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[Joker]

it has become a residential neighborhood, maybe they were not aware of that. 1/2 the buildings east of Wall & Broad were converted to apartment buildings. while expensive, you do not have to be part of the 1% to live here.

I would hope they weren't aware of it. It doesn't seem right that they'd knowingly cause a disturbance for the neighbors in the area, although I guess they did the same type of thing when they were camped out at the park.

I'd still like to hear what the reasoning is for the cops not allowing them to sleep on the sidewalk. Wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that it may at least be partly a "residential" neighborhood now.

[Feck]

it was residental when they started to sleep there and not be moved last week.

if you look at Kimba's postion that allowed it in the first place,

(1) will occupy no more than a 7.5 foot wide swath of sidewalk extending from the sidewalk's edge furthest from the street and extending in length no more than 75 feet,

(2) will not obstruct or impede access to the building entrances on East End Avenue and 88th Street, and

(3) will consist of no more than 25 persons.

Nothing in this order shall be construed to limit defendants' authority to regulate the conduct of persons sleeping in public under other circumstances, nor their authority to pursue criminal sanctions against vigil participants subsequent to the vigil based on any Penal Law violations the City alleges arise from their sleeping or lying on the sidewalk during the vigil.

so if they didn't follow the rules they cited to sleep ther einthe first place, that might be it.

litter, vandalisim, disturbing the peace would all follow under the last part i think.

it was also pretty clear that it only applied to that situation.

maybe they just got out lawyered

This order concerns only plaintiff's planned vigil on the sidewalk abutting the northwestern corner of the intersection of East End Avenue and 88th Street between the hours of 1 a.m. and 8 a.m. on June 14, 2000.

[vic]

from reports i read the police just showed up and told them they're not allowed to be there without any kind of court order saying otherwise, though i could be wrong

i'm pretty interested in learning why the 'neighbor' that reportedly assaulted an OWSer was not arrested even though cops had to pull him away and lead him away from the crowd...i'd post the article about it from gothamist but for some reason my work computer hates gothamist and freezes up every time i got there (perhaps someone else can post it? headline of it says 'nypd arrests at least 10...')

outlawyered is probably the case, but it really doesn't matter

it's interesting that this was done a day before tax day actions that are taking place today (haven't gotten to see any updates yet on that), just as zuccotti was raided 2 days before the plans to shut down the NYSE

it really doesn't matter...shuffling OWS from one spot to another isn't going to make them go away and they can only do so much legally (or illegally) to stifle the protests

I can't wait until Mayday.

[Joker]

Five Occupy Wall Street protesters busted trying to block entrance of New York Stock Exchange


Five Occupy Wall Street protesters were pinched Monday morning as demonstrators tried to block the entrance to the New York Stock Exchange, police said.
Mary Tardif, 23, and Connor Hicks, 20, knelt down in front of the doors at Nassau St., near Wall St., about 8 a.m. and refused cops’ orders to move, police said.

Tardif then struggled with officers as she was handcuffed, and had to be carried to a police van, police said. She was charged with resisting arrest, disorderly conduct and obstructing governmental administration.

While officers were trying to create order among the larger group of protesters and make arrests, Samuel Wood, 22, attempted to pull cops away from demonstrators, police said. He was booked for obstructing governmental administration.

Serg Leigh, 23, fought back against his arresting officer, striking him on the arm, police said. That got him a harassment rap on top of one for obstructing governmental administration.

Police said Damien Guarniere, 42, was caught defacing a public sidewalk in front of the Federal Hall National Memorial at 26 Wall St.; he wrote on it with chalk.

He was hauled in for resisting arrest when he tried to run away after he was confronted by a cop, police said. During the tussle, an officer injured a finger.


Read more: http://www.nydailyne...5#ixzz1sKQ0OWHH

[Joker]

Occupy Wall Street Protesters Arrested for Pissing Off Local Residents


After a week of increasingly popularsidewalk sleepovers, the NYPD decided Monday morning that Occupy Wall Street's new tactic was illegal, despite a judge's ruling in 2000 that seemed to protect that particular form of protest. Instead of fighting it, physically or in court, demonstrators moved a few feet away to the steps of Federal Hall on Wall Street — property of the U.S. government, which protesters understood to be out of the NYPD's jurisdiction. There they sat for hours, long after the memorial was closed for the night, as officers stood nearby observing, but not acting, until clashes with neighborhood locals led to some seemingly excessive arrests.


About 100 protesters hung around in good spirits, singing and enjoying a free dinner provided by allies, as a dull stalemate with police took them through nightfall, with the occupiers' numbers dwindling only slightly. An extended discussion session using the "People's Mic" did not result in a change of course, and by 9 p.m., it was time for chants and another sing-along.


All appeared peaceful when we called it a night, but that's when the mood shifted, according to Gothamist, as residents from a condo nearby started screaming at demonstrators. "These people don't have jobs, they haven't showered; they're fucking disgusting," said one woman. The noise complaints were apparently what the NYPD needed to act, and the arrests started. After a few heated incidents, Gothamist reports, "the NYPD continued to make arrests, frequently singling out protesters who seemingly did nothing wrong, and in some cases violently detaining them."


According to Metro, ten people in all (none of them the irate,reportedly violent locals) face charges including disorderly conduct, unreasonable noise, and resisting arrest. While a full-scale eviction from the area never occurred, police presence remains heavy today.

http://nymag.com/dai...-overnight.html

[Feck]

can;t say i've heard any noise outside the Federal Building, or Stock exchange today.
maybe the tax protestes were somewhere else.

if anyone thinks that phyiscally preventing people from going into the exchange will stop anything, they need to think about the other back up facilities as well. they can keep dreaming if they want to, or look into the facts.

the plans i'v read re mayday, do not sound peaceful, more like asking for trouble -

but then again, trouble brings headlines.

no news from the corner, from me, until 4/25, good luck, stay safe.

do you think they are using the poo van again to bring the food in ?
food in, poo out, same vehicle - odd, possibly toxic combonation

[Joker]

Yeah, I imagine that May Day thing is going to be all about acting up much like a spoiled little child seeking attention. Then they'll cry, point and blame the cops for starting shit.

You going on vacation or a work thing? Have fun either way

[Feck]

work, Charlotte - hoepfully back in time for 4/20 Graham Parker, then out to San Franciso Monday - overnight.
no time for JCS this trip.

3 factory tours and a visit with a cosmetics company.

with all the factories i see, the best thing has been the upswing in morale and hours avaible for work.
very few shut downs, very few furlows, even some OT.
not much add to staff yet, but i'm hopefull.

[vic]

the plans i'v read re mayday, do not sound peaceful, more like asking for trouble - but then again, trouble brings headlines. no news from the corner, from me, until 4/25, good luck, stay safe. do you think they are using the poo van again to bring the food in ? food in, poo out, same vehicle - odd, possibly toxic combonation

A) what reads about asking for trouble? it's going to be big, that's for sure...nowhere have i read about anything violent planned, so sensationalize pre-emptively all you want

whatever became of that little poop story? nothing? thought so

[Joker]

whatever became of that little poop story? nothing? thought so

What more were you expecting? They caught the idiots that were doing it

/story


I'm wondering whatever became of the guy whose house got taken over and destroyed by OWS. One would have hoped they'd do something to help the guy out but I haven't seen anything about it.

[vic]

Hmmm

[vic]

figure this out...a guy claiming to be a resident comes outside and attacks, assaults, protesters, reportedly throwing punches, and is in pics shooting the shit talking and laughing with cops

busted

[Joker]

Any evidence to suggest the guy isn't a resident?

With all those people there, taking all those pics, you'd think someone would have caught this "alleged" attack.

Was that reported by the same people who said there were hundreds of cops there?

Once again we only seem to be getting selected bits and pieces of what actually happened.

Sounds like the usual shit being flung with little basis in reality

[vic]

well, hopefully more will come out about it...sometimes it takes a few days for video to come about

you have anything to contradict? i've seen nothing of the sort

guess we'll just have to wait and see on this one

[Joker]

Well, there's no pic showing him attacking or assaulting anyone but it does show someone else who seems to have his arms around the guy's neck and is attacking and assaulting him.

The second pic seems to be him falling forward towards the crowd from that attack. That would certainly help explain why he wasn't arrested.

As for him "chatting it up" it looks like he might have just given the cop his ID and was simply answering questions.

[vic]

[Joker]

Care to explain how the pics you posted back up anything like a "supposed" resident attacking, assaulting and throwing punches at the protesters? Because they sure do seem to tell a different story than the conspiracy plot you're slinging.


Seems like once again, when you're faced with a more logical explanation, you've got nothing.

[Feck]

the poos story ended, - what more OWS distanced themselves, stating his actions we not voted on by the GA, then the guy got rearrested the next day. now he's prolly spending time on Rikers Island , waiting for the festival. the van he was using was used for the transportzaion of food, then human waste. if it's been impounded, prolly a good idea for OWS. it's not a good idea to mix the 2, people can get really sick.`

[vic]

Care to explain how the pics you posted back up anything like a "supposed" resident attacking, assaulting and throwing punches at the protesters? Because they sure do seem to tell a different story than the conspiracy plot you're slinging. Seems like once again, when you're faced with a more logical explanation, you've got nothing.

right. like your post about the "ows" guy that beat up a cop with a metal pipe

reporters, actual reporters, from an article YOU posted, reported the guy was assaulting people...eyewitness reports have more base than a story you made up in your head...any eyewitness reports that contradict the story or are you gonna continue to make shit up while you call me a liar?

[Joker]

right. like your post about the "ows" guy that beat up a cop with a metal pipe reporters, actual reporters, from an article YOU posted, reported the guy was assaulting people...eyewitness reports have more base than a story you made up in your head...any eyewitness reports that contradict the story or are you gonna continue to make shit up while you call me a liar?

Another deflection. Certainly not unexpected, it's what you do.

I didn't post anything that said an OWS guy beat up a cop with a metal pipe. The article clearly said a protester was arrested for "allegedly" (there's that word again) assaulting a cop.

And I certainly didn't make anything up in my head about it. Care to point out where I did what you accuse me of doing?

Once again, you're just talking out of your ass rather than answering the question.

Why can't you just be honest?

[vic]

there's the liar accusation again it's hysterical at this point...where am i deflecting?

you're right, alleged is the word...why bother posting it then?

and i never said this was what actually happened...i simply said there were eyewitness reports, which happened to be in the article you posted, of the guy throwing punches...you say it looks like he's being assaulted, which is a lie since it clearly looks like he's being restrained, though we don't know exactly what he did...even so, cops are supposed to keep protests and counterprotests seperated, which they are not doing here...as for whether or not he threw punches, we only have eyewitness reports from journalists...

i'd like to know what exactly i'm deflecting?

[Joker]

there's the liar accusation again it's hysterical at this point...where am i deflecting?

Rather than answer the question " Care to explain how the pics you posted back up anything like a "supposed" resident attacking, assaulting and throwing punches at the protesters?" you chose to bring up the post about the metal pipe. That's where you're deflecting.

Now care to point out what I made up in my head about that article?

and i never said this was what actually happened...i simply said there were eyewitness reports, which happened to be in the article you posted, of the guy throwing punches...you say it looks like he's being assaulted, which is a lie since it clearly looks like he's being restrained, though we don't know exactly what he did...even so, cops are supposed to keep protests and counterprotests seperated, which they are not doing here...as for whether or not he threw punches, we only have eyewitness reports from journalists... i'd like to know what exactly i'm deflecting?

Really? Where in the article that I posted does it even mention reports from eye-witnesses throwing punches?

There you go making shit up... again

I won't even bother getting into how you can honestly claim a picture of someone up on the back of another person, with his arms wrapped around the person's neck, can clearly look like anything, let alone how you can claim it's a lie that it seems to looks like he's being attacked

[vic]

<ul>
<li>&quot;A moment later, a man approached a protester and pushed him several times while screaming at him. The police escorted that man away.&quot;</li>
<li> </li>
<li>2nd from the bottom, last page<br />
 </li>
</ul>

[vic]

the gothamist article gets more in-depth, but my computer at work freezes up when i go to gothamist

[vic]

i'm not gonna call you a liar though, cause maybe you just missed that line

[vic]

since i can't get the link here, i pulled it up on my phone and will type it out for you, cause i care so much

"minutes later, one of the residents, a short, stocky man with thinning hair got into a shouting match with a protester, and lunged after him, punching him repeatedly. NYPD officers pulled the man through the police line. he was not arrested."

you'll have to go to gothamist and click on the 3rd or 4th link down titled "NYPD arrest at least 10..."

[MeOmYo]

the past, the present and the future all walked into a bar

it was tense

[Joker]

Did I post that article?

Still waiting for you to back up the accusation that I was just making stuff up in my head

[PeaceFrog]

where did you come up with the story that the guy was showing the cops his ID and then just bullshitting with them afterward?

Do you have a crystal ball, or was that straight out of yer melon?

[vic]

yep

Updated, 11:24 p.m. | The police arrested four people near the New York Stock Exchange on Monday morning after telling Occupy Wall Street protesters, who have been gathering there for a week, that they were not permitted to sit or lie down on sidewalks. Several additional arrests followed in the evening, with the possibility of more to come. The order came around 6 a.m., after about 100 people spent the night sleeping near the stock exchange, most of them on Nassau Street. “Sitting or lying down on the sidewalk is not permitted,” a police captain announced. “Anyone who is sitting or lying down must now get up or be subject to arrest.” The captain continued: “Also, it is unlawful to leave moveable property on the sidewalk.” Many of the protesters objected, saying that a federal court ruling allowed them to be there. Over the next two hours, lines of officers moved protesters back and forth on Nassau Street as a man with a hose washed down the sidewalk on the west side of the street. The first arrest took place on the east side of the street, just before 8 a.m., when an officer grabbed a large piece of cardboard from a man. “That’s my cardboard,” the man said, trying to grab it back. “You’re going to resist?” the officer said before arresting him. A few feet away, officers arrested a woman sitting on a curb. Moments later, an officer placed a video camera close to the face of a man walking on Nassau Street. The man swung a bag toward the lens and the officer threw a punch at the man and then arrested him. A fourth arrest took place on Wall Street. By 9 a.m., about 50 protesters had moved to the steps of Federal Hall, where they sang and held placards as commuters passed by. Across Wall Street, a contingent of officers watched them. At 10 a.m., an Occupy organizer, Jo Robin, said that a National Park Service officer had asked the protesters to fill out an application to hold a rally on the steps. Norman Siegel, the civil rights lawyer, who has worked with the protesters, said he had looked at videotape from early Monday showing the police telling protesters they could not sit or lie on Nassau Street, which he called a “display of unauthorized power.” Mr. Siegel said that he hoped to settle amicably with the city the question of where and how protesters could sleep on sidewalks, but he added that if that effort failed, he and others would consider suing the city. “There is no known legal basis for preventing people from sitting or lying on a public sidewalk when there is no obstruction of the sidewalk and no blocking of building entrances or exits,” he said. A Police Department spokesman did not respond to a message seeking comment on the orders the police issued Monday morning. The Wall Street sleep-outs began last Monday, several days after asimilar protest near Union Square. Lawyers and Occupy organizers said the protests were protected by a 2000 ruling by a federal judge, Kimba M. Wood, who wrote that the First Amendment allows sleeping in public as a form of political expression. Over the course of Sunday night, protesters gathered near the stock exchange, where they held meetings and curled up in sleeping bags. “This is significant because we’re closer to Wall Street than we ever were before,” Chris Andrews, 28, said, “and Wall Street is where everything happens.” Just after 10:30 a.m., officers arrested a man in a blue T-shirt and placed him in the back of a police truck parked on Wall Street. A moment later, the rear doors of the truck burst open and the man came hurtling out, still handcuffed. He ran about 60 feet before officers tackled him and returned him to the truck. As night fell, about 100 protesters on the steps of Federal Hall sang songs and chanted as a line of police officers on Wall Street faced them. At the same time, people who said they lived in the neighborhood also gathered on Wall Street, some of them yelling and cursing at the protesters. At about 9 p.m., a woman approached the group and shouted that her children could not sleep. A moment later, a man approached a protester and pushed him several times while screaming at him. The police escorted that man away. Several protesters were arrested shortly thereafter, including one who an officer said was making excessive noise. As a crowd of protesters began shouting and milling near the bottom of the steps of Federal Hall, a police commander grabbed a demonstrator from behind, threw him to the sidewalk and arrested him. Arrests continued as the night went on, with some involving people who did not appear to be doing anything unusual. Just before 11 p.m., a commander pointed to a man standing on a sidewalk and ordered his arrest. A few minutes later, several officers approached a man sitting among several other people on the steps of Federal Hall, handcuffed him and led him away. By 1 a.m., tensions had subsided. More than 100 protesters were gathered at Federal Hall. As they stood chatting on one side of Wall Street, dozens of police officers congregated on the other side. http://cityroom.blog...stock-exchange/

it speaks for itself why you seem to be making it up in your head, but since i'm feeling like a nice guy today, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you just didn't do your homework first

[PeaceFrog]

Joke's posts are becoming more and more just like the noise in a city.

He must not understand that he's diluting his own message by posting so often.

[Joker]

yep it speaks for itself why you seem to be making it up in your head, but since i'm feeling like a nice guy today, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you just didn't do your homework first

I still don't see where I posted an article from the Gothamist. Is it perhaps from a link inside of an article that I actually did post?

And your still deflecting rather than answering the question. That's not very honest


Ahh found it but still don't see anything about an eye-witness account in the article that I posted

Edited by Joker, 19 April 2012 - 06:26 PM.

[vic]

cute dick, bro

[vic]

Ahh found it

[Joker]

Yeah and I added in the article that I posted.

[vic]

Joke's posts are becoming more and more just like the noise in a city. He must not understand that he's diluting his own message by posting so often.

when you're on a roll, sometimes you get eaten

[vic]

^honestly

[PeaceFrog]

when you're on a roll, sometimes you get eaten

[PeaceFrog]

honesty, is such a lonely word

everyone is soooo un truuuuue

[vic]

i fucking love that song

[Joker]

Yeah it looks like it was added in the updated version of the article

[PeaceFrog]

i fucking love that song

sorry to ruin it for ya by associating it with Joke.

[vic]

Yeah it looks like it was added in the updated version of the article

so i guess when the article is updated, thepost on this board updates itself too



honesty, is such a lonely word

everyone is soooo un truuuuue

[vic]

y'know jack, all along we could have been having some good healthy debate if you didn't keep throwing the word liar around and acting like a jackass on a high horse and defender of honesty in the world

do you even know what the word lie means?

[vic]

hint: it doesn't mean "disagrees with joker"

[Joker]

This was the "original" post of the article

http://www.gathering...post__p__273407

And if we're being honest even the updated version states he pushed "A" protester, not that he was "assaulting people" as you claimed

[vic]

you're a trip

very unlike you to grasp at so many straws...my guess is he pulled out a tommy gun and mowed down the whole crowd and was laughing along with the cops as they said 'good shootin', guy'...i think his skin turned green too, but there's no video evidence of that

[vic]

i'm lying, of course

[Feck]

Kimba M. Wood, who wrote that the First Amendment allows sleeping in public as a form of political expression.

her ruling was for 1 event only, limited to 25 people, with 2 monitors awake at all times, and no other laws could be broken at the same time.

[Joker]

i'm lying, of course

That depends, did he

...a guy claiming to be a resident comes outside and attacks, assaults, protesters, reportedly throwing punches,...

or did he "push a protester"

I know it's difficult for you but TRY and be honest in your response