New Haven Protests
#104
Posted 18 April 2012 - 03:05 PM
http://www.wfsb.com/...ory/208501/news
#106
Posted 18 April 2012 - 08:15 PM
http://bambuser.com/v/2564956 So much for going out in style
#108
Posted 18 April 2012 - 08:53 PM
i hope Brody, Condormania and friends are treated fairly and make it home safely
#109
Posted 18 April 2012 - 09:12 PM
Those arrested did exactly the right thing from what I saw. They took a stand, made their point and passively resisted when being arrested. Those actions helped prevent people getting hurt as well as kept things from escalating.
But that girl with the camera clearly wanted to start shit.
#116
Posted 20 April 2012 - 01:32 AM
I guess public servants and/or regular folks just trying to support their families aren't considered part of the 99% by some of these folk.
It'd be poetic justice if this piece of shit was injured and dying and needed the cops to help save his sorry ass.
Six months later, Occupy leaves Green
The “occupation” has ended: after six months on the Green and a protracted legal battle with the city, Occupy New Haven is finally gone.
Police removed Occupy protesters from their Upper Green site early Wednesday morning, allowing the city’s parks department to clear the Upper Green of tents and debris. Occupy’s departure ended a two-month saga of city efforts to bring about the protest’s removal — first through talks and then forcibly — and came one day after the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit ruled that the city could legally remove the protesters from the Green.
“In the 28 weeks since Oct. 15 this became less about [protesting income inequality] and more it seemed about occupying the Upper Green, and holding onto that space,” Mayor John DeStefano Jr. said after the eviction. “It was important in my opinion and the opinion of the proprietors [of the Green] to secure the use of the Green for the rest of the city. I think that was the right decision, and I think most of New Haven felt that way.”

Beginning at around 8 a.m., the deadline set by the New Haven Police Department for members of Occupy New Haven to vacate the Green, police began to arrest protesters who sat and linked arms around a tent and refused to leave. While some protesters passively protested inside the encampment, others stood outside the encampment and yelled at police officers.
Though at the beginning of Occupy New Haven’s six-month stint, protestors enjoyed a friendly relationship with police officials, relations have soured dramatically since protesters filed a federal lawsuit against the city in attempt to maintain their encampment. As the police arrived Wednesday morning, Occupy protesters called officers “facsist pigs” and “dogs,” brandishing a sign that read “New Haven Police: You are the underpaid servants of the 1 percent.”
“I don’t care if one of you gets killed and I see it happen,” Josh Heltke, one of Occupy New Haven’s earliest members, shouted to police officers during the eviction. “I will never cooperate, ever.” Heltke was later arrested for trying to enter the encampment site after it had been cleared of protesters.
According to DeStefano, who praised the “incredible professionalism and discipline” NHPD officers displayed at the eviction, a total of 13 protesters were arrested and charged with disorderly conduct, interfering with police or both.
An Occupy supporter who identified himself as Frank called the eviction “disgraceful” and “disrespectful” to the American ideal of peaceful protest. The city, he said, should have given Occupy more than a day after the appeals court ruling to leave the Green.
After the immediate campground was clear of protesters, a hazmat team and bomb-sniffing dog examined tents and debris for any dangerous material. After police found a sleeping homeless man in one of the tents, who apologized to police and said he overslept before leaving the encampment, bulldozers began to clear the encampment nearly 100 minutes after the eviction began.
At a press conference after the eviction, DeStefano said the cost to the city of the Occupy protest, including six months of city services for protesters and the restoration of the Green, will total around $145,000. Deputy Director of Parks, Recreation and Trees Christy Hass said the city would begin uncompacting the dirt under the former encampment and reseeding bare swaths of the Green this week. If all goes according to plan, she said the Green might be restored before the summer.
Occupy protesters are free to return to the Green as soon as they want, DeStefano said.
“If Occupy participants return to the Green today, they are free to use the Green consistent with city regulations until 10 o’clock tonight,” DeStefano said. “They will not be permitted to erect structures on the Green, but they have a right to be there as do other residents of the city.”
Wednesday marked the end of long series of twists and turns in the city’s attempt to clear the Green of the Occupy encampment. The city invited Occupy protesters to two meetings in City Hall in February to determine the future of the Green after city officials and the Green’s legal proprietors — a group that has perpetuated itself since the 17th century — decided that the protest was unacceptably hindering public use of the Green.
But after Occupy members rejected a city proposal, officials issued a notice to protesters that they would have to leave the Green by mid-March. Attorney Norm Pattis took up the protest’s cause in court, filing a last-minute lawsuit claiming officials were unfairly infringing on protesters’ First Amendment rights.
Though Pattis managed to win Occupy New Haven nearly a month of extra time on the Green, protesters finally ran out of legal options when the federal appeals court issued its ruling Tuesday morning and a state housing court turned down an appeal that afternoon. Following the appeals court ruling, police warned protesters that they would be evicted at 8 a.m. the following day.
Despite their defeat, some protesters are sticking to their mantra of “You can’t evict an idea.”
Ty Hailey, one of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit against the city, said he does not think the eviction will hurt the Occupy movement.
“I’m still feeling really positive about this,” Hailey said.
A group of around 40 Occupy protesters met for their weekly general assembly meeting Wednesday evening, this time on the Lower Green. There, protesters shared stories of the eviction and said they were “proud” of the way they had acted earlier Wednesday.
Occupy New Haven, which arrived in the city on Oct. 15, was the longest-lasting encampment of the Occupy protest movement in New England.
http://www.yaledaily...s-green-defeat/
#118
Posted 20 April 2012 - 11:37 AM
#119
Posted 20 April 2012 - 01:14 PM
I have no doubt there were good folk too but that doesn't negate the assholes.
And no, I have not once made sweeping judgements against the whole group. In fact, I've gone out of my way to make sure I've acknowledged those trying to do the right thing in the right way.
Some of these protesting douchebags, on the other hand, have no problem lumping all the "pigs" together, pushing buttons and hurling vitriolic insults at them, from what I saw they seemed to be just trying to do their job.
They knew it was over and they knew anyone that stayed there was going to be arrested. If they can't control themselves and act like normal human beings they probably should have left rather than stay there just to bitch, yell and scream like spoiled little brats who didn't get their way.
I understand you and others have a personal commitment to what's going on down there and that should be commended, but that closeness can also blind one from seeing things objectively. Case in point, you stated they were "taking the higher ground and cleaning the place up" but from all the video I saw there was shit left all around, enough so that they had to bring in heavy equipment to clean it out.
#120
Posted 20 April 2012 - 04:53 PM
Also, this is a protest. I just wanted to say it out loud because you seem have an odd concept of what a protest consists of .. you were expecting a welcome committee for the police to dismantle a protest? that makes no sense at all. A protest makes no waves if protesters comply with every demand to keep silent, keep clean and keep out of sight. The purpose of a protest is to create dialog, make waves, create change, attention in other words .. etc. I know you know this, I'm not trying to be demeaning, but your comments seem a little silly here.
And I know you are the MOST law abiding citizen in the country and you have NEVER even once had a bad thought about a person in authority, let alone disagreed with our perfect government, but not all of us are as fabulous as you .. unfortunately
also ... i'm so glad you watch HOURS of video .. you armchair warrior you!
kidding .. love you jack, but really, i had to tease you on this one .. i honestly think you'd be 100% worse if it were your cause you were fighting.
#122
Posted 20 April 2012 - 05:37 PM
Yes it was a protest and apparently the city was wrong to try and help out the protesters as much as they did and would have been better served just throwing them out right away rather than trying to work with them.
Do you really think the actions of some of those assholes at the end helped create dialogue? The bullshit they were spewing did nothing constructive at all and only made the rest of them look bad. The hate-filled rhetoric they were directing towards supposedly fellow 99%ers for simply doing their jobs and trying to feed their children is reprehensible.
Those who would choose to support and defend their actions might want to take a step back and re-evaluate their position.
You're 100% wrong if you think I'd support what those assholes did no matter what the cause
#123
Posted 20 April 2012 - 07:36 PM
#124
Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:04 PM
Honestly, if I was there and involved I probably would have torn some of these idiots a new asshole.
I look forward to seeing you man. Please don't take what I'm saying the wrong way, I know there were good people doing the right thing down there but there's not a doubt in mind there were more than a few people there that wanted to start shit and deserved to be dope slapped. I just can't see defending those people.
http://bambuser.com/v/2564842
http://bambuser.com/v/2564769
http://bambuser.com/v/2562907
#128
Posted 21 April 2012 - 02:14 PM
#129
Posted 21 April 2012 - 04:08 PM
Name calling and donuts is far from starting shit. A few cops wanted a fight and they did not get it. Tabbooma has spoken
I disagree, hurling hate-filled insults, wishing death and incurable disease on others and taunting them is most definitely trying to start shit.
What were the cops who wanted to start a fight doing?
#130
Posted 21 April 2012 - 04:41 PM
I disagree, hurling hate-filled insults, wishing death and incurable disease on others and taunting them is most definitely trying to start shit. What were the cops who wanted to start a fight doing?
#132
Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:10 PM
The cops were arresting people who were KNOWINGLY breaking the law and were PURPOSELY being arrested to make their point (something which I can respect) their friends should have been applauding their courage and conviction rather than taunting those doing their job.
Were they being dragged away or carried? From what I saw they were being carried and I bet they had the option to stand and walk but refused to do so.
What kind of threats were the cops making?
Earlier you said it was "this douchebag cop white shirt starting pushing people around and was looking for a fight" now it's multiple cops pushing them? Did they seriously just come in and start pushing people around for absolutely no reason at all? With no provocation whatsoever? I would hope badge numbers were taken and charges were filed.
I'd say showing up in force was done for their own protection as well as others who might possibly been in harm's way if things took a turn for the worse. Using that logic wouldn't a large group of protesters showing up be considered starting shit?
I know I wasn't there, that doesn't change what happened or what I've seen in the videos.
If individual cops were doing anything wrong they should be held accountable but taking it out on every cop because of the actions of a few is just as wrong as the cops taking it out on every protester when a few of them do something wrong.
Tag
#133
Posted 21 April 2012 - 06:33 PM
ok The cops were arresting people who were KNOWINGLY breaking the law and were PURPOSELY being arrested to make their point (something which I can respect) their friends should have been applauding their courage and conviction rather than taunting those doing their job. Were they being dragged away or carried? From what I saw they were being carried and I bet they had the option to stand and walk but refused to do so. What kind of threats were the cops making? Earlier you said it was "this douchebag cop white shirt starting pushing people around and was looking for a fight" now it's multiple cops pushing them? Did they seriously just come in and start pushing people around for absolutely no reason at all? With no provocation whatsoever? I would hope badge numbers were taken and charges were filed. I'd say showing up in force was done for their own protection as well as others who might possibly been in harm's way if things took a turn for the worse. Using that logic wouldn't a large group of protesters showing up be considered starting shit? I know I wasn't there, that doesn't change what happened or what I've seen in the videos. If individual cops were doing anything wrong they should be held accountable but taking it out on every cop because of the actions of a few is just as wrong as the cops taking it out on every protester when a few of them do something wrong. Tag
#135
Posted 21 April 2012 - 07:51 PM
The old white shirt prick must be senile to try to push you anywhere, I'd be asking very politely and trying not to piss you off
I'd find it hard to argue that having people move back is looking for a fight. I'd say those who were refusing to move back after being ordered to do so were just as guilty of "looking for a fight" (could they perhaps have been preparing to bring the heavy equipment in?)
Again if it's a select few that were doing wrong that's still no reason to give them all shit.
It seems there was taunting going on by both sides.
I did see a video where the person in that wheel chair (think it was the same person) was stuck and a couple of cops went over to help push and get it unstuck.
It seems there was good people on both sides too.
#136
Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:39 PM
things aren't looking awesome and I have been told by several attorneys if I hire a lawyer it's going to cost a minimum of $1,000 to retain legal counsel on this. contacted the ACLU. we will see how this goes. I was filming the arrests not engaging in civil disobedience. I was targeted for being a press contact and vocal with the bullhorn on the two eviction days prior. I am hoping for the best...
Hoping for the best as well.
#138
Posted 22 April 2012 - 11:25 AM
If my friends were purposely getting arrested then neither would upset me to the point of absurdity a few of those people took it to. The old white shirt prick must be senile to try to push you anywhere, I'd be asking very politely and trying not to piss you off
I'd find it hard to argue that having people move back is looking for a fight. I'd say those who were refusing to move back after being ordered to do so were just as guilty of "looking for a fight" (could they perhaps have been preparing to bring the heavy equipment in?) Again if it's a select few that were doing wrong that's still no reason to give them all shit. It seems there was taunting going on by both sides. I did see a video where the person in that wheel chair (think it was the same person) was stuck and a couple of cops went over to help push and get it unstuck. It seems there was good people on both sides too.
#145
Posted 22 April 2012 - 02:41 PM
I didn't think the thread had "become" anything. Chris and I didn't agree on something and I thought we were discussing it civilly. The only thing close to any type of insult wasn't thrown by either one of us and I let it roll off rather than respond to it.















