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#151 Tim the Beek

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 06:37 PM

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#152 PeaceFrog

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:27 PM

ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. -JFK

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:37 PM

This just came out today. Too funny not to post here....



#154 china cat

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:34 PM

Wide awake :)

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:37 PM

it's not the millionaire you like who is the problem, ya know, the one who's bankrolled by Wall Street. It's that other millionaire bankrolled by Wall Street. :lol:

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 10:04 PM

yep... Barack is a millionaire. He's worth 11.8 million which he made writing books.

yeah, that's exactly like Mitt who inherited a million from his father... and is now worth about a quarter of a billion... from being a "pioneer in outsourcing" and buying companies to "harvest" them for a profit.

yep, they're the same...

you were correct when you said you had no idea about politics... keep reading.

#157 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 10:50 PM

You should be more polite, dude.

Obama is also a Wall St. Corp. Whore



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The Times of India claimed that Barack Obama had appointed seventeen lobbyists to high government positions in the first 14 days of his administration. Politicoprovided a list of twelve of these last week, a handy reference with which we can start building our lists of “exceptions” to the Obama Administration Ethics Policy:

Here are former lobbyists Obama has tapped for top jobs:
  • Eric Holder, attorney general nominee, was registered to lobby until 2004 on behalf of clients including Global Crossing, a bankrupt telecommunications firm [now confirmed].
  • Tom Vilsack, secretary of agriculture nominee, was registered to lobby as recently as last year on behalf of the National Education Association.
  • William Lynn, deputy defense secretary nominee, was registered to lobby as recently as last year for defense contractor Raytheon, where he was a top executive.
  • William Corr, deputy health and human services secretary nominee, was registered to lobby until last year for the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, a non-profit that pushes to limit tobacco use.
  • David Hayes, deputy interior secretary nominee, was registered to lobby until 2006 for clients, including the regional utility San Diego Gas & Electric.
  • Mark Patterson, chief of staff to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, was registered to lobby as recently as last year for financial giant Goldman Sachs.
  • Ron Klain, chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden, was registered to lobby until 2005 for clients, including the Coalition for Asbestos Resolution, U.S. Airways, Airborne Express and drug-maker ImClone.
  • Mona Sutphen, deputy White House chief of staff, was registered to lobby for clients, including Angliss International in 2003.
  • Melody Barnes, domestic policy council director, lobbied in 2003 and 2004 for liberal advocacy groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union, the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the American Constitution Society and the Center for Reproductive Rights.
  • Cecilia Munoz, White House director of intergovernmental affairs, was a lobbyist as recently as last year for the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy group.
  • Patrick Gaspard, White House political affairs director, was a lobbyist for the Service Employees International Union.
  • Michael Strautmanis, chief of staff to the president’s assistant for intergovernmental relations, lobbied for the American Association of Justice from 2001 until 2005.

This doesn’t count Tom Daschle, who never registered as a lobbyist but got paid millions for his political connections in pursuit of preferential treatment for his clients in the health-care industry. The AP notes this in today’s look at the Lobbyist Administration:


Sloan and others said embarrassments over Daschle, one of several top Obama appointees with a history of influencing government for clients, should not detract from the president’s first-day vow to sharply limit the role of lobbyists in his administration.

Daschle, a former senator tapped to head Health and Human Services, is not technically a lobbyist. But he was paid more than $5.2 million over the past two years as he advised health insurers and hospitals and worked in other industries such as energy and telecommunications.

Fred Wertheimer of Democracy21 is one of Washington’s best-known advocates of more open and honest government. He called Obama’s executive order “unprecedented and almost revolutionary in nature” and “a direct attack on the culture of Washington and the way business is done here.”

“A few waivers will not undermine it,” he said, provided they are justified and limited.


Limited? It’s been less than two weeks since Obama took office, and he’s appointed a lobbyist a day to a government position. What kind of governing philosophy is that, if not a big “For Sale” sign on the White House, at least according to Obama’s own anti-lobbyist rhetoric on the campaign trail? A lobbyist a day helps keeps accountability away.

Wertheimer demonstrates all that is wrong with these ersatz watchdog groups who really only are interested in partisan outcomes. Can anyone seriously believe that Wertheimer would have had the same orgasmic reaction if George Bush had written that ethics policy and spent every day afterwards violating it? Does he really expect anyone to believe that words matter more than action?

Well, the media might buy it, gauging by their coverage of this issue, but perhaps not for long. If the AP has started to point it out, even this mildly, others may soon follow.



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If you’re looking for someone busier than US President Barack Obama, try finding his doorbell repairman. New records reveal that the White House has had millions of visitors since Obama entered office, and many were lobbyists.
Since the start of his term, President Obama has been adamant on eradicating ties between administration officials and Washington lobbyists. He vowed to keep himself from appointing former K Street execs to White House roles and even outlined it as part of his campaign agenda back in 2008. Now to settle a lawsuit, the Obama administration has released the White House’s visitor logs dating back to just after the current commander-in-chief took the oath of office, and although preliminary research reveals that there aren’t a lot of notorious names littering the logs that would raise eyebrows, one thing is for certain: lobbyists are without a doubt welcome at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Dating back to January 2009, the president’s palatial Washington, DC mansion has seen more than just a few guests. In all, the logs suggest that 1.3 million distinct visitors have dropped by for more than 2 million individual visits. A fair share of those are chalked up to holiday parties, diplomatic receptions and bill signing ceremonies, but besides from tour groups, the president’s most popular guests appear to be lobbyists working for companies that usually have cushy relationships with the White House.
In a report published on Monday by the Washington Post, the paper notes that lobbyist Marshal Matz has made more than two dozen drop-bys since inauguration day, often accompanied by some pretty big names in the world of business. In particular, the Post notes that Matz has swung by the White House from time to time with the general counsel for the company that runs General Mills cereal and the owner of Beef Products, Inc.
“I appreciate Marshall’s ability to have access,” Federal Forest Resource Coalition President Howard Hedstrom tells the Post, “…He opened the door, but basically the conversation was carried by those of us who know the issues.”
Testimonies from others suggest that being buddy-buddy with a lobbyist might be the only way to get in, though.
Vivature Health CEO Andrew Menter tells the Post that he met with Obama towards the end of the president’s first year in office after lobbyist Tom Downey arranged for a meeting between the two. He wasn’t the only one helped out by the former New York congressman, but he was one of just a few that felt comfortable talking to the Post about his experience. Menter says that the meeting was made so that he could discuss the effects of Obama’s new health-care law on his small-time business, to which he offers the Post a unique reflection:
“The whole process was interesting for me. It’s a little scary,” he says. “You need a lobbyist to get a meeting.”
The White House is not holding back by publishing the logs, and offers little commentary as to why each visitor dropped by. If anything, though, it finally accounts for explaining just how strong the relationship between lobbying and legislation really could be.
Among other frequent visitors include Tim Hannegan, who lists Taser International as a client. He’s been to the White House more than 30 times since the start of the president’s first term. Bill Samuel, lobbyist for the AFL-CIO, has been by more than 50 times.Elsewhere Michael Taylor, a lobbyist for the Monsanto corporation that formally served as an attorney for the US Department of Agriculture, is listed 25 times in the database. Chris Dodd, the former congressman that left his Senate position to help lobby in favor of the Stop Online Piracy Act on behalf of the Motion Picture Association of America at a $1.2 million annual salary, made more than a dozen trips too.
“The administration’s stance on lobbying may be a great applause line for people outside the Beltway but there are people here in D.C. who are lobbying on behalf of a multitude of worthy causes,” Laura Murphy, a lobbyist for the American Civil Liberties Union, tells the Post.
In the end, a visitor’s pass into the White House doesn’t always guarantee that you’ll win Obama’s endorsement. It does, however, help get you that much closer to Washington royalty — even after insisting that the revolving door between the White House and corporate lobbying would be closed on his watch, 17 former lobbyists were appointed to the Obama Administration – during his first two weeks in office alone.




#158 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 10:52 PM

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Jon Corzine, Obama ‘Partner’ and Campaign Financier, Subpoenaed on MF Global Collapse



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Former New Jersey governor and U.S. Sen. Jon Corzine, whom President Obama once hailed as an “honorable man” and one of his “best partners” in the White House, has been subpoenaed to testify before Congress about his role in the collapse of the investment firm MF Global.
Corzine was chairman and CEO of the company between March 2010 and Oct. 31, 2011, when it filed for bankruptcy. An estimated $1.2 billion has not been accounted for, leaving many investor accounts drained. The FBI and Justice Department are also investigating the case.
The unanimous, bipartisan vote today to require Corzine to appear before the House Agriculture Committee next week sets the stage for tough questioning of one of the president’s top re-election campaign fundraisersand a man who had, until recently, been considered a top pick for Treasury Secretary in a possible second Obama term.
Corzine hosted a private fundraiser for Obama at his Manhattan home in April and has given the maximum individual contribution — $35,800 — to Obama and Democrats for 2012, according to Federal Election Commission records. He and his family have donated more than $933,000 to Democratic candidates and groups since 1990, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
The former CEO of Goldman Sachs has also bundled more than $500,000 in contributions for Obama 2012 from his deep-pocket friends and associates, many of whom have ties to Wall Street.
Corzine’s scheduled appearance before the House panel on Dec. 8 comes with potential pitfalls. If he openly answers lawmakers’ questions, he risks giving information that criminal and civil investigators could use against him. On the other hand, if he invokes his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, he could appear culpable to some degree.
While Corzine has not yet been charged with a crime, his ties to the failed firm have drawn criticism from Republicans and spurred demands on Obama to return Corzine’s campaign cash.
“In light of the FBI investigation into Jon Corzine’s company, President Obama should immediately return the $500,000 that Corzine raised on his behalf,” Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus said in a statement last month.
An Obama campaign official said they would return funds associated with Corzine if he is charged with any wrongdoing in criminal or civil court.
ABC News’ Jason Ryan and Susanna Kim contributed to thsi report.


#159 Tim the Beek

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 11:35 PM

yep... Barack is a millionaire. He's worth 11.8 million which he made writing books.

yeah, that's exactly like Mitt who inherited a million from his father... and is now worth about a quarter of a billion... from being a "pioneer in outsourcing" and buying companies to "harvest" them for a profit.

yep, they're the same...

you were correct when you said you had no idea about politics... keep reading.


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#160 Tim the Beek

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 11:35 PM

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#161 Tim the Beek

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 11:35 PM

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#162 Tim the Beek

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 11:35 PM

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#163 PeaceFrog

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 11:44 PM

You should be more polite, dude


you should go crawl back into your pineapple under the sea

#164 Joker

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 12:06 AM

you should go crawl back into your pineapple under the sea

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#165 china cat

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 12:20 AM

please avoid quoting things directed at me; it has the unfortunate consequence of nullifying the ignore feature. :hmmm:

#166 Tim the Beek

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 12:21 AM

I like it how the way of him takin' those rude swings at the people who I would defend but I don't need to defend because of they are being smart and done their own homework on their own.

#167 Tim the Beek

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 12:22 AM

And I'll not make those quotes of the directed to the not ignoring.

#168 PeaceFrog

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 01:06 AM



#169 Tim the Beek

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 01:21 AM

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#170 Tim the Beek

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 01:21 AM

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#171 Tim the Beek

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 01:22 AM

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#172 Tim the Beek

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 01:22 AM

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#173 Tim the Beek

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 01:26 AM

Rude and insulting's always the best way to roll, PF. Always. Good job.

#174 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 01:46 AM

It's unfortunate that we can't all at least be cordial. I happen to have a lot of respect for Tim and Kris and take offense to your insulting nature toward them, PF.

#175 PeaceFrog

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 01:50 AM

I fart in your general direction



#176 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 01:52 AM

You do nothing but fart, guy. It's one constant state of noxious gas with you. We all try to be nice, but really you deserve an upper deck....inyour pillow case.

Congrats on being a prick.

#177 PeaceFrog

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 01:54 AM

go polish your Ron Paul bust

#178 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 01:56 AM

What?

Anyway, I'm not addressing you again. Your insulting my family for no reason other than your amusement is unacceptable. Therefore, I no longer have any respect for you at all.

Good luck out there, fella.

#179 Tim the Beek

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 01:57 AM

It's unfortunate that we can't all at least be cordial. I happen to have a lot of respect for Tim and Kris and take offense to your insulting nature toward them, PF.


Thanks, Dave, but try not to be too offended. I ain't. Not worth it. I'd be really bummed if someone like you was acting the way he is toward either of us, but the source really does matter as far as I'm concerned.

Disrespect from someone who doesn't have my respect is like, well, a fart in the general direction of the wind.

#180 PeaceFrog

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 02:09 AM

you've stated over and over and over and over and over again that I'm stupid and you don't like me.

and now I'm supposed to cater to your ultra-sensitive needs?

now that's what I consider funny...

if I'm so stupid and annoying then why is it so impossible for you to ignore me?

#181 Spidergawd

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 05:32 PM

Easy there Tonto.

I agree with TASB that being a dick (which I have to say you have been for a few posts) does nothing to help defend your positions and enlighten people to your way of thinking.

And being a dick to TtB, who, in my opinion is one of the most reasoned and polite posters in this forum, is just, well, extra dickish. I think it's clear that I don't necessarily agree with TtB on some things, but the guy has been nothing but respectful and kind in his posts, and there is no reason to be a nasty cawk to him.

Make your points. Defend your positions. You probably know that there are things with which I agree with you. But your acting like an asshole doesn't make me (or anyone else, for that matter) inclined to participate and agree with your position. It's a shame, really. In fact, you're starting to sound just like many of the cons I've been hearing lately. Do you really want to be perceived as such?

#182 PeaceFrog

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 09:19 PM

I've told all of you numerous times that I don't give a crap what you think. Yes, that means you too. In fact, especially you.

I'm not about to get in the way of anyone who is on a mission to misunderstand me.

And what a double standard here. The lady makes rude comments to me and nobody notices until the moment I defend myself.

In case you forgot, go fuck yourself.

I don't know why conservative Republicans are allowed to dump on everyone who disagrees, and then they start whining about fairness and civility when they get a taste of their own medicine.

Again, if I'm not clear, fuck you.

#183 PeaceFrog

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 09:34 PM

you're all nothing but a bunch of plastic hippies anyway

#184 PeaceFrog

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 09:55 PM



#185 Spidergawd

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 11:25 PM

you're all nothing but a bunch of plastic hippies anyway


Then here's a suggestion: go elsewhere. Simple, really.

Oh, and sweet melt, Corky. Ignore'd

#186 capt_morgan

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 05:05 PM

im apathetic...and proud of it.

what good is voting when you see them all as the same candidate. am i supposed to waste my time voting for vodka just to have my voice heard?
i kinda feel like abstaining from the vote makes a much bigger statement. especially if more and more people start doing it.

#187 Joker

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 05:45 PM

I don't think NOT voting will do anything. If you don't vote there's no chance of someone else getting your vote so there's no real negative consequences for either party.

Let them see that someone else will be getting the votes if they don't get their shit together and maybe, just maybe, they'll put a little bit of effort into doing the right thing

#188 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 05:59 PM

It sounds like you're hoping for change, Jack. :funny1:

#189 capt_morgan

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 06:18 PM

im hoping for change...i have to go to the laundromat

#190 syd_25

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 06:26 PM

im apathetic...and proud of it.

what good is voting when you see them all as the same candidate. am i supposed to waste my time voting for vodka just to have my voice heard?
i kinda feel like abstaining from the vote makes a much bigger statement. especially if more and more people start doing it.



I totally understand that on the national level. It is the local elections I think get lost with that postition. Honestly I do not know if I can vote for anybody for Pres and feel good about it. But I woll be voting on my local selectman as they have a direct effect on my daily life that I feel I can affect. (did I use effect/affect correctly? lol)

Just my thought

#191 Joker

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 06:57 PM

It sounds like you're hoping for change, Jack. :funny1:

:lol:


I do hope for change but I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that the change we're getting is going to be for the worse as long as the status quo is maintained.

At this point I figure we got another 20 years tops before the whole thing blows up. Hopefully I'll be dead or senile by then and it won't matter

#192 Tim the Beek

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 06:59 PM

Hopefully I'll be dead or more senile by then and it won't matter


fixed. :funny1:

#193 capt_morgan

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 07:18 PM

:panic:

#194 capt_morgan

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 01:11 AM

Posted Image

#195 Joker

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 02:27 PM

fixed. :funny1:


You suck







even if it is truer than not :joker:

#196 PeaceFrog

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:39 AM

Then here's a suggestion: go elsewhere. Simple, really.

Oh, and sweet melt, Corky. Ignore'd


What part of "FUCK YOU" don't you understand? Simpleton.

#197 Spidergawd

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 12:08 PM

Ignoring PieceofDouche is one of my better decisions. Kinda like spraying Febreze on a turd though. Stinks less but still isn't very nice to see laying on the living room carpet.

#198 MeOmYo

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 12:19 PM

yep, ignored for a while now. although this board is not utilize the ignore very well. for someone who loves to throw around the, "I don't give a fuck what you think", he sure does give a fuck what everyone thinks.



#199 hoagie

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 04:00 PM

What?

Anyway, I'm not addressing you again. Your insulting my family for no reason other than your amusement is unacceptable. Therefore, I no longer have any respect for you at all.

Good luck out there, fella.


SLYGSAASISOI

#200 hoagie

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 04:03 PM

Easy there Tonto.

I agree with TASB that being a dick (which I have to say you have been for a few posts) does nothing to help defend your positions and enlighten people to your way of thinking.

And being a dick to TtB, who, in my opinion is one of the most reasoned and polite posters in this forum, is just, well, extra dickish. I think it's clear that I don't necessarily agree with TtB on some things, but the guy has been nothing but respectful and kind in his posts, and there is no reason to be a nasty cawk to him.

Make your points. Defend your positions. You probably know that there are things with which I agree with you. But your acting like an asshole doesn't make me (or anyone else, for that matter) inclined to participate and agree with your position. It's a shame, really. In fact, you're starting to sound just like many of the cons I've been hearing lately. Do you really want to be perceived as such?


From my perspective, people seem to be a little too touchy here.