak off into a stairwell or bathroom stall, grab a few quick puffs, then head back to my seat.

I'll partake wherever I am at after assessing whether or not I'll have an issue with security.

[capt_morgan]

oh fuck that i smoke right in the seats...just all ninja about it n shit

[Deadshow Dan]

You shoulda told them to move. Tobacco smoking inside is illegal because of the health consequences for other people. You would not have been lame if you'd told them.

Yech

[capt_morgan]

You shoulda told them to move. Tobacco smoking inside is illegal because of the health consequences for other people. You would not have been lame if you'd told them.

Yech

shut up!
go outside and suck on an exhaust pipe

[Deadshow Dan]

shut up!
go outside and suck on an exhaust pipe

pretty much the same as sitting next to someone smoking

[robberry]

Ecigs and Purell FTW.

[capt_morgan]

[LostsailorVT]

Cigarettes are nasty! I used to smoke them. I started when I was 11 years old and smoked till 22. Pretty sure I'm allergic to them now as it only takes a single breath from a passing trail of smoke to get me all congested and give me headaches. Even outdoors. While I don't like cigar's or pipe tobacco either, they don't seem to have the same effect. Neither does herb smoke.

The ventilation systems at some of these venues aren't very efficient either. Most butt-heads, especially some of the younger ones seem to feel they are entitled to smoke wherever they want to. Some are a little more aware and respectful than others, but they always seem to be sitting near me at a show. I have asked people sitting near me not to smoke or try to blow their smoke in the other direction with varied responses. I have also just re-located a few times when the person appeared more likely to tell me to fuck off or beat me up rather than be considerate of my health and be willing to put it out.

So what can you do? Put up with it, ask them not to smoke (good luck w/ that), move to another seat and wait for the next inconsiderate butt-head to light up, bring a water gun, tell security, start singing as loud and as off key as you can at the back of their heads, maybe they will get annoyed with you and move somewhere else.

[shagggadellic]

Some people really need to smoke when they're tripping hard, so I cut those people slack. But otherwise, people should find a quieter place, especially when it's GA IMO.

[nancykind]

i never liked smoking at indoor shows, but never knew why either. just would rather not smoke at all for some reason.

when someone's cigarette smoke was bothering me at a seated indoor show i have been known to blow air at the person/smoke every time they exhale. most seem to feel it and figure it out. they can choose to smoke, i can choose to blow the smoke away from me.

[drvic]

Im in Gregoir's boat, if they dont let me out, im just gonna light up there. -

[elder]

I doubt very much that by now cigarette smokers don't realize how irritating and harmful their smoke is to others, especially non-smokers.
So basically you're saying a big "fuck you, I'm all that matters" to all of your non-smoking fellow phans when you do so indiscreetly.

[Depends]

I doubt very much that by now cigarette smokers don't realize how irritating and harmful their smoke is to others, especially non-smokers.
So basically you're saying a big "fuck you, I'm all that matters" to all of your non-smoking fellow phans when you do so indiscreetly.

This

[drvic]

I doubt very much that by now cigarette smokers don't realize how irritating and harmful their smoke is to others, especially non-smokers.
So basically you're saying a big "fuck you, I'm all that matters" to all of your non-smoking fellow phans when you do so indiscreetly.

Well since you put it like that....

[gram-man]

I was really not happy they didn't enforce the no cigarette smoking at MSG. Been a long time since I've been in a cigarette smoke filled room.

Don't miss it.

[elder]

.. Been a long time since I've been in a cigarette smoke filled room. Don't miss it.

You definitely don't want to stay at the Showboat in AC then.

We went down there to see Social D recently and the first thing that hit me was the disgusting cigarette cloud hanging throughout the casino. Made our eyes burn. How fucking gross!

They allow smoking in Vegas. Its never that bad there.

[Wende]

People that don't have 35 kids:monkey:

Or people that still live with mommy and daddy?

[Wende]

I doubt very much that by now cigarette smokers don't realize how irritating and harmful their smoke is to others, especially non-smokers.
So basically you're saying a big "fuck you, I'm all that matters" to all of your non-smoking fellow phans when you do so indiscreetly.

Yup. Pretty fucking much!

And ya know what? Maybe places like MSG, Phish....wouldn't be so filled with disgusting germs if people's bodies weren't so compromised. Smoking, drinking, droogin.....no sleep...not eating right for days. Close quarters with people like that and your bound to spread the yuckies.

[Java Time]

[√] high horse thread

[Doctor Albert]

...and maybe they should turn down that dang music!!

[Gypsy Bob]

Hindsight has made the Smoking Issue quite clear for me.

Example: Tribeca Blues NYC - Zen Trickster Shows:

Tribeca was a small club, 250 capacity MAX. (When full it was a Sardine Can) When the 1st set began the room was fairly free of Cigarette Smoke, by the 1st sets end it was Foggy from smoke. I'd go downstairs to hang with the Band or go outside just to be able to breathe. Two songs into the second set the stage was a literal blur; fogged in. I very rarely made it through the 2nd set. Eyes a blur, sinuses wrenching, I felt toxic. It was a HORRIBLE SITUATION.

When the smoking ban was instituted I was Pissed! I realized what I had been exposed to. Now when I went home I no longer smelled, had a headache or felt like shit for two days. (Not to mention how much more I got into the music) If you want to mainline junk knock yourself out, you're only hurting yourself. Cigarette Smoke is TOXIC to EVERYONE!

[elder]

[√] high horse thread

Really? Non-smokers are considered to be on a high horse for asking smokers to be courteous? In a place where no smoking is allowed? Really?

[unbroken_chain]

I was at a DSO show at the Wilbur in Boston (that one I posted about free tix for) Bear in mind, I am a smoker, but can usually make it, and they allow folks to go out at set break.

I have this thing for "old buildings" too... There was a couple guys in front of me smokin butts... I shrugged it off; but the women next to me were getting smoked out and not enjoying their show.

I asked them nicely to put the butts out. they didnt. I indicated to them they were going to put the butts out. they did.

[alsoa]

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"I hate you non-smokers with all of my little black heart. Obnoxious , self-righteous, whining little fucks. My biggest fear is that if I quit smoking, I'll become one of you." - Bill Hicks

[Raynequeen]

cigarette smoking inside a venue = disgusting. if you do it, you're rude.
however, if a venue doesn't offer a smoking section - it's rude.

1. if there is a smoking section and you aren't using it, i will tell the smoker to please move to the smoking section.
2. if a venue doesn't have a smoking section provided for smokers, i will tell the venue of my experience.

if more people did 1. and 2. there'd be less complaints:smile:

[unbroken_chain]

if only common sense were not on the verge of extinction

[Terrapin Station]

For all you *anti-smoking indoor folks...do you feel the same about people smoking we_ed? Or is that ok?


*I dont like the tobacco smoke either. Just curious.

[Dr. StrangeHat]

especially some of the younger ones seem to feel they are entitled to smoke wherever they want to.

I have more of a problem with this issue lately than the smoking itself. I used to smoke upwards of three packs a day before I quit 8 years ago, so I know just how strong that "jones" is for a cigarette. Hell, to this day I still get small cravings every so often and smoke a lot in my dreams.

Anyway, I've been finding myself getting more and more frustrated with this sense of entitlement I'm seeing from many younger Americans (and Americans in general) lately. It seems to me that my generation (i.e. those in their early to mid 30s) was much more respectful and courteous when we were in our late teens and early 20s than those in their late teens and early 20s today (albeit relatively...I'm sure we were still disrespectful and discourteous to some extent).

Maybe it's because I'm getting older, but it seems to me that more and more people only care about themselves these days and lack a general respect and courtesy to those around them. It

[Dr. StrangeHat]

For all you *anti-smoking indoor folks...do you feel the same about people smoking we_ed? Or is that ok?


*I dont like the tobacco smoke either. Just curious.

I feel the same way about that. I don't smoke it and don't mind if someone smokes a little during a show. But take it easy and be respectful. Don't smoke the whole bag.

[deadheadskier]

I feel the same way about that. I don't smoke it and don't mind if someone smokes a little during a show. But take it easy and be respectful. Don't smoke the whole bag.

I dare ya to tell that to my wife

[Doctor Albert]

Cigarette smoke is much worse. And people don't usually smoke a pack of j0ints during a show!