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#251 Dee2.0

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 06:48 PM

The General Assembly videos I've seen are just a bunch of chants and the crowd repeats. That's not productive. Is there an actual forum on the calendar where individuals can speak their mind?


What you hear are not chants. The use of megaphones is prohibited in the park and the only way to communicate information to such a large group is to use the people's mic -- one person speaks in short phrases, the people closest to them repeat what they said, people further away repeat so those further can hear, etc.

The GA is a combination of announcements and report-backs. There is always time for concerns and questions about specific issues which are being discussed, typically on proposals. After all concerns have been addressed there is then a vote via hand signals in an attempt to reach consensus. Any individual may attempt to block a vote.

You can join any working group and attend their meetings where you are free to speak your mind on that particular idea. With that enormous group of people it would be impossible to use the GA as a general ideas forum. Despite what you may believe, there is actually a very profound structure to it, unlike the chaos that random shouting would entail. You can also create your own working group to discuss whatever issues it is that you are trying to work through, and announce the time/meeting place to the GA.


#252 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 11:33 PM

http://www.towleroad...-detention.html

a transgender activist and Assistant Director of the Multicultural Center at Williams College, was arrested as part of the "Occupy Wall Street" protest on October 1 at the Brooklyn Bridge.

In a statement released to the public (read it below), Adkins details his mistreatment by the NYPD because of the fact that he is a transgender man. Adkins said he identified himself as transgender from the moment he was arrested. That, however, did not prevent a humiliating sequence of events from occurring which included a disrespectful genital pat down, being segregated from others arrested at the protest and being placed in a cell with violent criminals, being chained to the wall of the only working restroom in the jail for 8 hours. Being denied three requests for food while others at the protest were fed a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and water.

Writes Adkins:

At one point the woman (another protester) I had spoken with earlier was brought into use the toilet. When she entered the room she looked shocked and asked why I was attached to the railing. I told her again that it was the "transgender special". She clearly understood that I was being discriminated against because of my transgender status. She asked the female officer in the room why I couldn't be given my own cell and the officer said "you don't know why he is locked up here” the woman said that she did know and that I should at least be given my own cell if they were not going to house me with the male protestors I was originally arrested with.

Throughout the night it became clear that they wanted my fellow protestors to think that I did something criminally wrong. That I had done something different from them. That I was not just a peaceful protestor exercising my rights on that bridge. That I deserved to be handcuffed to a railing in the side of the precinct with violent criminals. Everyone seemed to wonder why I had been separated. When other officers chatted amongst themselves about why I was separated, one officer suspected aloud that I was a "ringleader". The woman officer stood a few times outside the glass wall with the door open as male officers asked about me. It appeared that she told them that I was transgender as they gawked, giggled and stared at me.

Adkins says he hopes that his story will shine some light on the lack of protocol regarding transgender people by the NYPD: "No one should experience the blatant discrimination and embarrassment that I did."

Read Adkins' statement, below.

Police Mistreatment of Transgender Man
http://www.scribd.co...Transgender-Man

#253 DancingBearly

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 11:45 PM

:clapping:

proposed list

http://www.washingto...-post-manifest/

wtf do you want from them? jesus christ. these are young americans sparking a conversation. it's been two fucking weeks. they have no one leader, they are voting, vetting out issues, debating together. some are misguided, many don't know all there is to know abut a lot of these issues - i certainly don't. these are highly complex issues. Most Americans don't know anything about these issues (ask the average person what the federal reserve is, you'll prolly get a blank stare. prolly)

side topic: the alex jones/Soro's linking, to me, is nonsense. What I saw was a few hundred people, sleeping under tarps, cold and wet. there was no Soro's money there. there was donated food and about 30k in donations from people around the world who support what OWS is trying to do.

maybe it will be co-opted. maybe it will be destroyed. plenty of folks here are cynics.

let's destroy civic engagement because those participating in it don't have all the solutions, they're too vague, they're protesting at the wrong location, they're using the word "demand" rather than "solution" :rolleyes:

why don't you become part of the solution then?

maybe you are - maybe you are politically active - please share what you are doing.



#254 robberry

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 12:05 AM

How does a drum circle or Michael Franti singing do anything?

I've talked to a few folks who just say "we need more people to do things."

General assembly is a joke.

#255 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 12:08 AM

What's your proposal?

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 12:27 AM

GA: we're marching tomorrow, Jeff Mangum is performing, civil disobedience is ok...

No one I've talked to has any idea of direct actions, or how to get involved.

#257 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 12:38 AM

What's your proposal?

#258 Dee2.0

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 01:34 AM

[quote name='TakeAStepBack']http://www.towleroad...-detention.html

a transgender activist and Assistant Director of the Multicultural Center at Williams College, was arrested as part of the "Occupy Wall Street" protest on October 1 at the Brooklyn Bridge.

In a statement released to the public (read it below), Adkins details his mistreatment by the NYPD because of the fact that he is a transgender man. Adkins said he identified himself as transgender from the moment he was arrested. That, however, did not prevent a humiliating sequence of events from occurring which included a disrespectful genital pat down, being segregated from others arrested at the protest and being placed in a cell with violent criminals, being chained to the wall of the only working restroom in the jail for 8 hours. Being denied three requests for food while others at the protest were fed a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and water.

Writes Adkins:

At one point the woman (another protester) I had spoken with earlier was brought into use the toilet. When she entered the room she looked shocked and asked why I was attached to the railing. I told her again that it was the "transgender special". She clearly understood that I was being discriminated against because of my transgender status. She asked the female officer in the room why I couldn't be given my own cell and the officer said "you don't know why he is locked up here

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 01:50 AM

rob, honestly, go to a ga dont ask ppl wat its about. you live in the city, ga's happen twice a day everyday. im SURE you can find time to get down there. if you do, i promise your questions will be answered. its a fuck ton more organized than u seem to think.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 02:11 AM

What's your proposal?


This list of demands makes sense:

LIST OF PROPOSED "DEMANDS FOR CONGRESS"

CONGRESS PASS HR 1489 ("RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT" http://www.govtrack....?bill=h112-1489 ). THIS REINSTATES MANY PROVISIONS OF THE GLASS-STEAGALL ACT. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass

#261 robberry

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 02:21 AM

rob, honestly, go to a ga dont ask ppl wat its about. you live in the city, ga's happen twice a day everyday. im SURE you can find time to get down there. if you do, i promise your questions will be answered. its a fuck ton more organized than u seem to think.


I did go to the GA tonight. There was a big drum circle on one side, and then Franti playing on the other.

When asked where the direct action committees were, no one knew, and said just walk around and talk to people. Everyone had their own agenda.




I will propose to contact your senator and your congressman to tell them the list of demands.

Congressmen

Alabama

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
1 Bonner, Jo R 2236 RHOB 202-225-4931 Ethics, Chairman
Appropriations
2 Roby, Martha R 414 CHOB 202-225-2901 Agriculture
Armed Services
Education and the Workforce
3 Rogers (AL), Mike R 324 CHOB 202-225-3261 Armed Services
Homeland Security
4 Aderholt, Robert R 2264 RHOB 202-225-4876 Appropriations
5 Brooks, Mo R 1641 LHOB 202-225-4801 Armed Services
Homeland Security
Science, Space, and Technology
6 Bachus, Spencer R 2246 RHOB 202-225-4921 Financial Services, Chairman
7 Sewell, Terri A. D 1133 LHOB 202-225-2665 Agriculture
Science, Space, and Technology
Alaska

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
At Large Young, Don R 2314 RHOB 202-225-5765 Natural Resources
Transportation and Infrastructure
American Samoa

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
At Large Faleomavaega, Eni F. H. D 2422 RHOB 202-225-8577 Foreign Affairs
Natural Resources
Arizona

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
1 Gosar, Paul R. R 504 CHOB 202-225-2315 Natural Resources
Oversight and Government Reform
2 Franks, Trent R 2435 RHOB 202-225-4576 Armed Services
Judiciary
3 Quayle, Ben R 1419 LHOB 202-225-3361 Homeland Security
Judiciary
Science, Space, and Technology
4 Pastor, Ed D 2465 RHOB 202-225-4065 Appropriations
5 Schweikert, David R 1205 LHOB 202-225-2190 Financial Services
6 Flake, Jeff R 240 CHOB 202-225-2635 Appropriations
7 Grijalva, Raul D 1511 LHOB 202-225-2435 Education and the Workforce
Natural Resources
8 Giffords, Gabrielle D 1030 LHOB 202-225-2542 Armed Services
Science, Space, and Technology
Arkansas

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
1 Crawford, Rick R 1408 LHOB 202-225-4076 Agriculture
Transportation and Infrastructure
2 Griffin, Tim R 1232 LHOB 202-225-2506 Armed Services
Foreign Affairs
Judiciary
3 Womack, Steve R 1508 LHOB 202-225-4301 Appropriations
4 Ross, Mike D 2436 RHOB 202-225-3772 Energy and Commerce
California

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
1 Thompson, Mike D 231 CHOB 202-225-3311 Ways and Means
Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
2 Herger, Wally R 242 CHOB 202-225-3076 Ways and Means
3 Lungren, Daniel E. R 2313 RHOB 202-225-5716 House Administration, Chairman
Homeland Security
Judiciary
4 McClintock, Tom R 428 CHOB 202-225-2511 Budget
Natural Resources
5 Matsui, Doris O. D 222 CHOB 202-225-7163 Energy and Commerce
6 Woolsey, Lynn D 2263 RHOB 202-225-5161 Education and the Workforce
Science, Space, and Technology
7 Miller, George D 2205 RHOB 202-225-2095 Education and the Workforce
8 Pelosi, Nancy D 235 CHOB 202-225-4965 Democratic Leader
9 Lee, Barbara D 2267 RHOB 202-225-2661 Appropriations
10 Garamendi, John D 228 CHOB 202-225-1880 Armed Services
Natural Resources
11 McNerney, Jerry D 1210 LHOB 202-225-1947 Science, Space, and Technology
Veterans' Affairs
12 Speier, Jackie D 211 CHOB 202-225-3531 Homeland Security
Oversight and Government Reform
13 Stark, Fortney Pete D 239 CHOB 202-225-5065 Ways and Means
14 Eshoo, Anna G. D 205 CHOB 202-225-8104 Energy and Commerce
15 Honda, Mike D 1713 LHOB 202-225-2631 Appropriations
Budget
16 Lofgren, Zoe D 1401 LHOB 202-225-3072 House Administration
Judiciary
Science, Space, and Technology
17 Farr, Sam D 1126 LHOB 202-225-2861 Appropriations
18 Cardoza, Dennis D 2437 RHOB 202-225-6131 Agriculture
Foreign Affairs
19 Denham, Jeff R 1605 LHOB 202-225-4540 Natural Resources
Transportation and Infrastructure
Veterans' Affairs
20 Costa, Jim D 1314 LHOB 202-225-3341 Agriculture
Natural Resources
21 Nunes, Devin R 1013 LHOB 202-225-2523 Ways and Means
Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
22 McCarthy, Kevin R 326 CHOB 202-225-2915 Majority Whip
Financial Services
23 Capps, Lois D 2231 RHOB 202-225-3601 Energy and Commerce
24 Gallegly, Elton R 2309 RHOB 202-225-5811 Foreign Affairs
Judiciary
25 McKeon, Buck R 2184 RHOB 202-225-1956 Armed Services, Chairman
Education and the Workforce
26 Dreier, David R 233 CHOB 202-225-2305 Rules, Chairman
27 Sherman, Brad D 2242 RHOB 202-225-5911 Financial Services
Foreign Affairs
28 Berman, Howard D 2221 RHOB 202-225-4695 Foreign Affairs
Judiciary
29 Schiff, Adam D 2411 RHOB 202-225-4176 Appropriations
Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
30 Waxman, Henry D 2204 RHOB 202-225-3976 Energy and Commerce
31 Becerra, Xavier D 1226 LHOB 202-225-6235 Ways and Means
32 Chu, Judy D 1520 LHOB 202-225-5464 Judiciary
Small Business
33 Bass, Karen D 408 CHOB 202-225-7084 Budget
Foreign Affairs
34 Roybal-Allard, Lucille D 2330 RHOB 202-225-1766 Appropriations
35 Waters, Maxine D 2344 RHOB 202-225-2201 Financial Services
Judiciary
36 Hahn, Janice D 2400 RHOB 202-225-8220
37 Richardson, Laura D 1330 LHOB 202-225-7924 Homeland Security
Transportation and Infrastructure
38 Napolitano, Grace D 1610 LHOB 202-225-5256 Natural Resources
Transportation and Infrastructure
39 Sanchez, Linda D 2423 RHOB 202-225-6676 Ethics
Judiciary
Veterans' Affairs
40 Royce, Ed R 2185 RHOB 202-225-4111 Financial Services
Foreign Affairs
41 Lewis, Jerry R 2112 RHOB 202-225-5861 Appropriations
42 Miller, Gary R 2349 RHOB 202-225-3201 Financial Services
Transportation and Infrastructure
43 Baca, Joe D 2366 RHOB 202-225-6161 Agriculture
Financial Services
44 Calvert, Ken R 2269 RHOB 202-225-1986 Appropriations
Budget
45 Bono, Mary R 104 CHOB 202-225-5330 Energy and Commerce
46 Rohrabacher, Dana R 2300 RHOB 202-225-2415 Foreign Affairs
Science, Space, and Technology
47 Sanchez, Loretta D 1114 LHOB 202-225-2965 Armed Services
Homeland Security
48 Campbell, John R 1507 LHOB 202-225-5611 Budget
Financial Services
49 Issa, Darrell R 2347 RHOB 202-225-3906 Oversight and Government Reform, Chairman
Judiciary
50 Bilbray, Brian P. R 2410 RHOB 202-225-0508 Energy and Commerce
51 Filner, Bob D 2428 RHOB 202-225-8045 Transportation and Infrastructure
Veterans' Affairs
52 Hunter, Duncan D. R 223 CHOB 202-225-5672 Armed Services
Education and the Workforce
Transportation and Infrastructure
53 Davis, Susan D 1526 LHOB 202-225-2040 Armed Services
Education and the Workforce
Colorado

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
1 DeGette, Diana D 2335 RHOB 202-225-4431 Energy and Commerce
2 Polis, Jared D 501 CHOB 202-225-2161 Rules
3 Tipton, Scott R 218 CHOB 202-225-4761 Agriculture
Natural Resources
Small Business
4 Gardner, Cory R 213 CHOB 202-225-4676 Energy and Commerce
5 Lamborn, Doug R 437 CHOB 202-225-4422 Armed Services
Natural Resources
Veterans' Affairs
6 Coffman, Mike R 1222 LHOB 202-225-7882 Armed Services
Natural Resources
Small Business
7 Perlmutter, Ed D 1221 LHOB 202-225-2645 Financial Services
Connecticut

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
1 Larson, John B. D 1501 LHOB 202-225-2265 Ways and Means
2 Courtney, Joe D 215 CHOB 202-225-2076 Agriculture
Armed Services
Ethics
3 DeLauro, Rosa L. D 2413 RHOB 202-225-3661 Appropriations
4 Himes, Jim D 119 CHOB 202-225-5541 Financial Services
5 Murphy, Christopher S. D 412 CHOB 202-225-4476 Foreign Affairs
Oversight and Government Reform
Delaware

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
At Large Carney, John D 1429 LHOB 202-225-4165 Financial Services
District of Columbia

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
At Large Norton, Eleanor Holmes D 2136 RHOB 202-225-8050 Oversight and Government Reform
Transportation and Infrastructure
Florida

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
1 Miller, Jeff R 2416 RHOB 202-225-4136 Veterans' Affairs, Chairman
Armed Services
Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
2 Southerland, Steve R 1229 LHOB 202-225-5235 Agriculture
Natural Resources
Transportation and Infrastructure
3 Brown, Corrine D 2336 RHOB 202-225-0123 Transportation and Infrastructure
Veterans' Affairs
4 Crenshaw, Ander R 440 CHOB 202-225-2501 Appropriations
5 Nugent, Richard R 1517 LHOB 202-225-1002 House Administration
Rules
6 Stearns, Cliff R 2306 RHOB 202-225-5744 Energy and Commerce
Veterans' Affairs
7 Mica, John R 2187 RHOB 202-225-4035 Transportation and Infrastructure, Chairman
Oversight and Government Reform
8 Webster, Daniel R 1039 LHOB 202-225-2176 Rules
9 Bilirakis, Gus M. R 407 CHOB 202-225-5755 Foreign Affairs
Homeland Security
Veterans' Affairs
10 Young, C.W. Bill R 2407 RHOB 202-225-5961 Appropriations
11 Castor, Kathy D 137 CHOB 202-225-3376 Budget
Energy and Commerce
12 Ross, Dennis R 404 CHOB 202-225-1252 Education and the Workforce
Judiciary
Oversight and Government Reform
13 Buchanan, Vern R 221 CHOB 202-225-5015 Ways and Means
14 Mack, Connie R 115 CHOB 202-225-2536 Foreign Affairs
Oversight and Government Reform
15 Posey, Bill R 120 CHOB 202-225-3671 Financial Services
16 Rooney, Tom R 1529 LHOB 202-225-5792 Agriculture
Armed Services
Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
17 Wilson, Frederica D 208 CHOB 202-225-4506 Foreign Affairs
Science, Space, and Technology
18 Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana R 2206 RHOB 202-225-3931 Foreign Affairs, Chairman
19 Deutch, Ted D 1024 LHOB 202-225-3001 Foreign Affairs
Judiciary
20 Wasserman Schultz, Debbie D 118 CHOB 202-225-7931 Budget
Judiciary
21 Diaz-Balart, Mario R 436 CHOB 202-225-4211 Appropriations
22 West, Allen R 1708 LHOB 202-225-3026 Armed Services
Small Business
23 Hastings, Alcee L. D 2353 RHOB 202-225-1313 Rules
24 Adams, Sandy R 216 CHOB 202-225-2706 Judiciary
Science, Space, and Technology
25 Rivera, David R 417 CHOB 202-225-2778 Foreign Affairs
Natural Resources
Georgia

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
1 Kingston, Jack R 2372 RHOB 202-225-5831 Appropriations
2 Bishop Jr., Sanford D. D 2429 RHOB 202-225-3631 Appropriations
3 Westmoreland, Lynn A. R 2433 RHOB 202-225-5901 Financial Services
Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
4 Johnson, Henry C. "Hank" Jr. D 1427 LHOB 202-225-1605 Armed Services
Judiciary
5 Lewis, John D 343 CHOB 202-225-3801 Ways and Means
6 Price, Tom R 403 CHOB 202-225-4501 Budget
Ways and Means
7 Woodall, Robert R 1725 LHOB 202-225-4272 Budget
Rules
8 Scott, Austin R 516 CHOB 202-225-6531 Agriculture
Armed Services
9 Graves, Tom R 1113 LHOB 202-225-5211 Appropriations
10 Broun, Paul C. R 325 CHOB 202-225-4101 Homeland Security
Natural Resources
Science, Space, and Technology
11 Gingrey, Phil R 442 CHOB 202-225-2931 Energy and Commerce
House Administration
12 Barrow, John D 2202 RHOB 202-225-2823 Energy and Commerce
Veterans' Affairs
13 Scott, David D 225 CHOB 202-225-2939 Agriculture
Financial Services
Guam

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
At Large Bordallo, Madeleine D 2441 RHOB 202-225-1188 Armed Services
Natural Resources
Hawaii

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
1 Hanabusa, Colleen D 238 CHOB 202-225-2726 Armed Services
Natural Resources
2 Hirono, Mazie K. D 1410 LHOB 202-225-4906 Education and the Workforce
Transportation and Infrastructure
Idaho

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
1 Labrador, Raul R. R 1523 LHOB 202-225-6611 Natural Resources
Oversight and Government Reform
2 Simpson, Mike R 2312 RHOB 202-225-5531 Appropriations
Budget
Illinois

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
1 Rush, Bobby L. D 2268 RHOB 202-225-4372 Energy and Commerce
2 Jackson Jr., Jesse L. D 2419 RHOB 202-225-0773 Appropriations
3 Lipinski, Daniel D 1717 LHOB 202-225-5701 Science, Space, and Technology
Transportation and Infrastructure
4 Gutierrez, Luis D 2266 RHOB 202-225-8203 Financial Services
Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
5 Quigley, Mike D 1124 LHOB 202-225-4061 Judiciary
Oversight and Government Reform
6 Roskam, Peter J. R 227 CHOB 202-225-4561 Ways and Means
7 Davis, Danny K. D 2159 RHOB 202-225-5006 Homeland Security
Oversight and Government Reform
8 Walsh, Joe R 432 CHOB 202-225-3711 Homeland Security
Oversight and Government Reform
Small Business
9 Schakowsky, Jan D 2367 RHOB 202-225-2111 Energy and Commerce
Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
10 Dold, Robert R 212 CHOB 202-225-4835 Financial Services
11 Kinzinger, Adam R 1218 LHOB 202-225-3635 Energy and Commerce
12 Costello, Jerry D 2408 RHOB 202-225-5661 Science, Space, and Technology
Transportation and Infrastructure
13 Biggert, Judy R 2113 RHOB 202-225-3515 Education and the Workforce
Financial Services
Science, Space, and Technology
14 Hultgren, Randy R 427 CHOB 202-225-2976 Agriculture
Science, Space, and Technology
Transportation and Infrastructure
15 Johnson, Timothy V. R 1207 LHOB 202-225-2371 Agriculture
Transportation and Infrastructure
16 Manzullo, Donald R 2228 RHOB 202-225-5676 Financial Services
Foreign Affairs
17 Schilling, Bobby R 507 CHOB 202-225-5905 Agriculture
Armed Services
18 Schock, Aaron R 328 CHOB 202-225-6201 House Administration
Ways and Means
19 Shimkus, John R 2452 RHOB 202-225-5271 Energy and Commerce
Indiana

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
1 Visclosky, Peter D 2256 RHOB 202-225-2461 Appropriations
2 Donnelly, Joe D 1530 LHOB 202-225-3915 Financial Services
Veterans' Affairs
3 Stutzman, Marlin R 1728 LHOB 202-225-4436 Agriculture
Budget
Veterans' Affairs
4 Rokita, Todd R 236 CHOB 202-225-5037 Budget
Education and the Workforce
House Administration
5 Burton, Dan R 2308 RHOB 202-225-2276 Foreign Affairs
Oversight and Government Reform
6 Pence, Mike R 100 CHOB 202-225-3021 Foreign Affairs
Judiciary
7 Carson, Andr

#262 DancingBearly

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 02:34 AM

Rob those avenues have been used to no avail. They only care about being re-elected and that's where the $ come in. Surprised they have not called for term limits too.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 02:35 AM

[quote name='robzombie']I did go to the GA tonight. There was a big drum circle on one side, and then Franti playing on the other.

When asked where the direct action committees were, no one knew, and said just walk around and talk to people. Everyone had their own agenda.





I will propose to contact your senator and your congressman to tell them the list of demands.

Congressmen

Alabama

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
1 Bonner, Jo R 2236 RHOB 202-225-4931 Ethics, Chairman
Appropriations
2 Roby, Martha R 414 CHOB 202-225-2901 Agriculture
Armed Services
Education and the Workforce
3 Rogers (AL), Mike R 324 CHOB 202-225-3261 Armed Services
Homeland Security
4 Aderholt, Robert R 2264 RHOB 202-225-4876 Appropriations
5 Brooks, Mo R 1641 LHOB 202-225-4801 Armed Services
Homeland Security
Science, Space, and Technology
6 Bachus, Spencer R 2246 RHOB 202-225-4921 Financial Services, Chairman
7 Sewell, Terri A. D 1133 LHOB 202-225-2665 Agriculture
Science, Space, and Technology
Alaska

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
At Large Young, Don R 2314 RHOB 202-225-5765 Natural Resources
Transportation and Infrastructure
American Samoa

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
At Large Faleomavaega, Eni F. H. D 2422 RHOB 202-225-8577 Foreign Affairs
Natural Resources
Arizona

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
1 Gosar, Paul R. R 504 CHOB 202-225-2315 Natural Resources
Oversight and Government Reform
2 Franks, Trent R 2435 RHOB 202-225-4576 Armed Services
Judiciary
3 Quayle, Ben R 1419 LHOB 202-225-3361 Homeland Security
Judiciary
Science, Space, and Technology
4 Pastor, Ed D 2465 RHOB 202-225-4065 Appropriations
5 Schweikert, David R 1205 LHOB 202-225-2190 Financial Services
6 Flake, Jeff R 240 CHOB 202-225-2635 Appropriations
7 Grijalva, Raul D 1511 LHOB 202-225-2435 Education and the Workforce
Natural Resources
8 Giffords, Gabrielle D 1030 LHOB 202-225-2542 Armed Services
Science, Space, and Technology
Arkansas

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
1 Crawford, Rick R 1408 LHOB 202-225-4076 Agriculture
Transportation and Infrastructure
2 Griffin, Tim R 1232 LHOB 202-225-2506 Armed Services
Foreign Affairs
Judiciary
3 Womack, Steve R 1508 LHOB 202-225-4301 Appropriations
4 Ross, Mike D 2436 RHOB 202-225-3772 Energy and Commerce
California

District Name Party Room Phone Committee Assignment
1 Thompson, Mike D 231 CHOB 202-225-3311 Ways and Means
Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
2 Herger, Wally R 242 CHOB 202-225-3076 Ways and Means
3 Lungren, Daniel E. R 2313 RHOB 202-225-5716 House Administration, Chairman
Homeland Security
Judiciary
4 McClintock, Tom R 428 CHOB 202-225-2511 Budget
Natural Resources
5 Matsui, Doris O. D 222 CHOB 202-225-7163 Energy and Commerce
6 Woolsey, Lynn D 2263 RHOB 202-225-5161 Education and the Workforce
Science, Space, and Technology
7 Miller, George D 2205 RHOB 202-225-2095 Education and the Workforce
8 Pelosi, Nancy D 235 CHOB 202-225-4965 Democratic Leader
9 Lee, Barbara D 2267 RHOB 202-225-2661 Appropriations
10 Garamendi, John D 228 CHOB 202-225-1880 Armed Services
Natural Resources
11 McNerney, Jerry D 1210 LHOB 202-225-1947 Science, Space, and Technology
Veterans' Affairs
12 Speier, Jackie D 211 CHOB 202-225-3531 Homeland Security
Oversight and Government Reform
13 Stark, Fortney Pete D 239 CHOB 202-225-5065 Ways and Means
14 Eshoo, Anna G. D 205 CHOB 202-225-8104 Energy and Commerce
15 Honda, Mike D 1713 LHOB 202-225-2631 Appropriations
Budget
16 Lofgren, Zoe D 1401 LHOB 202-225-3072 House Administration
Judiciary
Science, Space, and Technology
17 Farr, Sam D 1126 LHOB 202-225-2861 Appropriations
18 Cardoza, Dennis D 2437 RHOB 202-225-6131 Agriculture
Foreign Affairs
19 Denham, Jeff R 1605 LHOB 202-225-4540 Natural Resources
Transportation and Infrastructure
Veterans' Affairs
20 Costa, Jim D 1314 LHOB 202-225-3341 Agriculture
Natural Resources
21 Nunes, Devin R 1013 LHOB 202-225-2523 Ways and Means
Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
22 McCarthy, Kevin R 326 CHOB 202-225-2915 Majority Whip
Financial Services
23 Capps, Lois D 2231 RHOB 202-225-3601 Energy and Commerce
24 Gallegly, Elton R 2309 RHOB 202-225-5811 Foreign Affairs
Judiciary
25 McKeon, Buck R 2184 RHOB 202-225-1956 Armed Services, Chairman
Education and the Workforce
26 Dreier, David R 233 CHOB 202-225-2305 Rules, Chairman
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#264 china cat

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 02:38 AM

[quote name='robzombie']This list of demands makes sense:

LIST OF PROPOSED "DEMANDS FOR CONGRESS"

CONGRESS PASS HR 1489 ("RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT" http://www.govtrack....?bill=h112-1489 ). THIS REINSTATES MANY PROVISIONS OF THE GLASS-STEAGALL ACT. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Act"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass

#265 Sunshower

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 02:48 AM

proposed list

http://www.washingto...-post-manifest/

wtf do you want from them? jesus christ. these are young americans sparking a conversation. it's been two fucking weeks. they have no one leader, they are voting, vetting out issues, debating together. some are misguided, many don't know all there is to know abut a lot of these issues - i certainly don't. these are highly complex issues. Most Americans don't know anything about these issues (ask the average person what the federal reserve is, you'll prolly get a blank stare. prolly)

side topic: the alex jones/Soro's linking, to me, is nonsense. What I saw was a few hundred people, sleeping under tarps, cold and wet. there was no Soro's money there. there was donated food and about 30k in donations from people around the world who support what OWS is trying to do.

maybe it will be co-opted. maybe it will be destroyed. plenty of folks here are cynics.

let's destroy civic engagement because those participating in it don't have all the solutions, they're too vague, they're protesting at the wrong location, they're using the word "demand" rather than "solution" :rolleyes:

why don't you become part of the solution then?

maybe you are - maybe you are politically active - please share what you are doing.


This!

#266 robberry

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 02:48 AM

fair enough, i take that back then. although i will say tht the ga on saturday night was a lot more organized than tonights seems to have been.


What was proposed on Saturday?


Ever see the Die Hippie Die episode of South Park:

Stan: So it seems like we have enough people now. When do we start taking down the corporations?
Hippie (takes a drag on his joint): Yeah man, the corporations. Right now they

#267 DancingBearly

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 02:51 AM

Plus Rob now you say this set of demands make sence when a page or two back you said the same list was to vague and broad. :dunno:

#268 Sunshower

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 02:51 AM

So many years of lies, corruption and deceit and it totally blows my mind that I am still hearing all the time "What is their solution?" What is YOUR solution? Do you have one in mind? The fact that active debating and open conversation and and exchange of ideas is actually taking place makes me believe that this is not only necessary but LONG overdue!

#269 robberry

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 02:59 AM

Rob, the first is the demands, the second is a list of grievances (some of which I, just, ??? ex: "They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.")


A transparent government, one in which EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN gets to vote on bills would another way this could achieved. That's not going to happen, because the government would lose too much power.

Elected officials have never been for the people by the people, as everyone has their own agenda.

I do believe in ending all of the foreign wars and using that money to increase domestic defense, cut government salaries and reenact the WPA to create much needed jobs while increasing our systems.

I also think that healthcare should be free, but that is a long ways away with a Supreme Court decision months away.

Capitalism is what we all "believe" in, but it just doesn't seem to work. That's pretty much the premise for every complaint being spoken. Maybe it's time to try Socialism...

#270 DancingBearly

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 03:02 AM

Well Germany has a mixture of both and seems to be doing very well.

#271 robberry

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 03:02 AM

Plus Rob now you say this set of demands make sence when a page or two back you said the same list was to vague and broad. :dunno:


Well, it's better than the list of grievances, so I suppose it's the lesser of two evils. Democracy at its finest. :lol:

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 03:24 AM

A transparent government, one in which EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN gets to vote on bills would another way this could achieved. That's not going to happen, because the government would lose too much power.

Elected officials have never been for the people by the people, as everyone has their own agenda.

I do believe in ending all of the foreign wars and using that money to increase domestic defense, cut government salaries and reenact the WPA to create much needed jobs while increasing our systems.

I also think that healthcare should be free, but that is a long ways away with a Supreme Court decision months away.

Capitalism is what we all "believe" in, but it just doesn't seem to work. That's pretty much the premise for every complaint being spoken. Maybe it's time to try Socialism...


Those aren't solutions, they're ideas. How do you propose that we get the wars ended? How do you propose that we create free healthcare?

How is any of that different than the conversations that are happening downtown?


#273 robberry

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 03:53 AM

Those aren't solutions, they're ideas. How do you propose that we get the wars ended? How do you propose that we create free healthcare?

How is any of that different than the conversations that are happening downtown?


Create a national database and that allows every citizen to propose and vote on issues. Bills that a majority of the citizens approve would be enacted into law.

Cut government salaries by 10% across the board. There are about two million government employees. The private sector is being cut left and right, why should government employees be any different?

Take some of that money and create a new WPA to create roads, schools, a national grid of internet, etc.

Just pull out and bring our troops home. Bam, there's $700B a year at our disposal. Let them fight it out for themselves. Most don't want us there anyway, I guess except for S. Korea.

Use money cut from foreign wars for domestic security and healthcare. I think most of us would be ok with paying co-pays.

#274 DancingBearly

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 09:10 AM

:cool:

Create a national database and that allows every citizen to propose and vote on issues. Bills that a majority of the citizens approve would be enacted into law.I think by majority we could tell our "representative " in congress how to vote on an issue would work also

Cut government salaries by 10% across the board. There are about two million government employees. The private sector is being cut left and right, why should government employees be any different?

Take some of that money and create a new WPA to create roads, schools, a national grid of internet, etc.yes our whole system is crumbling from sewers on up

Just pull out and bring our troops home. Bam, there's $700B a year at our disposal. Let them fight it out for themselves. Most don't want us there anyway, I guess except for S. Korea.the only reason I singled out S. Korea is that we have been there so long it's symbiotic now. We (GI's) are major part of their economy. Plus it gives us strategic presence in the Asia arena

Use money cut from foreign wars for domestic security and healthcare. I think most of us would be ok with paying co-pays.



#275 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 11:12 AM

Rob, the first is the demands, the second is a list of grievances (some of which I, just, ??? ex: "They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.")


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#276 hoagie

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 04:39 PM

the author of that article should have reported on this man's words.



#277 robberry

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 04:58 PM

Occupy Wall Street Is Like a Parody of a Protest
http://www.huffingto...y_b_995417.html

"Stan: Uh, excuse me. Excuse me, can I have your attention please? What are we doing? [the crowd quiets down] It's been nine days! Doesn't it seem like we should accomplish something?
A hippie: We're using the power of rock and roll to change the world! Woo! [the crowd cheers]

Stan: Maybe instead of complaining about corporations being selfish, we should look at ourselves. I mean, is there anything more selfish than doing nothing but getting high and listening to music all day long?

Singer: He's right. It's time for all of us to focus our energy and get this hippie jam into full swing. [the band starts up again. They missed his point entirely. Stan just turns right and walks away]." -- South Park, "Die Hippie, Die"


The greatest thing about the Occupy Wall Street protest is that it's practically a live re-enactment of the hippie jam festival from South Park. You have a bunch of hippies, stoners, and left-wing tag-alongs protesting Wall Street in order to... well, nobody seems to know.

Best I can tell, the idea seems to be that a bunch of over-educated, under-motivated leftie airheads are going to camp out in New York and occasionally block traffic to keep people who are working from getting home until America becomes the Soviet Union circa 1970.

Getting beyond that, let's look at what we have going on. We have a bunch of left-wingers using phones made by corporations to tweet about people like Michael Moore showing up to cheer them on or George Soros giving them the thumbs up. Of course, Moore and Soros are both filthy rich because they worked with exactly the sort of corporations the protesters are complaining about. Moreover, who are these protesters going to vote for in 2012? Barack Obama, who has given billions of taxpayer dollars to corporations that support him politically. Additionally, the unions are starting to get involved, including the UAW, which owns more than half of Chrysler, which is one of the companies on Wall Street that the protesters are theoretically protesting. It's like a puppet show where the corporations are on both sides and most of the protesters have no idea they're in a show. No one has fought the power this effectively since Rage Against the Machine signed with Sony.

Know what would actually impress me -- well, a little? If these putzes were walking around shoeless, in rags, saying that they'd rather go back to living in mud huts instead of continuing to rely on the products made by these corporations.

Of course, there could be another solution. Maybe Wall Street can come up with some way to make being a lazy hippie pay by hiring the protesters. There's not a big market for chanting mindless slogans over and over since the tape recorder hit the market which, naturally, was made possible by the corporations. What else can hippies do? Human paper weights maybe?

Ah anyway, in the interim, while all you Occupy Wall Street dirt hippies are waiting for your own personal Lenin to take America into the promised land, take some showers, stay out of traffic, and make sure to send out some resumes. (PS: Helpful hint -- don't mention that you were at the Occupy Wall Street protests to any potential employers!)

PS: The Occupy Wall Street Protests look almost as white as Netroots Nation. Are the activists there racists who are making black Americans feel uncomfortable? That's the line of reasoning that's used against the Tea Party and percentage-wise, there should be 9 times more black Americans at an event like Occupy Wall Street than a Tea Party, instead of the racial breakdown looking about the same.


I swear I thought of this comparison on my own. :lol:

#278 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 05:02 PM

Demosoros dont want to end the fed. They want obrahma reelected in pursuit of bigger gov.

#279 vic

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 05:09 PM

Demosoros dont want to end the fed. They want obrahma reelected in pursuit of bigger gov.

#280 vic

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 07:27 PM

Goldman’s hired guns also work for the N.Y.P.D.

By Julie Shapiro

They look like police officers and they act like police officers — but the off-duty cops guarding Goldman Sachs’ new headquarters are being paid by Goldman, not the city.

Goldman hired the N.Y.P.D. detail a few months ago, when the bank’s new 43-story tower opened in Battery Park City. The officers wear navy N.Y.P.D. uniforms and carry guns, but their instructions and paychecks come from Goldman.

“That’s shocking,” said Linda Belfer, a longtime neighborhood resident and chairperson of Community Board 1’s B.P.C. Committee. “I have no problem with [the officers] moonlighting, but I’m a little taken aback that they’re allowed to do that with their uniforms and with their guns. The impression they’re giving is that they’re police officers.”

Belfer said she thought many local residents would be surprised to find out that the four officers regularly stationed outside of Goldman’s headquarters are not working for the N.Y.P.D.

The only way to find out the difference is to ask them — which is what John Jiler did recently after Jake, his 13-year-old son, and some other local teens were reprimanded by the officers. Jake and his friends were hanging out between the Goldman building and the adjacent Regal movie theater a couple of weeks ago after school, trying to decide if they wanted to see a movie, when one of the officers told them to move along.

“The police officer said, ‘Kids, school’s over, you have to go home,’” Jake recalled this week. “It was just kind of weird. None of us tried to argue — we didn’t want to get in trouble. [The officer] seemed kind of angry and I don’t know why.”

Disturbed by his son’s story, Jiler went down to talk to the officers himself, and discovered that they were working for Goldman.

“It doesn’t seem kosher to me,” Jiler said. “I don’t think off-duty police officers should be hired and should be wearing police badges and guns. Can I hire a couple of cops and tell them to do whatever I want them to do? Especially in a public space, it just doesn’t feel right.”

Jiler added that the officers seem to just want to keep the area “corporate clean,” and he called their action an example of the “sanitation of Tribeca.”

Andrea Raphael, a Goldman spokesperson, said only, “We have never given any instructions to any of our security detail to keep public spaces clear.”

Raphael declined to comment further, citing Goldman’s policy of not discussing security.

But an off-duty officer outside Goldman this week said he was told to watch for suspicious packages or unauthorized people trying to enter the building. Goldman was particularly concerned about protestors a few months ago, during the backlash against the firm’s billions of dollars in bonuses, said the officer, who did not give his name.

When told of Jiler’s son’s experience, the officer said he would not have bothered the teens.

“My attitude is, if you’re hanging out waiting for your friends, no problem,” the officer said.

But Det. Joe Cavitolo, who works for N.Y.P.D.’s public information office, said the officers are allowed to enforce the city’s no-loitering policy, which prevents people from blocking access to sidewalks and business entrances.

Cavitolo declined to comment on Goldman Sachs specifically but said the city screens all companies who request paid police details. Once a company is approved, it can hire officers as needed. Other companies that hire paid details include TD Bank, Barnes & Noble, Modell’s Sporting Goods and Macy’s, Cavitolo said. Bars and clubs are not allowed to hire paid details.

The off-duty officers are paid a standard rate based on their rank, ranging from $33 to $48 an hour, Cavitolo said. While they must follow the instructions of the company that hires them, they are not allowed to break the law, he said.

Cavitolo added that even when N.Y.P.D. officers aren’t on the clock for the city, they are still required to intervene if they see a crime in progress.

“We’re always police officers,” Cavitolo said. “Even though we’re off duty, we’re always on duty.”

In addition to the off-duty police officers, Goldman also employs a private security firm. One of those security guards told this reporter to stop taking pictures of the building, saying the sidewalk along West St. was private property.

Leticia Remauro, spokesperson for the Battery Park City Authority, said each building in the neighborhood is allowed to hire its own security without getting permission from the authority. She and Jim Cavanaugh, president of the authority, were both surprised to hear that Goldman employs a paid N.Y.P.D. detail.

Belfer, with C.B. 1, said she did not want to question Goldman’s security measures, but the visible police presence is disconcerting. Belfer has suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder since 9/11 and said she is sometimes frightened when she sees a large police presence in the neighborhood.

“If they tell us it’s safer, I’m not going to protest,” Belfer said. “But it makes me feel funny.”

Julie@DowntownExpress.com

http://www.downtowne...dmanshired.html

#281 robberry

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 12:54 AM

I was going to propose a boycott of ALL fortune 500's and also a ban from buying the new iPhone. That last part seems a bit strange given that Jobs just passed...

#282 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 12:55 AM

End the Fed.

#283 DancingBearly

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 12:59 AM

Kennedy tried to put us back on silver just saying.

#284 Feck

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 01:10 AM

local news shows a peaceful march tonight, few arrests, and liberty park is still full of people 4hrs after:heart:.

#285 vic

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 03:43 AM



k?

#286 vic

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 03:44 AM



k?

#287 seany

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 03:55 AM

And what provoked this? :huh: Not to be defend the police - at all - but you're the first to jump on the "cops suck" bandwagon. Love ya, vic, but you've hated cops as long as I've known you. And with your recent run in you've got even more anger towards them.

Maybe it's not possible and these conflicts are inevitable :dunno: but I'll stick w/ my stance that the movement would do well to be as lawful and peaceful as possible and win the police over to their side - they're part of the 99% too. Turn them. Convince them that they are part of this. Conflicts w/ the police and chaos in the streets will only serve to turn people off and distract from any meaningful message.

My 0.02 :rose:

#288 vic

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 03:59 AM

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#289 vic

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 04:04 AM

And what provoked this? :huh: Not to be defend the police - at all - but you're the first to jump on the "cops suck" bandwagon. Love ya, vic, but you've hated cops as long as I've known you. And with your recent run in you've got even more anger towards them.

Maybe it's not possible and these conflicts are inevitable :dunno: but I'll stick w/ my stance that the movement would do well to be as lawful and peaceful as possible and win the police over to their side - they're part of the 99% too. Turn them. Convince them that they are part of this. Conflicts w/ the police and chaos in the streets will only serve to turn people off and distract from any meaningful message.

My 0.02 :rose:




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just puttin it out there :dunno:

#290 DancingBearly

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 04:10 AM

Bloomberg a 1% wants to clear the park so he orders police to get rid of protesters. He is acting scared. Viva la New Amsterdam.

#291 seany

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 04:15 AM

Yeah, I know. There's some bad ones out there. But they're not all bad. There's probably some bad protesters out there too that would like nothing more than to engage the police and start a fight.

Just pointing out that you crying foul on the police is about as predictable as ***** defending Israel or ***** blaming them. It always seems very one-sided. There's normally two sides to an issue. There are some bad cops out there. I really hope that video is brought to the attention of that cop's supervisors, IA, the media, everyone - people like that don't deserve to be on the street. But for every person like that, hopefully there are 10 officers that just want to do their job, not get into a fight w/ the protesters, sympathize with them, and just want to do their shift and get home to their family.

So, I've seen the videos, but I still don't know what sparked the conflict. Where's the other side of the coin?

#292 robberry

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 05:08 AM



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What instigated that?

#293 robberry

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 05:12 AM

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What started this incident? It doesn't look like anyone was walking where they weren't supposed to...

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 05:21 AM

nydailynews New York Daily News
UPDATED About 200 people tried to storm barricades at Wall Street, before NYPD launched pepperspray & baton attacks nydn.us/mZ1tS2
22 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply


It looks like the protesters tried to cross the barricades the police erected to block of the "actual area" of Wall Street in front of the NYSE...

If so, that's another case of them instigating the cops being where they're not supposed to be. NOT good for the movement.

#295 robberry

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 05:26 AM

http://live.nydailyn...k_New_York_City

Occupy Wall Street Protests Rock New York City LIVE
From Zuccotti Park to Union Square to the Brooklyn Bridge "the 99%" are butting heads with NYPD cops.

(Photo, James Keivom/News)

Thousands of protesters rallied in Manhattan's Foley Sqare today as some of the biggest names in organized labor led the most cohesive and largest Occupy Wall Street protest in New York since September 17th.

After marching back to Zuccotti Park, where a rag-tag group of several hundred activists have been camped out for weeks, the protesters turned their sights on Wall Street.


Led by veteran leftist filmmaker Michael Moore, "the 99%" marched to the corner of Wall Street and Broadway, where they immediately found themselves in a tense standoff with the NYPD. Hundreds of protesters and cops faced off on either side of the street leading to the heart of America's financial epicenter, the New York Stock Exchange.

In the shadow of the historic Trinity Church, some of the protesters linked arms and attempted to storm the barricades leading to Wall Street, according to eyewitness reports. Some police responded with pepperspray and baton beatings, and there were several arrests.

A small group of protesters made several more unsuccessful attempts to enter Wall Street throughout the evening.



Read more: http://live.nydailyn...y#ixzz1Zyawho00

#296 Joker

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 12:51 PM

Yup show the cops responding to the protesters breaking the law but not the actual cause.

How about waiting to get the big picture rather than posting little clips aimed at stirring up trouble and hate?

This type of one-sided bullshit hurts the cause more than helps it.

Shame Vic shame

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 01:04 PM

aye, all i did was post clips...that's what's out there so far, though i wonder what instigated "my nightstick's gonna get a good workout...hopefully"

i don't expect this type of behavior from the philly cops today cause they're not henchmen for goldman-sachs...and like i said earlier, this is not an indictment on every cop there...many of them in all of these clips seem uncomfortable and a good handful of them understand and support this movement

you ask why they felt the need to storm these barricades, i say why are they there? and only one cop, a whiteshirt of course, was swinging his baton like a baseball bat...and STILL no violent retaliation from the protesters

#298 Feck

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 01:46 PM

can't speak for the cop, but i bet the barricades are there so no one tries to blow up the place ?
many of the barraceds on Wall St, between Broadway and Broad St have been there in one shape or form since 9/11.

after OWS started, they did add some add'l ones, the inconvince i am supposed to accept, or at least that's what i remember being told here.

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 08:14 PM

if this is the cops thread, all i have to say is that a lot of communities allow off duy cops to wear thier uniforms while working as part time security. This is not a new thing in NYC, we have been doing it for years.
If she didn't know, maybe time to take the head out of the sand.
if you ask me, this i didn't know stuff is getting rediculious.

the bank downstairs has one, so does Bayway Liq. in Elizabeth NJ.

in all honesty i thought it was saying Goldman goons dressed as cops were working the Marches, which is not the case.
this is off duty cops working outside the offices in uniform.

As far as donations, that is just 1 out of how many and how many dollars.
is it buying influence ? it could very well be, and that's not right.
donating to help in tought financial times, maybe not so much.
having those that have , help those that do not - great idea.

the NYPD does a lot more than just these marches, pulling folks from crashed helos, putting them selves in harms way to save others, i'd rather they have the best equipment $$ can buy.
but that might just be me beacse i live here 24/7/356/53 and counting.

didn't someone here wish for this type of problem to happen last night ?