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[TakeAStepBack]

Keep doubting guys. It's working brilliantly.

[PeaceFrog]

[TakeAStepBack]

There is no dream. He qualifies for the RNC and will be in Tampa. But keep being a dolt. Brings enjoyment.

[PeaceFrog]

so now you put your head in your hands? Oh No!

I said FAAAAR OUT, What a day, a year, a LAUGH it is!

[PeaceFrog]

that's my prediction... you will be ing all over the board with excuses when he flops as usual.

[TakeAStepBack]

You couldn't predict maggot infestation in a fly house. I really could give a fuck what you think, derp. Paul is going to the RNC to challenge Romney and your dear leader. This is what is known as a long strategy. Not a 5 yard gain. You wouldn't understand that if it punched you in the mouth.

[PeaceFrog]

wow, you've got some violent fantasies.

I understand a vice-presidential bid when I see one.

Is VP nominee a success in your opinion? Nobody else Mitt asked wanted it.

[TakeAStepBack]

Keeping herpin' derps. One day, you might actually be herpin' derpin'. You dont know shit. You dont even understand the process.

[PeaceFrog]

why did you dodge my question? do you consider a vice-presidential nomination a success?

in my opinion, it's the only chance Republicans have of beating Obama. That 3% or so could really make the difference... you never know.

but it is odd that when Ron Paul is winning straw polls on the internet, that's what really matters to you, but when he loses the popular vote in the primary, it's all about the delegates and straw polls don't mean anything.

How is that consistent?

[PeaceFrog]

consistently wRONg

[TakeAStepBack]

lol. Derp herp? Derp ah de derp herpin, derp. Derp de derp herp derpin'.

[PeaceFrog]

got your Romney/Paul bumper sticker yet?

[TakeAStepBack]

The only Romney/Paul anything is their race for the GOP nomination. If you actually think Paul would endorse and take a backseat to Romney, you are far more ignorant on the current primary race and politics in general than I ever thought. Maybe that's why you like being a troll in these threads. Knowledge is your kriptonite.

[PeaceFrog]

The only Romney/Paul anything is their race for the GOP nomination. If you actually think Paul would endorse and take a backseat to Romney, you are far more ignorant on the current primary race and politics in general than I ever thought. Maybe that's why you like being a troll in these threads. Knowledge is your kriptonite.

we shall see.

[PeaceFrog]

well, here's a GOP strategist that is just as ignorant as I am

and the FOX news dude thinks the idea is "tantalizing"

http://www.infowars....ublican-ticket/



be sure to check it out before they take it down.

So... are you gonna vote for Romney/Paul?

[PeaceFrog]

also, why do you consistently resort to personal attacks and insults when you're wrong?

[TakeAStepBack]

I'm not wrong about anything here. There is no Romney/Paul ticket. People making assumptions does not equal reality. Far from it. Two months ago Paul had absolutely no chance what so ever of competing for the GOP nomination. Now he holds a plurality of over 5 states, likely 7, in delegates and the race isn't over. He qualifies for the RNC and will be at the convention in August.

That video is old. Santorum and Gringrich are out of the race. It also mentions nothing about a Romney/Paul alliance and ticket.

You're, once again, as always, making things up. Shocker.

[PeaceFrog]

Two months ago Paul had absolutely no chance what so ever of competing for the GOP nomination.

That's not what you were saying two months ago!

Whatever happened to consistency?

[TakeAStepBack]

No, it isn't what I was saying. It is what the intellectually bankrupt were saying. Including you. You are entirely too confused and can not hang in such discussions. You also appear to be in this discussion for no other reason than your own amusement of taking shots at what you dont even have aclue about.

Why would a Obama supporter even care anyway? I know. Because you think you know something that you dont. Knowledge is your kryptonite.

[PeaceFrog]

I think it's relatively safe to say that the majority of people who know anything about Ron Paul think he's a joke.

Are you saying that all those people who think so are intellectually bankrupt?

[Joker]

[TakeAStepBack]

Both. It's making me question my own sanity to even entertain it.

[PeaceFrog]

I secretly hope that in some alternate reality somewhere that Ron Paul actually does win. Then I could sit back and ask Joke why Ron is such a liar and wasn't able to deliver a single thing he promised.

[TakeAStepBack]

Wash your hands when you're done.

[PeaceFrog]

I'm just letting you know that it isn't anything personal, but you seem to really take it all to heart.

It'll be OK. The world's currency is still valuable.

[TakeAStepBack]

I'm just letting you know it isn't anything personal, but you seem to be clueless on these topics.

It'll be OK. You can still trollin' and I'll still be hatin'.

[TakeAStepBack]

http://www.csmonitor...aine-and-Nevada



Ron Paul wins big in Maine and Nevada



Ron Paul’s presidential strategy is working – at least it did in Maine and Nevada this weekend, where he won the most number of delegates at state party conventions.

Ron Paul's presidential strategy is working – at least it did in

Maine

and

Nevada

Sunday, where he won the most number of delegates at state party conventions.

If most Republicans and pundits consider

Mitt Romney

the all-but-nominated champion to take on

Barack Obama

in this year’s presidential election, Rep. Paul’s army of enthusiastic and determined backers beg to differ.

In fact, they’re not begging at all but pounding at the gates of conventional political thinking. All that’s missing are the torches and pitchforks.

Paul’s method is to hold the Republican Party to its often-arcane delegate selection rules, especially in state party conventions.

Over the weekend, his supporters took control of the Maine Republican Convention, electing a majority slate of delegates.

In Nevada Paul forces did likewise, winning their man 22 delegates, compared to three for Romney.

One example cited by the Las Vegas Review-Journal: RNC National Committeeman Bob List, a former Nevada governor, lost to James Smack, vice chairman of the state GOP and a Paul supporter.

Romney won Nevada's caucus in February with half of the vote, the Associated Press points out. Under party rules adopted last fall, Romney was to get 20 of Nevada's 28 delegates for the national convention, and Paul was to get eight.

Paul backers say delegates will abide by those rules in the first round of balloting at the national convention in Tampa, the AP reported Sunday. But all bets are off if there is more than one round of balloting, and it remains to be seen whether the Romney campaign or Republican National Committee will challenge Nevada's delegate results.

[TakeAStepBack]

Keep doubting and hating.

[PeaceFrog]

I'm not sure where you got the impression that I hate anything.

hate destroys people from the inside. I'd be only hurting myself.

I don't hate him. He's never done anything to me personally.

He amuses me, like a clown.

Nobody trolls the GOP for lulz like wRon_g Paul.

[TakeAStepBack]

The only clown i see around here is you and your ridiculous assertions, hyperbole and intellectual bankruptcy. As an Obamabot, it's perplexing why you care so much about Ron Paul. as if you'd vote anywhere outside your beloved, dear leader.

[PeaceFrog]

Why do I care about Ron Paul?

I care about Ron Paul the way anyone cares about a constant source of entertainment.

It intrigues me that you still think he will win. It's a real oddity that you're the one calling me intellectually bankrupt.

Anomalies are interesting, what can I say? You and he are both anomalies to me.

[TakeAStepBack]

I never said he would win and you dont have a clue what i think. You're far too stupid to even begin to understand where I come from. How about you give me a good reason to vote for your dear leader instead of always dropping back to hate on Paul? Can't do it? Didn't think so. NEXT!

[PeaceFrog]

bahahahahah

don't need your vote bracef. got it covered this time around

I like how you just "changed the goalposts" from winning the nomination to.... ??? what is considered a success now? VP nominee right?

Who are you trying to fool by saying "I never said he'd win"

Really???

I know you've never said those exact words "he will win" but... well... you certainly implied it.

I guess now you consider it a win just because he's not being ignored.

[TakeAStepBack]

LMAO!

Back to the unseen for you. No more time to waste herpin' derps.

8 years of Obama shoud have us looking like Spain after 7 yrs of the last admin there. Bankrupt.

[Joker]

LMAO! Back to the unseen for you. No more time to waste herpin' derps.

Just in time, I was getting loose in the bullpen

[TakeAStepBack]

i will say,, if it is between Mitt and Obama, I hope Obama wins. He'll destroy the country a lot faster than Obamney-lite will. If you're goign to do something, do it right. He should be able to have us completely fubared by 2016. Maybe then this new world socialist epidemic will come to a screaching hault and the fog of entitlements will lift to the realization it doesn't work. Prolly not though, prolly. neoliberalism is like a disease. i get the impression they believe if they try it just one more time, they can get it right. The definiton of insanity at its most pervasive leval.

[PeaceFrog]

I think it's weird that you are looking forward to another financial meltdown. If that's what you want, then Ron Paul is THE natural choice.

I also think it's weird that people who claim to be non-violent have no problem expressing their violent fantasies toward someone they disagree with in a public forum.

[PeaceFrog]

and it's really just bizarre that you keep saying that I'm intellectually bankrupt, yet you're the one who posts "herp" and "derp." LITERALLY

you can't come up with anything better than herp and derp? At least try to be original... or somewhat creative. You're starting to bore me.

[PeaceFrog]

Paul camp distances itself from state convention takeovers

By EMILY SCHULTHEIS | 5/10/12 4:10 PM EDT
In the wake of news of Ron Paul "takeovers" at state conventions, Paul campaign manager John Tate blasts out a statement condemning any "hostile takeover" attempts:

Recent reports in The Idaho Statesman misrepresent the Ron Paul 2012 Presidential campaign’s involvement in the Idaho’s Republican precinct captain races that follow Mitt Romney’s first-place showing in the state’s inaugural caucus that took place on March 6th.

The Ron Paul campaign’s delegate-attainment strategy being implemented nationally at party processes that follow so-called ‘beauty contests’ is not, and has never been, meant to somehow rewrite the outcome of past nominating contests.

In Idaho, isolated instances of grassroots activists working toward an ostensible ‘hostile takeover’ of the GOP are not sanctioned by the Ron Paul national campaign.

Therefore, the Ron Paul 2012 Presidential campaign condemns efforts to expand its influence in the Republican Party in Idaho and beyond when these activities are couched as vengeful, underhanded, or markedly distasteful.

Lastly, our campaign does not want its message that Paul activists be civil and operate in accordance with local GOP rules to have a chilling effect. Paul supporters have every right to vociferously and energetically engage their party structures to introduce Dr. Paul’s winning message into existing party organizations.

To a certain extent, this was bound to happen -- particularly as the pro-Paul efforts caused a staffer to resign and fundraising money to dry up in Iowa. It's still unclear whether state-level takeovers will have similar effects elsewhere around the country.

http://www.politico....ers-123106.html

[TakeAStepBack]

YOu'll gobble up any opinion piece of shite to try and solidify your faulty RP and his supporters view.



Now, if you can find where paul supporters have broken any rules that would constitute using the term "take over" in the hostile manner presented. By all means, post those and skip the mindless pleb narrative pieces.

[TakeAStepBack]

Thanks for the laughs though. It's funny to read the neoliberal psuedo-conservative comments left in those pieces. Watching these establishment mindless drones cry and wail is awesome stuff. Butthurt is abundant.

[PeaceFrog]

I didn't write the piece. My point of posting it was that Ron Paul doesn't officially support your strategy.



that part of the article is fact, not opinion.

[PeaceFrog]

and yeah, the comments left there are almost as ridiculous as the stuff you post, just not as radical.

[TakeAStepBack]

Ron Paul doesn't support his own strategy? LMFAO.

Dismissed, derp. Dismissed.

[PeaceFrog]

Ron Paul does not support claiming delegates he did not earn from states he did not win such as Idaho.

[TakeAStepBack]

You have it all wrong. Not surprisingly at all.

[PeaceFrog]

I'm shocked you'd think so.

[TakeAStepBack]

http://bangordailyne...egy/?ref=latest

What, exactly, is Ron Paul up to?

The Texas congressman has, by all reasonable reckoning, lost his bid to be the Republican presidential nominee. Lost it big. In the GOP’s 35 primary and caucus votes, Paul has won as many as President Obama. Zero.

But now, Paul is using an unorthodox tactic to add more delegates to the national convention this summer. In Nevada, Maine, Massachusetts and elsewhere, his supporters have flooded the party’s snoozy state conventions — and then elected themselves to delegate slots.

That’s prompted a question now transfixing the GOP: What does Paul want?

Paul still has little shot at the nomination. But, with these numbers, the perennial outsider could gain enough leverage to demand a speaking slot, or changes to the party platform at the convention, if GOP bosses fear that Paul’s unhappy fans could disrupt their big moment.

“What are we supposed to do? Tell these people, ‘Look, the poor [Mitt] Romney campaign isn’t organized. They don’t know how to do this. We ask you that you please vote for Romney’?” said Doug Wead, a historian and a senior adviser to Paul’s campaign.

Wead’s answer was no. Instead, Wead said he hoped that Paul’s additional delegates would win him a formal delegate vote on his nomination and a speaking slot in the convention’s spotlight. That could help raise Paul’s profile, and the profile of the son — Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky. — he is grooming for bigger things.

“It’s already too late” to stop Paul’s strategy from working, Wead said. “We’re going to have a ton of people on the floor of the Republican national convention.”

In an interview with CNN on Wednesday, Paul said of his continued campaign: “It certainly isn’t for the reason of disrupting the convention. I’m in it for very precise reasons: to maximize our efforts to get as many delegates as we can. I’m still a candidate, and to promote something that is very, very important, that is a change in the direction for the Republican Party.”

By the numbers, the GOP race looks as finished as the Civil War.

Romney has an estimated 919 delegates, nearing the 1,144 he needs to win the nomination. Paul has just 100, less than ex-candidates Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich.

But Paul, unlike those two, is still fighting. Last weekend, for example, Paul’s fans were so successful at the Maine state convention that they added 21 delegates to his total. Romney — who had won Maine’s caucuses in February — got, at most, one.

Romney’s camp professes to be unworried.

“Make no mistake that the Tampa convention will nominate Mitt Romney, and it will be his convention,” Andrea Saul, a Romney campaign spokeswoman, said in an e-mail. She said Romney “has a lot of respect for Dr. Paul and the energy his supporters bring to the process.”

But privately, some Romney advisers say Paul’s convention tactics have become a distraction — diverting time and personnel at a time when Romney wants to shift his focus to Obama. In Maine, for instance, news reports said Romney sent one of his top lawyers to try to counter the Paul camp’s procedural tactics.

The idea behind Paul’s “delegate strategy” is to exploit the difference between what the GOP nominating process looks like and what it really is. What it looks like is a rolling series of miniature election days, with attack ads, flag-waving rallies and statewide votes.

It really is an eye-glazing, posterior-numbing series of meetings.

These usually happen after the votes: Local conventions elect delegates to state conventions. State conventions elect delegates to the national convention. Then, in Tampa in August, national delegates will cast the votes that choose the nominee.

In nine states, the first step determines the later ones: All delegates are “bound” to vote for whomever the voters chose. But in the other states, delegates are split between candidates. Or they are allowed to ignore the voters and choose for themselves.

For Paul, that means a battle lost at the polls can be refought in a hotel ballroom.

“They stepped off the field after the first inning. We stayed on the field,” said Carl Bunce, Paul’s campaign chairman in Nevada. In February, Romney won Nevada’s statewide caucuses by 30 points. But after that, Paul’s people started working the state’s series of conventions and got their people in 22 of the state’s 25 delegate slots.

That’s not as big a victory as it sounds: 14 of Nevada’s delegates will still be “bound” to vote for Romney on the convention’s first ballot.

[TakeAStepBack]

http://reason.com/bl...gy-continues-to

[TakeAStepBack]

More from the world of news and commentary regarding Ron Paul--last candidate challenging currently ahead Mitt Romney for the GOP presidential nod--continuing to win control of delegations and state party apparati:

Politico does a decent job trying to explain the technicalities of how his people are doing what they are doing in caucus states, and what it might mean. Excerpts:

The caucuses — which Romney won handily — are simply the first step in selecting delegates to the national convention....

At the caucuses, delegates to the county convention are elected. At the county convention, state delegates are elected. And at the state convention, national delegates are elected.



Generally, it doesn’t matter who actually goes as a delegate because the nominee is already decided.

In this case, Paul’s supporters have decided to see the process through, flooding the conventions at the county and state levels with enough supporters to elect Paul loyalists to the national convention....

Generally, when one candidate opens up an insurmountable lead, the other candidates will drop out and all of the delegates will back the nominee apparent. Paul is intent on testing the question of: Well, what happens if you don’t drop out?....

Politico then sheds light on what have become two big hopes of Paul fans as they muse on what they can do to shake things up at the Tampa convention. First, "Rule 38":

Rule 38 is a favorite of Paul supporters because it seems to imply that the state is not allowed to bind delegates at all.

Referred to as the Unit Rule, the measure says “no delegate or alternate delegate shall be bound” by any state’s attempt to impose the “unit rule.”

According to Josh Putnam, a scholar on the presidential nominating process at Davidson College in North Carolina, the rule is a throwback from the days when party bosses would strong-arm a state delegation into backing a single candidate.

Most party officials and observers say it doesn’t apply to states that have binding caucuses.

The problem for the Republican National Committee, as Putnam notes, is that the rule is still on the books and opens up an interpretation argument for Paul’s backers.

And the ever-popular "abstention" rather than casting a bound vote for Romney first-round.

RNC rules clearly say a delegate can abstain from the vote. Wouldn’t that set Paul loyalists free from voting for Romney?

Well, probably not.

In practice, when a majority of delegates decide they are going to abstain from the nominating vote, that state’s delegation is skipped over in the roll call.

Putnam said the rules aren’t clear what happens after all of the states vote and the skipped states get a second shot at it. If they abstain again, it could create an endless “feedback loop where the convention gets stuck.”

But Nevada Republican Secretary Jim DeGraffenreid notes that the roll-call vote doesn’t allow individual delegates to shout out their vote.

Instead, the delegation chair submits the state’s total. In Nevada’s case, the chair would shout out 20 votes for Romney and eight for Paul.

Any delegate looking to circumvent that bind would likely be replaced by an alternate delegate, DeGraffenreid said. And all of the alternates elected at the state convention are Romney supporters.

*Washington Post weighs in on what Paul delegates can or might do in Tampa, and beyond:

As his numbers grow, so does Paul’s ability to disrupt the convention’s rituals of Republican unity: His supporters might be able to put Paul forward for the nomination, or to vote against the GOP’s official platform.