Occupy Wall St.
Posted 18 April 2012 - 03:32 PM
Posted 18 April 2012 - 03:51 PM
With all those people there, taking all those pics, you'd think someone would have caught this "alleged" attack.
Was that reported by the same people who said there were hundreds of cops there?
Once again we only seem to be getting selected bits and pieces of what actually happened.
Sounds like the usual shit being flung with little basis in reality
Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:17 PM
you have anything to contradict? i've seen nothing of the sort
guess we'll just have to wait and see on this one
Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:54 PM
The second pic seems to be him falling forward towards the crowd from that attack. That would certainly help explain why he wasn't arrested.
As for him "chatting it up" it looks like he might have just given the cop his ID and was simply answering questions.
Posted 18 April 2012 - 11:46 PM
Care to explain how the pics you posted back up anything like a "supposed" resident attacking, assaulting and throwing punches at the protesters? Because they sure do seem to tell a different story than the conspiracy plot you're slinging.
Seems like once again, when you're faced with a more logical explanation, you've got nothing.
Posted 19 April 2012 - 01:06 PM
Posted 19 April 2012 - 02:04 PM
Care to explain how the pics you posted back up anything like a "supposed" resident attacking, assaulting and throwing punches at the protesters? Because they sure do seem to tell a different story than the conspiracy plot you're slinging. Seems like once again, when you're faced with a more logical explanation, you've got nothing.
right. like your post about the "ows" guy that beat up a cop with a metal pipe
reporters, actual reporters, from an article YOU posted, reported the guy was assaulting people...eyewitness reports have more base than a story you made up in your head...any eyewitness reports that contradict the story or are you gonna continue to make shit up while you call me a liar?
Posted 19 April 2012 - 02:52 PM
Another deflection. Certainly not unexpected, it's what you do.
right. like your post about the "ows" guy that beat up a cop with a metal pipe reporters, actual reporters, from an article YOU posted, reported the guy was assaulting people...eyewitness reports have more base than a story you made up in your head...any eyewitness reports that contradict the story or are you gonna continue to make shit up while you call me a liar?
I didn't post anything that said an OWS guy beat up a cop with a metal pipe. The article clearly said a protester was arrested for "allegedly" (there's that word again) assaulting a cop.
And I certainly didn't make anything up in my head about it. Care to point out where I did what you accuse me of doing?
Once again, you're just talking out of your ass rather than answering the question.
Why can't you just be honest?
Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:18 PM
you're right, alleged is the word...why bother posting it then?
and i never said this was what actually happened...i simply said there were eyewitness reports, which happened to be in the article you posted, of the guy throwing punches...you say it looks like he's being assaulted, which is a lie since it clearly looks like he's being restrained, though we don't know exactly what he did...even so, cops are supposed to keep protests and counterprotests seperated, which they are not doing here...as for whether or not he threw punches, we only have eyewitness reports from journalists...
i'd like to know what exactly i'm deflecting?
Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:12 PM
Rather than answer the question " Care to explain how the pics you posted back up anything like a "supposed" resident attacking, assaulting and throwing punches at the protesters?" you chose to bring up the post about the metal pipe. That's where you're deflecting.
there's the liar accusation again it's hysterical at this point...where am i deflecting?
Now care to point out what I made up in my head about that article?
Really? Where in the article that I posted does it even mention reports from eye-witnesses throwing punches?
and i never said this was what actually happened...i simply said there were eyewitness reports, which happened to be in the article you posted, of the guy throwing punches...you say it looks like he's being assaulted, which is a lie since it clearly looks like he's being restrained, though we don't know exactly what he did...even so, cops are supposed to keep protests and counterprotests seperated, which they are not doing here...as for whether or not he threw punches, we only have eyewitness reports from journalists... i'd like to know what exactly i'm deflecting?
There you go making shit up... again
I won't even bother getting into how you can honestly claim a picture of someone up on the back of another person, with his arms wrapped around the person's neck, can clearly look like anything, let alone how you can claim it's a lie that it seems to looks like he's being attacked
Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:28 PM
<li>"A moment later, a man approached a protester and pushed him several times while screaming at him. The police escorted that man away."</li>
<li>2nd from the bottom, last page<br />
Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:30 PM
Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:31 PM
Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:39 PM
"minutes later, one of the residents, a short, stocky man with thinning hair got into a shouting match with a protester, and lunged after him, punching him repeatedly. NYPD officers pulled the man through the police line. he was not arrested."
you'll have to go to gothamist and click on the 3rd or 4th link down titled "NYPD arrest at least 10..."
Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:46 PM
it was tense
Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:48 PM
Still waiting for you to back up the accusation that I was just making stuff up in my head
Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:57 PM
Do you have a crystal ball, or was that straight out of yer melon?
Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:58 PM
Updated, 11:24 p.m. | The police arrested four people near the New York Stock Exchange on Monday morning after telling Occupy Wall Street protesters, who have been gathering there for a week, that they were not permitted to sit or lie down on sidewalks. Several additional arrests followed in the evening, with the possibility of more to come. The order came around 6 a.m., after about 100 people spent the night sleeping near the stock exchange, most of them on Nassau Street. “Sitting or lying down on the sidewalk is not permitted,” a police captain announced. “Anyone who is sitting or lying down must now get up or be subject to arrest.” The captain continued: “Also, it is unlawful to leave moveable property on the sidewalk.” Many of the protesters objected, saying that a federal court ruling allowed them to be there. Over the next two hours, lines of officers moved protesters back and forth on Nassau Street as a man with a hose washed down the sidewalk on the west side of the street. The first arrest took place on the east side of the street, just before 8 a.m., when an officer grabbed a large piece of cardboard from a man. “That’s my cardboard,” the man said, trying to grab it back. “You’re going to resist?” the officer said before arresting him. A few feet away, officers arrested a woman sitting on a curb. Moments later, an officer placed a video camera close to the face of a man walking on Nassau Street. The man swung a bag toward the lens and the officer threw a punch at the man and then arrested him. A fourth arrest took place on Wall Street. By 9 a.m., about 50 protesters had moved to the steps of Federal Hall, where they sang and held placards as commuters passed by. Across Wall Street, a contingent of officers watched them. At 10 a.m., an Occupy organizer, Jo Robin, said that a National Park Service officer had asked the protesters to fill out an application to hold a rally on the steps. Norman Siegel, the civil rights lawyer, who has worked with the protesters, said he had looked at videotape from early Monday showing the police telling protesters they could not sit or lie on Nassau Street, which he called a “display of unauthorized power.” Mr. Siegel said that he hoped to settle amicably with the city the question of where and how protesters could sleep on sidewalks, but he added that if that effort failed, he and others would consider suing the city. “There is no known legal basis for preventing people from sitting or lying on a public sidewalk when there is no obstruction of the sidewalk and no blocking of building entrances or exits,” he said. A Police Department spokesman did not respond to a message seeking comment on the orders the police issued Monday morning. The Wall Street sleep-outs began last Monday, several days after asimilar protest near Union Square. Lawyers and Occupy organizers said the protests were protected by a 2000 ruling by a federal judge, Kimba M. Wood, who wrote that the First Amendment allows sleeping in public as a form of political expression. Over the course of Sunday night, protesters gathered near the stock exchange, where they held meetings and curled up in sleeping bags. “This is significant because we’re closer to Wall Street than we ever were before,” Chris Andrews, 28, said, “and Wall Street is where everything happens.” Just after 10:30 a.m., officers arrested a man in a blue T-shirt and placed him in the back of a police truck parked on Wall Street. A moment later, the rear doors of the truck burst open and the man came hurtling out, still handcuffed. He ran about 60 feet before officers tackled him and returned him to the truck. As night fell, about 100 protesters on the steps of Federal Hall sang songs and chanted as a line of police officers on Wall Street faced them. At the same time, people who said they lived in the neighborhood also gathered on Wall Street, some of them yelling and cursing at the protesters. At about 9 p.m., a woman approached the group and shouted that her children could not sleep. A moment later, a man approached a protester and pushed him several times while screaming at him. The police escorted that man away. Several protesters were arrested shortly thereafter, including one who an officer said was making excessive noise. As a crowd of protesters began shouting and milling near the bottom of the steps of Federal Hall, a police commander grabbed a demonstrator from behind, threw him to the sidewalk and arrested him. Arrests continued as the night went on, with some involving people who did not appear to be doing anything unusual. Just before 11 p.m., a commander pointed to a man standing on a sidewalk and ordered his arrest. A few minutes later, several officers approached a man sitting among several other people on the steps of Federal Hall, handcuffed him and led him away. By 1 a.m., tensions had subsided. More than 100 protesters were gathered at Federal Hall. As they stood chatting on one side of Wall Street, dozens of police officers congregated on the other side. http://cityroom.blog...stock-exchange/
it speaks for itself why you seem to be making it up in your head, but since i'm feeling like a nice guy today, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you just didn't do your homework first
Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:05 PM
He must not understand that he's diluting his own message by posting so often.
Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:15 PM
I still don't see where I posted an article from the Gothamist. Is it perhaps from a link inside of an article that I actually did post?
yep it speaks for itself why you seem to be making it up in your head, but since i'm feeling like a nice guy today, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you just didn't do your homework first
And your still deflecting rather than answering the question. That's not very honest
Ahh found it but still don't see anything about an eye-witness account in the article that I posted
Edited by Joker, 19 April 2012 - 06:26 PM.
Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:29 PM
Joke's posts are becoming more and more just like the noise in a city. He must not understand that he's diluting his own message by posting so often.
when you're on a roll, sometimes you get eaten
Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:30 PM
everyone is soooo un truuuuue
Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:33 PM
Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:34 PM
i fucking love that song
sorry to ruin it for ya by associating it with Joke.
Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:36 PM
Yeah it looks like it was added in the updated version of the article
so i guess when the article is updated, thepost on this board updates itself too
honesty, is such a lonely word
everyone is soooo un truuuuue
Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:38 PM
do you even know what the word lie means?
Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:51 PM
very unlike you to grasp at so many straws...my guess is he pulled out a tommy gun and mowed down the whole crowd and was laughing along with the cops as they said 'good shootin', guy'...i think his skin turned green too, but there's no video evidence of that
Posted 20 April 2012 - 01:11 PM
her ruling was for 1 event only, limited to 25 people, with 2 monitors awake at all times, and no other laws could be broken at the same time.
Posted 21 April 2012 - 04:33 PM
That depends, did he
i'm lying, of course
...a guy claiming to be a resident comes outside and attacks, assaults, protesters, reportedly throwing punches,...
or did he "push a protester"
I know it's difficult for you but TRY and be honest in your response
Posted 21 April 2012 - 04:37 PM
After an autumn marked by spontaneous marches, arrests and raucous street theater, Occupy Wall Street is changing tactics as it plans a march next month that some organizers hope will rekindle the movement's momentum.
Occupy backers say they will stage an official comeback with their call for a national general strike on May 1, a traditional day of left-leaning rallies and demonstrations, which they have billed as a "Day Without the 99%."
This time, however, there is a notable exception: The protest will be legal.
In a nod toward the needs of its more mainstream allies, especially labor unions, Occupy organizers agreed to obtain a city permit for the march from Union Square to Battery Park. The permit was secured by Transport Workers Union Local 100, which represents city subway and bus workers.
"While we believe we have a right to rally and march, we don't want to expose our immigrant workers to police tactics," said Wilfredo Larancuent, 60 years old, manager of the laundry workers union, Workers United, who is also affiliated with SEIU. "If people don't have any documentation and they do get arrested, they can face deportation."
A TWU spokesman didn't respond to a request for comment.
The compromise represents a shift in tone for Occupy. It launched onto the international stage in the fall after its anti-corporate message and tent city in a Lower Manhattan park tapped into popular anger over income inequality and joblessness. Its boisterous, unpermitted marches—over the Brooklyn Bridge and in Times Square, among others—led to hundreds of arrests.
But a November police raid broke up the encampment, and even the mild winter discouraged mass gatherings. Occupy has struggled to regain its energy, and the march could demonstrate whether it went into hibernation or has lost strength.
At the same time, labor unions have tried to maintain ties with the group, a natural ally that still draws crowds and attention.
The May 1 march existed before Occupy Wall Street. New York City unions have staged a May Day march for the past three years to mark International Workers Day, Mr. Larancuent said. To the best of his knowledge, he said, no arrests were made during those rallies.
A spokesman for the New York City Police Department didn't respond to a request for comment.
While organizers of this year's march—composed of representatives from the labor movement, immigrant organizations, Occupy Wall Street activists and others—agreed to secure the permit, the decision was met with some resistance.
"My personal opinion is that we don't need a permit. It's going to be thousands and thousands of people," said Occupy Wall Street organizer Shawn Carrié, 22, a member of the May Day planning committee.
But Andrew Smith, another protester in the loosely organized movement, believes the group has room for many different approaches. "If unions would like to get permits, then we can do actions that are high-risk. Things can happen simultaneously," said Mr. Smith, 26.
Even with the permit, some groups are keeping their distance from Occupy's call for a strike. Chung-Wha Hong, the executive director of the New York Immigrant Coalition, said she hopes participants will view the march as "a separate effort."
"We're being very precise about our march route so that participants know they can stay safe. This is not an action that is meant to disrupt. It's an action to get out our message," Ms. Hong said. "Legalize, organize, unionize are basic themes that are broad enough and strong enough to attract all different groups."
While the march is expected to be well-attended, most of the 50 participating unions don't plan to strike on May 1, a decision that has disappointed many Occupy Wall Street activists.
Mr. Larancuent said that unions are free to strike, though he believes political walk-outs aren't in line with U.S. labor movement traditions.
Posted 21 April 2012 - 05:00 PM
You're a liar.
Or, you're just completely misinformed which is more likely the case.
Occupy Albany has done everything "by the book" since it began. That's probably why you don't hear much about it.
Posted 23 April 2012 - 06:00 PM
After a quiet late winter, Occupy movements all over the Bay Area are lurching to life again with spring - but this time they are coming in two sharply divided forms.
One contingent is open to violence if it feels provoked and is planning to demonstrate May 1 at the Port of Oakland and possibly try to shut down the Golden Gate Bridge.
The other pledges nonviolence, plans to picket the meetings and homes of corporate titans - and resents what it sees as dilution of the Occupy message with media images of protesters breaking windows and trashing buildings.
The two factions could clash as the springtime roster of planned actions rolls out.
"We are going to do our actions peacefully, not getting arrested, and if anyone wants to fight or get really aggressive or start breaking things, they are not part of us," said Karen Beck, an organizer for Occupy demonstrators from the Livermore-San Ramon area - who prefer to call themselves 99 Percenters to distance themselves from factions open to violence.
"First we will try to ignore them, then we'll out-chant them," Beck said. "And if that doesn't work, we will call the police on them."
Read more: http://www.sfgate.co...L#ixzz1st5sI7WY
Posted 23 April 2012 - 07:46 PM
Buckle up, it's going to be a bumpy ride
Occupy protester: “Dude, let’s go get guns”
The long-planned revival of the occupy movement is right around the corner, and we already have a new example of the violent rhetoric we’ve come to expect from the ‘mostly peaceful’ group. From where else but Occupy Portland. [Content warning for multiple f-bombs and other raw language]
If I had a f–king AK right now…
I have a solution dude, let’s go get guns.
In case it wasn’t clear, these threats were directed at the police for preventing the protesters from re-occupying the park, which city officials have wisely closed during overnight hours.
Yes, spring is in the air, and unfortunately along with it a return of all the horrors of the occupy movement. But maybe we shouldn’t judge the movement as a whole by a few bad apples. It’s not like any more official voices of occupy are promoting violence against the police. Well, except for this lovely imagery courtesy of OccupyMay1st.org, which is the communication hub for occupiers organizing a national general strike on May 1.
The file name for this image is “rainbowunicorncopkillwsa”. Yeah, that about sums it up.
And then there is this little tidbit from the latest edition of Ignite (pdf), the official anarchist newspaper in Denver.
On the night of Feb. 20th in Denver, a “young man” described as white or Hispanic and dressed in “a hoodie with patches” was approached by police swine for alleged “suspicious activity” on 17th and Julian. The youth, evidently not the type to take any shit, pulled a pistol, fired a single shot that missed the cop, and fled on foot successfully. No suspect has been apprehended at time of press. The local anarchist community upon learning the news breathed a sigh of relief at the lack of arrests and collectively said “too bad they f–king missed.”
Makes you wonder why a mainstream progressive activist like Van Jones would throw his support behind such a movement. Hmmm.
It’s going to be a long summer.
Posted 24 April 2012 - 01:23 PM
Judge: DA can subpoena NY Occupy protester tweets
An Occupy Wall Street protester can't stop prosecutors from getting his tweets, a judge has ruled in a clash over the bounds of privacy in an age of living publicly on social networks.
In a ruling punctuated with Twitter users' beloved hashtag marks, the judge said prosecutors weren't overreaching by seeking Malcolm Harris' public tweets for weeks before and months after his Oct. 1 disorderly conduct arrest on the Brooklyn Bridge, as well as the user information surrounding the Twitter account he used at the time.
"There is, in fact, reasonable grounds to believe the information sought was relevant and material to this investigation," Manhattan Criminal Court Judge Matthew A. Sciarrino Jr. wrote in a decision Friday. He also found that Harris doesn't have legal standing to challenge a subpoena directed to Twitter Inc., not him.
Posted 24 April 2012 - 05:38 PM
Posted 25 April 2012 - 05:24 PM
very large peacful protest going on right now across from the top of Wall St.
Tax Wall St to find an AIDS cure ?
sounds honorable enough, imho thorwing cash at the problem will only serve to fill the pockets of the pharmy compaines that would rather not cure or prevent, but only sell maintance meds.
Posted 25 April 2012 - 05:44 PM
The demonstrators, who began chanting "Pay Your Fair Share" when the meeting began, were quickly ushered out of the meeting -- held in the Detroit building that houses General Motors Co's headquarters -- but could still be heard chanting protests as the meeting got underway.
After their exit, Chief Financial Officer Keith Sherin stepped up to defend GE's tax practices, and noted that the company's low tax rates in 2008 and 2009 were the result of heavy losses at GE Capital.
"Over the 2008 through 2010 time period we lost over $30 billion in credit losses at GE Capital and that reduced our pre-tax income and also our rate," Sherin said. "Our U.S. tax expense last year was $2.6 billion. We are a large taxpayer, we pay our taxes and we very much support tax reform."
As they were ushered outside, protesters rejoined a large crowd of hundreds of other demonstrators with signs that read "Tax Dodgers at Work" and "This is What Democracy Looks Like." Police herded them away from the riverfront building.
The protesters were part of the "99 Percent" movement, an offshoot of last year's Occupy Wall Street protests. Both are loosely organized around the idea that the U.S. economy no longer serves the needs of most Americans. The "99 Percent" moniker contrasts the average citizen to the nation's wealthiest.
None of the demonstrators were arrested, unlike the scene at Wells Fargo & Co's shareholder meeting in San Francisco a day earlier, where about a dozen were arrested.
Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:04 PM
AIDS and Occupy protesters arrested after blocking traffic in lower Manhattan Read more: http://www.nypost.co...P#ixzz1t4nTajXi
Act Up Wall Street protesters chained themselves in a line across Broadway today. Nine ACT UP protestors in Robin Hood costumes were arrested after chaining themselves to a lamppost and disrupting traffic in the Financial District, cops and witnesses said. The activists chanted and waved signs that read "Tax Wall Street” and “End AIDS" after forming a human chain in the crosswalk across the New York Stock Exchange on Broadway and Broad Street. Emergency Service Unit cops used bolt cutters to break open the locks and rounded the protesters up into their vans at 9:50 a.m. Demetris Brown, 22, a protester at the rally, said: “Everyone chained themselves together and police came to break up the locks and locked everyone up.” ACT UP will be holding a daylong demonstration in Lower Manhattan today. They are calling for a small tax to raise money to combat the global AIDS epidemic. Read more: http://www.nypost.co...P#ixzz1t4o9YJmY[color=#000000][left]
it's a little hard to tell where this was, Broad St & B'way run in the same basic north / south direction, never crossing each other.
NYSE is on Broad, so maybe it was Broad and Wall, which has been closed to veh. traffic since 2001/2002.
Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:14 PM
NYSE is on Broad, so maybe it was Broad and Wall, which has been closed to veh. traffic since 2001/2002.
so how can traffic be blocked there?