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#1 concert andy

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 02:54 PM

Occupy Wall Street, and its campout demonstrations by underemployed Americans, is backed by labor unions and armed with share-the-wealth ideas from the liberal-advocacy groups financed by George Soros, the currency speculator who ranks high on the new Forbes magazine list of the richest Americans.

The tea party cut-the-government move- ment, born from similar if better-dressed rallies a few years back, is funded by other wealthy Americans, like the industrialist and antiregulation brothers Charles and David Koch, who rank just above Soros on Forbes' top 10.


http://www.philly.co...cmpid=124488429



PS. Should have been "MEN" in title now it sounds like one person not three men. DOh!
Again very Noble cause, but are we just doing the bidding of the wealthy?

#2 deadheadskier

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 04:25 PM

Aren't all 3 of those guys in line with Buffet stating that the rich need to pay more taxes and that wealth inequality is one of the biggest problems in America today?

Not sure I understand your point.

#3 seany

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 04:43 PM

Boy, whoever wrote that article doesn't believe in research, apparently.

Occupy Wall St. - the Canadian magazine and activist group, Adbusters, suggested in their magazine that people should occupy wall st. George Soros and the likes of moveon.org have had nothing to do with it. They're just trying to latch onto it.

Tea Party - again, not started by the Koch Bros., but they latched onto it and have since shaped it, financed it, fielded political candidates, run ads, etc.. Dick Armey's "Freedom Watch" was probably the earliest major financial supporter.

If Occupy Wall St goes the way of the Tea Party and gets co-opted by big $$, it will cease to be relevant in many people's minds.

#4 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 07:00 PM

Boy, whoever wrote that article doesn't believe in research, apparently.

Occupy Wall St. - the Canadian magazine and activist group, Adbusters, suggested in their magazine that people should occupy wall st. George Soros and the likes of moveon.org have had nothing to do with it. They're just trying to latch onto it.

Tea Party - again, not started by the Koch Bros., but they latched onto it and have since shaped it, financed it, fielded political candidates, run ads, etc.. Dick Armey's "Freedom Watch" was probably the earliest major financial supporter.

If Occupy Wall St goes the way of the Tea Party and gets co-opted by big $$, it will cease to be relevant in many people's minds.


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#5 DancingBearly

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:39 PM

Boy, whoever wrote that article doesn't believe in research, apparently.

Occupy Wall St. - the Canadian magazine and activist group, Adbusters, suggested in their magazine that people should occupy wall st. George Soros and the likes of moveon.org have had nothing to do with it. They're just trying to latch onto it.

Tea Party - again, not started by the Koch Bros., but they latched onto it and have since shaped it, financed it, fielded political candidates, run ads, etc.. Dick Armey's "Freedom Watch" was probably the earliest major financial supporter.

If Occupy Wall St goes the way of the Tea Party and gets co-opted by big $$, it will cease to be relevant in many people's minds.


This.

#6 Jwheelz

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 11:27 PM

Aren't all 3 of those guys in line with Buffet stating that the rich need to pay more taxes and that wealth inequality is one of the biggest problems in America today?

Not sure I understand your point.


Soros maybe, but Charles and David Koch are extremely influential in far-right politics, they definitely don't care about wealth inequality.

#7 concert andy

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 12:47 AM

If this was true, guess I was trying to say is wouldnt it be ironic to have two of the top 10 wealthiest people in the US as the starters of each "fringe" (left/right) extreme movement.

#8 seany

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 01:07 AM

It would be ironic, but it's not true in either case. The Tea party wasn't started by rich guys either. It was just co-opted by them - eventually... when they sae an I don't know who the writer of the article is or if he has an agenda, but - honestly - all you need to do is look at Wiki or Google and the forst 3 paragraphs of his article falls apart.

#9 TEO

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 01:17 AM

Where did the initial and continuing finances come from? Who owns the park?

#10 seany

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 01:51 AM

the park is privately owned. There were no finances to begin with. There really aren't finances now, that I know of. People are donating money to pay for printing, some pizzas, etc. They're not well-financed...

#11 TEO

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 01:52 AM

Who owns the private park?

#12 seany

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 01:58 AM

Who owns the private park?


http://en.wikipedia....i/Zuccotti_Park

#13 TEO

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 02:10 AM

Brookfield Office Properties Inc. (TSX: BPO, NYSE: BPO) is a North American commercial real estate company. Brookfield Asset Management owns 50% of its outstanding common shares. The company has its headquarter operations in New York City and Toronto.[2] Its New York City head office is on the 11th floor of the Three World Financial Center in Lower Manhattan, New York City, while their Toronto head office is located downtown in the Brookfield Place office complex, which encompasses an entire 5.2 acre city block and offers over 2,600,000 square feet (240,000 m2) of office space[3]
Brookfield owns, manages and develops office properties in the downtown core of New York City, Washington, D.C., Boston, Denver, Minneapolis, Toronto, Calgary, Ottawa, and Vancouver. Brookfield's properties include One Liberty Plaza and the World Financial Center in New York City; Brookfield Place (formerly BCE Place), First Canadian Place, and Queen's Quay Terminal in Toronto; Place de Ville and the John Edmunds Towers in Ottawa, Canadian Western Bank Place and Enbridge Tower in Edmonton; Suncor Energy Centre, Fifth Avenue Place, Altius Centre, Herald Building, and Bankers Hall in Calgary; and Royal Centre in Vancouver. It also operates real estate service businesses and has a land-development business primarily based in Canada.


:shocked: Reads like a big corporation.

#14 concert andy

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 02:17 AM

It would be ironic, but it's not true in either case. The Tea party wasn't started by rich guys either. It was just co-opted by them - eventually... when they sae an I don't know who the writer of the article is or if he has an agenda, but - honestly - all you need to do is look at Wiki or Google and the forst 3 paragraphs of his article falls apart.


I read this on Philly.com which is run by Philly Daily News and The Inquirer. I did assume the writer did research, but that is another problem in today's world.

Journalism for profit.

There is very little integrity left in the industry.

But i get off topic...

#15 china cat

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 02:59 AM

Brookfield Office Properties Inc. (TSX: BPO, NYSE: BPO) is a North American commercial real estate company. Brookfield Asset Management owns 50% of its outstanding common shares. The company has its headquarter operations in New York City and Toronto.[2] Its New York City head office is on the 11th floor of the Three World Financial Center in Lower Manhattan, New York City, while their Toronto head office is located downtown in the Brookfield Place office complex, which encompasses an entire 5.2 acre city block and offers over 2,600,000 square feet (240,000 m2) of office space[3]
Brookfield owns, manages and develops office properties in the downtown core of New York City, Washington, D.C., Boston, Denver, Minneapolis, Toronto, Calgary, Ottawa, and Vancouver. Brookfield's properties include One Liberty Plaza and the World Financial Center in New York City; Brookfield Place (formerly BCE Place), First Canadian Place, and Queen's Quay Terminal in Toronto; Place de Ville and the John Edmunds Towers in Ottawa, Canadian Western Bank Place and Enbridge Tower in Edmonton; Suncor Energy Centre, Fifth Avenue Place, Altius Centre, Herald Building, and Bankers Hall in Calgary; and Royal Centre in Vancouver. It also operates real estate service businesses and has a land-development business primarily based in Canada.


:shocked: Reads like a big corporation.


"The park was created as a public space in return for allowing the original owners to build a larger office tower in 1968."

The company has no ties to the protesters and actively seeks to have them removed.

#16 DancingBearly

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 04:42 AM

A public space created by a corporation in order to pacify the city; what a great place for the public to protest.

#17 TEO

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 01:02 PM

Interesting that Bloomberg said they cannot enforce a permit violation for the occupation as the park is "private" land.

#18 china cat

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 01:56 PM

my understanding: It is private land but it must be used as public space

#19 TEO

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 02:11 PM

The company has no ties to the protesters and actively seeks to have them removed.


:dunno:

#20 beerzrkr

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 02:53 PM

All efforts eventually get taken over by the folks who foot the bills. I do find it sad that each side started out the same way and for the same reason. Get the government out of bailing out private businesses. Yet if you are conservative leaning, you are a racist. If you are liberal leaning you are a true patriot. :huh:

#21 DancingBearly

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 03:27 AM

No one started out as a backlash to Obamacare.

#22 beerzrkr

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 01:31 PM

No one started out as a backlash to Obamacare.


If you are referring to the tea party, they actually started out protesting Bush’s bailouts and spending pre-Obama.

#23 concert andy

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 03:47 PM

All efforts eventually get taken over by the folks who foot the bills. I do find it sad that each side started out the same way and for the same reason. Get the government out of bailing out private businesses. Yet if you are conservative leaning, you are a racist. If you are liberal leaning you are a true patriot. :huh:


You are aware the only reason the government bailed these private companies out is so that unemployment did not sky rocket, meaning it was used to save jobs.

If they did not, unemployment would be climbing towards 30% today.

To big to fail, means tens of thousands of jobs lost. Not oh wow you have beenin business for 100 years, and is worth X so we should save you and the rich people who run this company.

#24 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 04:39 PM

Yes, govt promotes and funds moral hazard.

#25 beerzrkr

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 06:16 PM

Sure there would have been unemployment. It would have been short term and the markets would have corrected. Then the businesses that went under would have been bought out and new businesses run by people with new and better ideas would have moved in. Now we the government picking and choosing who stays afloat creating a long term stagnation that still needs to be propped up with tax dollars.

But, back to the thread, I agree. The tea party was hijacked by money as the occupiers will be.

#26 concert andy

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 07:58 PM

Sure there would have been unemployment. It would have been short term and the markets would have corrected. Then the businesses that went under would have been bought out and new businesses run by people with new and better ideas would have moved in. Now we the government picking and choosing who stays afloat creating a long term stagnation that still needs to be propped up with tax dollars.

But, back to the thread, I agree. The tea party was hijacked by money as the occupiers will be.


Not sure they picked and chose.

It was big banks, Chrysler, Fannie, Freddie and AIG.

The rest did fail.

Are you aware that many local and small banks failed during the meltdown?

Back to your point of the thread, Occupy better be careful or they will be a George Soros subsidy.

#27 concert andy

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 04:00 PM

http://news.yahoo.co...-110834998.html

Who's behind the Wall St. protests?


NEW YORK (Reuters) - Anti-Wall Street protesters say the rich are getting richer while average Americans suffer, but the group that started it all may have benefited indirectly from the largesse of one of the world's richest men.

There has been much speculation over who is financing the disparate protest, which has spread to cities across America and lasted nearly four weeks. One name that keeps coming up is investor George Soros, who in September debuted in the top 10 list of wealthiest Americans. Conservative critics contend the movement is a Trojan horse for a secret Soros agenda.

Soros and the protesters deny any connection. But Reuters did find indirect financial links between Soros and Adbusters, an anti-capitalist group in Canada which started the protests with an inventive marketing campaign aimed at sparking an Arab Spring type uprising against Wall Street. Moreover, Soros and the protesters share some ideological ground."I can understand their sentiment," Soros told reporters last week at the United Nations about the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations, which are expected to spur solidarity marches globally on Saturday.

Pressed further for his views on the movement and the protesters, Soros refused to be drawn in. But conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh summed up the speculation when he told his listeners last week, "George Soros money is behind this."
Soros, 81, is No. 7 on the Forbes 400 list with a fortune of $22 billion, which has ballooned in recent years as he deftly responded to financial market turmoil. He has pledged to give away all his wealth, half of it while he earns it and the rest when he dies. (even if not true, Rush is spreading the word that he is, so now the RIGHT thinks he is)

Like the protesters, Soros is no fan of the 2008 bank bailouts and subsequent government purchase of the toxic sub-prime mortgage assets they amassed in the property bubble.

The protesters say the Wall Street bank bailouts in 2008 left banks enjoying huge profits while average Americans suffered under high unemployment and job insecurity with little help from Washington. They contend that the richest 1 percent of Americans have amassed vast fortunes while being taxed at a lower rate than most people.

BANKING LIFE SUPPORT

Soros in 2009 wrote in an editorial that the purchase of toxic bank assets would, "provide artificial life support for the banks at considerable expense to the taxpayer."

He urged the Obama administration to take bolder action, either by recapitalizing or nationalizing the banks and forcing them to lend at attractive rates. His advice went unheeded.

The Hungarian-American was an early supporter of the 2008 election campaign of Barack Obama, who will seek a second term as president in the November, 2012, election. He has long backed liberal causes - the Open Society Institute, the foreign policy think tank Council on Foreign Relations and Human Rights Watch.

According to disclosure documents from 2007-2009, Soros' Open Society gave grants of $3.5 million to the Tides Center, a San Francisco-based group that acts almost like a clearing house for other donors, directing their contributions to liberal non-profit groups. Among others the Tides Center has partnered with are the Ford Foundation and the Gates Foundation.

Disclosure documents also show Tides, which declined comment, gave Adbusters grants of $185,000 from 2001-2010, including nearly $26,000 between 2007-2009.

Aides to Soros say any connection is tenuous and that Soros has never heard of Adbusters. Soros himself declined comment.

The Vancouver-based group, which publishes a magazine and runs such campaigns as "Digital Detox Week" and "Buy Nothing Day," says it wants to "change the way corporations wield power" and its goal is "to topple existing power structures."

SLOW START

Adbusters, whose magazine has a circulation of 120,000 and which is known for its spoofs of popular advertisements, came up with the Occupy Wall Street idea after Arab Spring protests toppled governments in Egypt, Libya and Tunisia, said Kalle Lasn, 69, Adbusters co-founder.

"It came out of these brainstorming sessions we have at Adbusters," Lasn told Reuters, adding they began promoting it online on July 13. "We were inspired by what happened in Tunisia and Egypt and we had this feeling that America was ripe for a Tahrir moment."

"We felt there was a real rage building up in America, and we thought that we would like to create a spark which would give expression for this rage."

Lasn said Adbusters is 95 percent funded by subscribers paying for the magazine. "George Soros's ideas are quite good, many of them. I wish he would give Adbusters some money, we sorely need it," he said. "He's never given us a penny."

Other support for Occupy Wall Street has come from online funding website Kickstarter, where more than $75,000 has been pledged, deliveries of food and from cash dropped in a bucket at the park. Liberal film maker Michael Moore has also pledged to donate money.

The protests began in earnest on September 17, triggered by an Adbusters campaign featuring a provocative poster showing a ballerina dancing atop the famous bronze bull in New York's financial district as a crowd of protesters wearing gas masks approach behind her.

Dressed in anarchist black, the battle-ready mob is shrouded in a fog suggestive of tear gas or fires burning. Some are wearing gas masks, others wielding sticks. The poster's message seems to be a heady combination of sexuality, violence, excitement and adventure.

Former carpenter Robert Daros, 23, saw that poster in a cafe in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Having lost his work as a carpenter after Florida's speculative construction boom collapsed in a heap of sub-prime mortgage foreclosures, he quit his job as a bartender and traveled to New York City with just a sleeping bag and the hope of joining the protest movement.

Daros was one of the first people to arrive on Wall Street for the so-called occupation on September 17, when protesters marched and tried to camp on Wall Street only to be driven off by police to Zuccotti Park - two acres of concrete without a blade of grass near the rising One World Trade Center.

"When I was a carpenter, I lost my job because the financier of my project was arrested for corporate fraud," said Daros, who was wearing a red arm band to show he was helping out in the medic section of the Occupy Wall Street camp.

Since its obscure beginnings, the campaign has drawn global media attention in places as far-flung as Iran and China. The Times of London, however, was not alone when it called the protests "Passionate but Pointless."

Adbusters' co-founder Lasn dismisses that, reeling off specific demands: a tax on the richest 1 percent, a tax on currency trades and a tax on all financial transactions.

"Down the road, there will be crystal clear demands coming out of this movement," he said. "But this first phase of the movement is messy and leaderless and demandless."

"I think it was perfect the way it happened."

#28 concert andy

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 04:56 PM

Point of this response, is perception is reality.

#29 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 06:46 PM

Good read andy