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#51 PeaceFrog

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 09:12 PM

what makes you think I don't understand what your free-market idea is all about?

I understand it.

Your answer to the worlds problems is going back to a commodity backed currency, and letting the free-market reign.

You also admit that there will be a period that you call a "correction."

After the correction*, they all live happily every after.

*I've got a question for you about this correction. How long would it last? Is there a chance that some people would not survive, and might literally die from homelessness or starvation as a direct result?

#52 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 09:15 PM

There you go again, inserting words into my mouth and mind.

Have i ever once muttered anything even remotely close to :

After the correction*, they all live happily every after.


Or this:

Your answer to the worlds problems is going back to a commodity backed currency, and letting the free-market reign.


it isn't my answer to all the worlds problems. it is an answer to the current economic problems faced in America.

The answer is no. You come from some thought that perfection is going to be attained. I am not, nor do I think there is anyway that will ever happen no matter what we do.

Which is why it just isn't worth the time, peacefrog.

You understand it so well, so there is no point to debating the issue.

#53 PeaceFrog

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 09:18 PM

wow... you take one little hyperbole and act like everything I said is completely off base.

you must have gone to the school of joker and beerz

#54 Joker

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 09:19 PM

There's an 11 min video at the link and they talk about the union members not supporting the protests there

Weapons arrests, stolen car crash mar Portland port protest


PORTLAND, Ore. - Two people were arrested on weapons charges and a car police said was stolen and crashed on Marine Drive near Interstate 5 had four more Occupy Portland protesters inside, marking a rocky start to a planned large protest at a Port of Portland facility Monday morning.

Occupy protesters began massing before dawn at Kelly Point Park and Pier Park in North Portland in preparation to participate in a larger West Coast protest movement leaders are calling "shut down the ports" and said was in support of the longshoreman's union.

The group eventually converged on the Terminal 6 and Terminal 5 locations in Portland, both busy sites for vessels unloading shipping cargo onto trucks.

Other large protests were planned for Oakland, California port facilities at other West Coast locations.

Early Monday morning, police arrested two men they said were armed and appeared to be involved in the protest.

Police said one man had a loaded gun in his possession and there was a sword, gas masks and two-way radios in the vehicle he and another two men were in.

Police identified the suspects as Jason Dean Barnes and Steven Liddicoat. Barnes was arrested on weapons charges and for driving while suspended. Liddicoat was arrested on an unrelated past warrant. The third person in the car was released at the scene.

At around 6 a.m., police responded to a report of a crash involving two vehicles on the Marine Drive overpass over Interstate 5. Police said the pickup truck involved in the crash was stolen.

Police said they arrested 30-year-old Levi B. Feltkamp for unauthorized use of a motor vehicle. Feltkamp and the occupants of the stolen truck all indicated they were on there way to the Occupy demonstration. No injuries from the crash were immediately reported.

Union members have said that while they support the issues Occupy protesters are concerned about, they were worried the protest action Monday could affect the day's business and local workers daily paycheck.

Before the march began, protester Chase Wilson told KATU News that the group hoped to halt operations at the port by raising safety concerns due to the large number of protesters. He said they

#55 PeaceFrog

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 09:24 PM

times are tough.

it's hard to even get union members to stick together any more.

terrible times, indeed.

#56 Java Time

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 09:25 PM

oh please....first off it's not an article, it's an open letter from port truck drivers. secondly, did you even read it?


sorry comrade @article/open letter. yes I read...and to tell you the truth...it's no different in any other industry...they can join the club.

cleaner running trucks?!?
they talk about the good ol' days when trucking was a noble proffession
...well in the good ol' days the trucks were far less cleaner running in those days then they are today same for the ports

...and just what is the pay-scale that they feel is not middle-class...perhaps if they stated what they make I would buy into it.

I mean do they feel they should be paid for down time where they aren't doing anything 'cept looking for a place to take a dump?!?

why do they feel driving a truck is a more noble job than the fast food industry where folks are literally busting their asses for minimal pay.

those drivers are just that...drivers...they do not load or unload cargo as far as I know...they never touch freight...EVER, that is all done for them and they go home at the end of the day and get to see their families unlike that of x-crountry truckers who drive all over the country.

dangerous? perhaps...talk to OSHA 'bout that to get some changes made.

#57 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 09:25 PM

wow... you take one little hyperbole and act like everything I said is completely off base.

you must have gone to the school of joker and beerz


It is off base. But be sure to not only insult me, but also joker and beerz in the process. You just can not be a civil and decent debater here, peacefrog.

Later.

#58 vic

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 09:27 PM

OK, after searching several news articles, i come back with nothign indicating that truckers were barricading the ports. Notta, zip, zilch.

Just protesters blocking traffic and the authorities determing a safety issue causing a "slow down" and a portional shut.

Can you provide evidence to this claim?


there were photos on the nation liveblog that joker posted early in the thread of trucks lined up and described as forming a barricade at the long beach port, however they're not there now. sorry. hopefully they'll be back up later or we'll hear more at the end of the day.

#59 PeaceFrog

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 09:28 PM

It is off base. But be sure to not only insult me, but also joker and beerz in the process. You just can not be a civil and decent debater here, peacefrog.

Later.


you're the master 'bater

#60 Joker

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 09:34 PM

2pm ET, 11am PDT: Here's a summary of events so far today:




#61 PeaceFrog

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 09:36 PM

unions aren't allowed to tell members not to work anymore... here in NY anyway.

strikes are now a personal decision.

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 09:39 PM

It is off base. But be sure to not only insult me, but also joker and beerz in the process. You just can not be a civil and decent debater here, peacefrog.

Bingo

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#63 Java Time

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 09:44 PM

All they do is drive...they never touch freight.

They signed contracts.

They are paid by loads...hustle it up then.

I didn't open link as I thought it was what you had here.



I deal with truckers on a daily basis and my brother is a trucker

What are their credentials...what are they peformance evals...good?

What makes them any more important than fast food workers?

What is their pay scale?

#64 PeaceFrog

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 09:44 PM

You don't like the message, so you discredit the messenger

#65 Java Time

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 10:22 PM

You don't like the message, so you discredit the messenger



The message is vague at best and the opinion of a few.

Although there is a level of skill invovled...they drive from point a to point b...everyone else involved is doing the actual dangerous work involved while the skilled driver is looking for a free cup o coffee and a place to shit...give me one of their annual salaries before I kump to their side.

#66 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 10:38 PM

there were photos on the nation liveblog that joker posted early in the thread of trucks lined up and described as forming a barricade at the long beach port, however they're not there now. sorry. hopefully they'll be back up later or we'll hear more at the end of the day.


I'm sure as I am white that trucks were lined up at that port. However, creating a barricade?

Nancakes.


You see though, this is where I take issue with this sort of protest. This is NOT a peaceful protest and I will tell you why. The protesters, in an effort to make their point, have engaged in coercion. They are attempting to force the businesses that utilize that port (and the business of the port itself) to shut down. This has always been the case of socialists. They will use force, not short of even violence (not that OWS has been violent, not that it is all socialist in view), to achieve goals.

I do not condone force.