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#2101 freerange

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 03:28 PM

yeah lots more still to get it

#2102 vic

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 03:35 PM

Inideed. So mission accomplished. Why continue mobbing the city streets to say the same thing? I dont get it.


far from mission accomplished. there is much much more to be done and the same rich elite are still runnin things.

a post like this just seems like heckling to me.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 03:41 PM

Taking to the streets is not going to change anything economically. The rich will continue to run roughshod over the law of the land and congress will sit by complacent. The executive branch will continue power grabbing and the dollar will continue its implosion process.

So while you view it as heckling, I scratch my head and wonder WHAT it is that is suppose to be accomplished.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 03:49 PM

i think they have brought a heightened awareness to the lengthened gap between the very rich and working poor so much so conservatives are trying to find solutions...up north conservatives anyway different animal by and large


Inideed. So mission accomplished. Why continue mobbing the city streets to say the same thing? I dont get it.

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so wait...you admit it has accomplished something...then you say it's not going to change anything...i don't get it

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 03:55 PM

Raising awareness does not equate to actual changes. They accomplished a heightened understanding of disparage. That does not equal change in the economic state corporatist environment.

I think you're right. You don't get it.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:06 PM

It's cost tax payers millions and millions of dollars from their city budgets that will undoubtedly change the amount of aid they get

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:45 PM

Verbal violence at NYC Occupy Wall Street



Recently I spent time with some of my favorite people in one of my favorite groups -- Veterans for Peace -- as one of the members of their newly formed Peace Teams. I am an associate member of VFP as a non-veteran. I witness with and support this group because they do some of the best gospel witness for peace and justice in the country, although they would not put it in those terms.

We were asked to be part of the march against the NYPD brutality at the March 17 resurgence of Occupy Wall Street (OWS). While trying to set up the spring occupy, 70+ people were arrested and seven nonviolent OWS people were handled and beaten so badly they had to go to the hospital. That coupled with the recent revelations that the NYPD has been spying on any and all Muslims, has had a policy of “stop and search” for people of color (especially men) and recent murder of Trayvon Martin and the cover up by the local police department -- the people felt it was time to rally against this misuse of force.

As part of the VFP Peace Team, we were there to be a buffer between the demonstrators and the police and to work with the police to use nonviolent responses to protesters, cutting down on the violence and injuries. We had literally pledged to put our bodies between the police and the OWS people and negotiate from there. My negotiation was going to be to try to talk to the officers about what was going to happen when corporate America came after their pensions -- which I predict to be in the near future -- and encourage them to stand with OWS.

It was a scary prospect, but in all of this I found some signs of hope; the police were not dressed in riot gear (“robo cops” we call them). So that starts off things with less visual intimidation providing more relaxed atmosphere which in turn leave more emotional energy for clear and calm thinking and actions. Second, there were no mass beatings and/or arrests.

What did really bother me was the verbal violence (also a misuse of force) of some of the marchers I was trying to protect. To the mounted police they were yelling, “Got those animals off those horses!” and there were other anti-police chants that I found truly offensive. This is no way win them over. Granted there are some officers who are looking to “pick a fight” so to speak but the vast majority of the officers I've dealt with have been sympathetic to antiwar values.

Fr. Daniel Berrigan once said that the first victims of an unjust law are the people who have to enforce it. I have seen that to be largely true and my heart goes out to the officers who have had to arrest, cuff and haul me off to jail. I often remember them in prayer and try to be tender with them when in custody.

I didn't know quite how to handle the situation. And I am still wrestling with it. One of my fellow VFP Peace Team members would speak to the officers saying, “Peace be with you.” I am going to do that next time as well as let the officers know I am appalled by that kind of behavior, but I also think we need to do a better job of bringing up this new generation of activists.

I did get to meet and thank one of my heroes, retired Captain Ray Lewis of the Chicago Police Department, who was arrested last year in uniform supporting OWS. He was holding a sign inviting people to see the film “Inside Job,” which depicts how Wall Street, with the help of the government (Obama is included), robbed the middle class and the poor blind.

If you want to know a harsh truth about our government and where OWS came from, you can watch it HERE.



http://www.dailygaze...py-wall-street/

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:58 PM

do you know if VFP were asked to act as a buffer or had thier offer accpted, or did they just do this on ther own ?

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 05:00 PM

I don't know, I'd assume they're just doing it on their own

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 05:05 PM

Veterans Peace Teams launched to stand with Occupy Movement

December 05, 2011
People of color, including Native Americans, African-Americans, Latinos, and working class communities in America have long been on the receiving end of police brutality.

Now with the recent police violence directed toward the Occupy movement, the country at large is waking up to the unpleasant reality that the violence of the system can and will target anyone who stands up for justice and opposes the exploitation of the 99 percent by the 1 percent.

The Veterans For Peace mission statement states that we pledge to work for peaceful conflict resolution and the elimination of war—the ultimate violence. As veterans of conscience, we are compelled to take a stand against police violence toward the national Occupy movement.

Veterans For Peace will establish Veterans Peace Teams to deploy to as many Occupy sites and actions as we can. We ask any and all military/law enforcement veterans to join us in this endeavor as nonviolent Veterans Peace Teams will attempt to act as mediators with the police, and as a buffer between Occupy protesters and police violence. Our goal is to protect constitutional rights and minimize conflict and injury to all involved.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 05:40 PM

Now with the recent police violence directed toward the Occupy movement, the country at large is waking up to the unpleasant reality that the violence of the system can and will target anyone who stands up for justice and opposes the exploitation of the 99 percent by the 1 percent.

everyone can have their own opinion, but saying they "will" target "everyone" seems a little over the top to me.

the second post doesn't mention them being asked by OWS, to me it sounds like they are trying to show they are doing it on thier own.

the first artical says they were asked, but not who asked them.

If they are not happy with the actions of OWS ( name calling etc.) , maybe they should meet with them as well, come to aggreemnts on who is going to do what and not just offer a olive branch to local law enforcement.

"We invite law enforcement agencies to contact us to further communication and understanding. We seek to prevent deaths and additional injuries in domestic protests of governmental policies. We realize that those employed in law enforcement are part of the 99 percent, and we call upon all police personnel to honor and perform their duty to serve and protect the people—not to be a domestic front line force for the 1 percent."

If i missed how they are working with vs standing beside, please let me know.

Verbal violence = sounds nice as a headline,

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  • Intensity or severity, as in natural phenomena; untamed force: the violence of a tornado.
  • Abusive or unjust exercise of power.
  • Abuse or injury to meaning, content, or intent: do violence to a text.


#2112 vic

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 06:08 PM

Raising awareness does not equate to actual changes. They accomplished a heightened understanding of disparage. That does not equal change in the economic state corporatist environment. I think you're right. You don't get it.


word...so the civil rights movement accomplished nothing, the labor movement and sit-down strikes accomplished nothing, the women's rights movement accomplished nothing, the 60s were a waste of time etc etc

what did all these movements do? they got out on the streets and demanded reform...so you're dead wrong on this one

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 06:09 PM

Yeah, the first one is from an older looking woman (her pic is at link) who isn't an actual vet. She seems to have her heart in the right place but is a little naive when it comes to what goes on down in the trenches.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 06:13 PM

verbal violence :lol:

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 06:16 PM

If i missed how they are working with vs standing beside, please let me know.

Verbal violence = sounds nice as a headline,



right...there is no such thing as verbal violence...could they be better suited not yelling obscenities at police who are standing idly by? prolly...but there is frustration at the violence from LE and it's not easy to hold your frustrations inside

there can be a common ground reached with the police if they were to agree to ease off on protesters, and i would love to see it, and it may happen...but i don't see it happening if bloomberg and kelly keep changing the rules and all that

seeing a group that has the ability to mediate and gain respect from both sides would be huge and i really hope to see it happen...then we can actually get somewhere

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 01:40 PM

Occupy Wall Street Now Offers... a Credit Card?

An Occupy Wall Street campaign to divest from top Wall Street banks is now offering a credit card, sponsored by UMB, an American financial services company with billions in assets, including banks, a

brokerage company, a community development corporation, a consulting company and many more subsidiaries.


An advertisement in The Nation, a progressive magazine, promotes the credit card and boasts an incentive plan to get points for merchandise. In a letter sent to subscribers, UMB says, "UMB is a small, regional bank recommended by the Move Your Money project, a project we support," and continues, "The more of us who participate, the bigger the impact. Show your support today for Occupy Wall Street and The Nation magazine and Move Your Money!"

A small, regional bank or a subsidiary of a company with billions in assets? Ah, but who pays attention to such minor details when one is fighting against large corporations!

How will this card support the Occupy movement? No profits will go to Occupy Wall Street, at least not according to the advertisement. In a story by theBlaze, the author speculates, "Still, it raises a question about invoking Occupy to promote a credit card when the movement has called for debt forgiveness."

One of the comments in the story says, "What better way to show that you're sticking it to the man, by applying to get a card supplied by the man!" It is interesting that the financial services company would get in bed with the movement that has actively denounced banks, particularly in reference to student loans and mortgages and is actively campaigning to keep people from getting foreclosed upon after not paying their mortgages. OWS is currently sleeping in front of bank branches in Manhattan, have vandalized Wells Fargo branches (and then opened a checking account there), and have evendumped human waste at Chase Bank.

http://news.gather.c...281474981262207

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 12:58 PM

Occupy Protester Arrested For Allegedly Assaulting NYPD Officer With Metal Pipe


According to police, the two men who were arrested in front of the Sixth Street Community Center last night allegedly assaulted an NYPD sergeant with a metal pipe in front of the Starbucks on Astor Place. One of the men, 41-year-old Alexander Penley, is an attorney and has been an Occupy Wall Street organizer since the movement began in the fall.

Penley, along with 30-year-old Nicholas Thommen, were arrested around 10 p.m. after what witnesses described as a violent scuffle between the two men and police officers, and are charged with a litany of offenses, including assaulting a police officer, menacing, criminal possession of a weapon, resisting arrest, and inciting a riot.
Penley has been quoted in stories about Occupy Wall Street in The Guardian and USA Today, and appeared on the local Manhattan television show Let Them Talk in October.
An NYPD spokesman said that officers received a report around 9 p.m. that a "disorderly group" had gathered in front of the Starbucks at Lafayette and Astor Place. A video transmission detailing that an officer needed assistance followed, and police found "individuals hitting the window of the establishment." When a sergeant attempted to intervene and make an arrest, "the crowd became unruly," and he was allegedly struck with a metal pipe by two men.
The officer sustained minor injuries to his hands and knees, and was taken to a local hospital before being released. The two men fled.
Around an hour later, police received a report that the two men in question were in front of the Sixth Street Community Center. The police spokesperson could not confirm accounts that police believed that bottles were being thrown off the building, which is what witnesses said they were told when the police arrived around 10 p.m.
An employee at the community center who refused to give their name said that to their knowledge, no one at the event was involved in any of the vandalism or violent action that had taken place beforehand, and had caused police to close Tompkins Square Park. Other witnesses agreed with this assertion.
Ben Myers, a mass defense office coordinator at the New York City chapter of the National Lawyer's Guild,said the organization was aware that Penley was arrested, but couldn't comment on the specific charges. "We're still working with jail support to secure his release."
http://gothamist.com...d_for_assau.php

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 01:12 PM

you know you stop being party of the movement if you do something the GA did not vote for and you do it anyway.

these were just people doing something on their own.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 01:26 PM

"The officer sustained minor injuries to his hands and knees"

from a metal pipe? get the whole story first?

funny how video isn't good enough but a report is :lol:

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 01:30 PM

and they attacked a starbucks? kinda reeeeeaaallly low on the list of corps to even complain about, let alone vandalize

this story has holes all over it

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 01:38 PM

cute story...an attorney beating a police officer with a metal pipe

sometime i don't think you even realize what you're posting, liar :lol:

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 01:51 PM

from a local source -




Advertisement





3 Arrested in Manhattan as March Turns Into a Melee

By JOSEPH GOLDSTEIN and COLIN MOYNIHAN

Published: April 15, 2012





A group of people who had attended an anarchist book fair in Manhattan later marched to a nearby Starbucks on Saturday night and began swinging at the windows with metal pipes, as frightened customers hid under tables, the police said.



The confrontation ended with three arrests and minor injuries to two police officers, the authorities said.


The police said the episode began near Washington Square Park, as a number of people who had attended the nearby book fair began to march in the street, against traffic, chanting anti-police slogans like “cops are murderers” and “all pigs must die,” according to the police. A witness, Obenjii Johnson, 19, who was riding a skateboard as the group passed, said he heard them shouting the names of Sean Bell, who died in a hail of 50 police bullets in Queens in 2006, and Trayvon Martin, who was killed by a neighborhood watch coordinator in Florida this year.
The ranks of the demonstrators swelled to 150, with many wearing masks and black clothing, the police and witnesses said.
When they arrived at the Starbucks, about five blocks east at Astor Place and Lafayette Street, about 8:45 p.m., some in the group began to swing at the windows with long metal pipes, the police said, although on Sunday there was no evident damage to the windows. In a statement, the police said that patrons hid under tables afraid “that they would be hit by flying glass.” Two witnesses said that the group had tried to enter the coffeehouse, but were locked out by those inside.
When a police sergeant and several officers tried to arrest those who were swinging the pipes, about 25 of the demonstrators fought back with the pipes and bottles, the police said; a sergeant and a lieutenant were hurt.
The group continued farther east, “like a gust of wind,” according to one witness. At a 7-Eleven storefront on St. Marks Place, “one guy swung a pole” and cracked a window in two places, said Mohammed Habibur Rahman, who works across the street. Farther east, the police shut down Tompkins Square Park, as well East Sixth Street between Avenues B and C, citing the march.
Three people were arrested, two of whom, Alexander Penley, 41, and Nicholas Thommen, 30, were charged with “inciting to riot,” in addition to other charges, including assault and menacing. Eric Marchese, 24, was charged with criminal mischief and disorderly conduct.
“We periodically encounter relatively small groups of antagonists trying to turn otherwise peaceful gatherings violent, and urging others to violently confront the police,” the Police Department’s chief spokesman, Paul J. Browne, said in an e-mail.
The demonstration, which, according to the police and witnesses, left in its path a trail of graffiti and tipped garbage cans, had more in common with anarchist actions at events like the Group of 20 meeting in Pittsburgh in 2009 than with the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations in New York, which have been largely devoid of property damage.
“In the context of protests here in New York City, it’s extraordinarily rare for there to be riotous conduct,” said Christopher T. Dunn, the associate legal director of the New York Civil Liberties Union.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 01:59 PM

you know you stop being party of the movement if you do something the GA did not vote for and you do it anyway. these were just people doing something on their own.


Of course they were, we all know there's no violence from Occupy members. It's always those big, bad, meanie cops picking on innocent people who just happen to be standing nearby doing nothing wrong.

Shame on them!

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:09 PM

The demonstration, which, according to the police and witnesses, left in its path a trail of graffiti and tipped garbage cans, had more in common with anarchist actions at events like the Group of 20 meeting in Pittsburgh in 2009 than with the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations in New York, which have been largely devoid of property damage.


:dunno:

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:11 PM

had to be the lawyer that attacked the officer...who needs evidence when you have police reports? :lol:

keep spreading the lies :lol:

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:36 PM

You do know what the word "allegedly" means, don't you? :loopeye:

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:38 PM

i know what sarcasm is too, unless this statement is to be taken at face value :lol:

Of course they were, we all know there's no violence from Occupy members. It's always those big, bad, meanie cops picking on innocent people who just happen to be standing nearby doing nothing wrong. Shame on them!



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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:38 PM

well if you belive the reports, it does not sound like the problems were from OWS.

no proof mind you, so who knows.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:55 PM

But it seems Vic doesn't believe them and thinks these reports are lies

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 03:01 PM

just playing on your pathetic MO actually :lol:

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 03:10 PM

The difference being when I say it I can back it up :lol:

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 03:29 PM

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Yes, the 99% Spring is a Fraud</h1>
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<p>With hindsight gained by googling “MoveOn” and “co-opt” after the fact, I can’t claim that nobody tried to warn me. Many websites with left and even liberal politics had said in so many words, “Be wary of this organization called The 99% Spring. It is a Trojan horse for the Democrats.” I just didn’t read that anywhere in a timely fashion. I’ve had a lot of stuff on my plate lately. That’s my excuse. And in my ignorance, I responded to some spam about “nonviolent direct action training” organized by MoveOn and got invited to this 99% Spring thing on April 10 at the Goddard Riverside Community Center in Manhattan. Somebody even called me all the way from San Francisco to make sure I was a sincere seeker on the left and would be attending, along with 120,000 others in training sessions around the country.</p>
<p>Which I did. The meeting was a few blocks from where I live. The spam said it was “inspired by Occupy Wall Street.” I wasn’t sure what that meant, but I was vaguely hoping that whatever The 99% Spring was, it would start a chapter of Occupy Wall Street on the Upper West Side, conveniently near my abode, and agitate for the Democrats and MoveOn to move left.</p>
<p>The first clue that my evening might go otherwise was the sign-up table, where there were a bunch of Obama buttons for sale and one sign-up sheet for the oddly named Community Free Democrats (are they free of community?), which is the local Democratic clubhouse. That killed the “inspired by Occupy Wall Street” vibe right there. No piles of literature from a zillion different groups, as there had been in Zuccotti Park. No animated arguments among Marxists, anarchists, progressives, punks, engaged Buddhists, anti-war libertarians and what have you. Just Obama buttons, which didn’t appear to be selling.</p>
<p>Inside the hall, it looked like an alumni reunion for the 1966 Fifth Avenue Vietnam Peace Parade. Almost all the 150 or so people were 55-80 years old. The ones I talked to expressed curiosity about Occupy Wall Street and enthusiasm about “nonviolent direct action” but didn’t have the knees or the ears for full participation in OWS activities in the financial district.</p>
<p>A large man with long wavy hair combed back started the presentation with a stirring call for…the meeting to be off the record. He didn’t want any stories that would violate anyone’s privacy, and if there were any lurking journalists, they weren’t allowed to use any names and they must see him afterwards for further instruction on the ground rules. This struck an even more dysphoric note with the crowd than the Obama buttons.</p>
<p>WTF thought #1:  This was a public event ostensibly to convince members of the public to engage in behavior that challenged the legitimacy of government authority in public and might cause angry police to beat the public crap out of them. Why would anyone risk that without trying to get publicity for their cause? Nonviolent direct action that no one knows about is like jerking off. It might make you feel better, but you’re not changing the world.</p>
<p>WTF thought #2: Transparency is the only protection that nonviolent people have against police spies and provocateurs and other infiltrators. Occupy Wall Street does a pretty good job with transparency. An organization claiming to be inspired by OWS but shunning transparency is deeply suspicious.</p>
<p>WTF thought #3: Washington press corp rules for a meeting on nonviolent direct action?</p>
<p>WTF thought #4: I actually wasn’t there with the idea of writing about it, but neither did I agree to anything, so there was no agreement.</p>
<p>WTF thought #5: The name of the large man with the wavy hair was Marc Landis. He is a District Leader for the Democrats, who were paying for use of the meeting room. He is running for City Council. According to his law firm’s website his areas of experience are: “Real Estate, Banking &amp; Finance, Corporate &amp; Business Law, Securities &amp; Private Placement, Fund Formation &amp; Investment Management Group…” His Facebook page, which is geared for his City Council campaign, makes it sound like his specialty is pro bono community work. I don’t know. He might be a nice guy, but it doesn’t take a lot of intuition to wonder if he’s really been finding a lot of inspiration in Occupy Wall Street. He’s a corporate lawyer. I can think of no reason for him to demand that the meeting be off the record other than he and his party don’t want to be publicly associated with anything radical, even it’s a pseudo-radical front group meant to steer people away from the truly radical Occupy Wall Street and into pointless activities that don’t embarrass Obama.</p>
<p>Next they showed a video that invited us “to tell our story” so that The 99% Spring could post us online along with hundreds of other people who had been foreclosed, bankrupted, lost their medical insurance or whatever. It appeared they all wanted to raise taxes, so that the rich would “pay their fair share.”</p>
<p>It was sanctimonious. It was supplicating before power. The audience looked like it wanted to puke.</p>
<p>Next some guy whose name I didn’t catch gave an astonishingly simple-minded lecture on the history of American radicalism since the populists. “This might be okay for Iowa, but not the Upper West Side,” said a woman near me.</p>
<p>That’s an insult to Iowa, but let me explain about the Upper West Side. It used to be a liberal-to-radical neighborhood that was ferocious in its support for civil rights and the anti-war movement. Its nickname was the Upper Left Side, and people here could read three biographies of Leon Trotsky before breakfast. Disastrously, it has become the most desirable living space in Manhattan, and Wall Street/corporate/real estate weenies have been taking over. But a significant radical remnant remains, thanks to rent control laws that Democrats seem to understand are necessary to preserve their voters.</p>
<p>“And then in the 50s, we had the civil right movement…” the guy droned.</p>
<p>“ Uh, I think we should conclude the lecture and break up into groups to discuss our nonviolent direct action training,” said Landis. “We seem to be losing people.” A lot of them, too.</p>
<p>So the hundred remaining Upper Left Siders split into four groups for discussion. My group happened to be led by Landis, who directed the 35 of us to sit in a circle and identify ourselves with an explanation of why we were there. I was about #15 in the circle and the people who preceded me all appeared to have no experience with Occupy Wall Street and wanted to get involved. When it was my turn I said that Zuccotti Park was the most entertaining place to be in Manhattan for a couple months last fall and I hoped it would revive. And I said that the other thing I liked was that it was to the left of the Democratic Party and was pushing it from outside. There had been some mention of “the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act during the 90s” and I pointed out that it was Bill Clinton, a Democrat, who deregulated Wall Street.</p>
<p>“Excuse me,” said Landis. “We have a limited amount of time and a lot to discuss. We need to let everyone speak.”</p>
<p>I’ve thought about that a lot. I don’t believe I spoke for more than a minute, but I habitually obey the rules in a group, so I shut up. In retrospect, I was censored. I should have demanded a discussion of the true purpose of The 99% Spring and why Obama’s Department of Homeland Security orchestrated the violent destruction of hundreds of nonviolent Occupy camps around the country last fall.</p>
<p>As it was, we finished going around the circle. Everyone was a teacher or writer or connected with the labor movement. Wisconsin came up a few times. Landis asked what kind of a world we wanted to see. Someone said, “Socialism” and Landis said the topic for discussion was now how to plan for a “hypothetical direct action.” Every time somebody brought up something that was actually happening, Landis insisted that our agenda was set and we were only discussing hypothetical situations. So we talked about hypothetically withdrawing money from a hypothetical evil bank, or hypothetically stopping the hypothetical fracking in the Catskills that is going to poison New York City’s hypothetical drinking water.</p>
<p>“What about May 1?” said a retired professor.</p>
<p>“What about it?” said Landis.</p>
<p>“I heard that Occupy Wall Street was calling for a general strike. They’re planning actions all around midtown and they’re saying that nobody should go to work that day.”</p>
<p>“I don’t know anything about that,” said Landis. “We’re talking about hypothetical situations here.”</p>
<p>And so it went from 6:30 to 9:30 last Tuesday night. Over half the crowd left early. Most of those who stayed appeared to be angry and mystified that they had received no training whatever in nonviolent direct action. I doubt that the Democrats or MoveOn succeeded in co-opting anyone, and I predict that they will be inventing more dreary front groups as the election year grinds onward. “Front groups, not issues!” should be Obama’s rallying cry.</p>
<p>“I’m taking the subway to Wall Street,” said a guy in his 20s (probably the only guy in his 20s) as he walked out the door. “That’s where the action is. People are sleeping on the sidewalk there. Apparently the police can’t arrest you if you take up less than half the sidewalk. Go to <a href="http://www.maydaynyc...ynyc.org</a> <a href="http://www.maydaynyc.org/"> if you want to find out about the general strike.”</a></p>
<p><em><strong>CHARLES M. YOUNG</strong> is a founding member of ThisCantBeHappening!, the new independent Project Censored Award-winning online alternative newspaper.</em></p>
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#2133 vic

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 03:31 PM

ohhhhhh i hate this goddamn board

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 04:31 PM

Four Protesters Arrested in Sleep-Out Near Stock Exchange


The police arrested four people near the New York Stock Exchange on Monday morning after telling Occupy Wall Street protesters, who have been gathering there for a week, that they were not permitted to sit or lie down on sidewalks.

The order came around 6 a.m., after about 100 people spent the night sleeping near the stock exchange, most of them on Nassau Street. “Sitting or lying down on the sidewalk is not permitted,” a police captain announced. “Anyone who is sitting or lying down must now get up or be subject to arrest.”

The captain continued: “Also, it is unlawful to leave moveable property on the sidewalk.” Many of the protesters objected, saying that a federal court ruling allowed them to be there.

Over the next two hours, lines of officers moved protesters back and forth on Nassau Street as a man with a hose washed down the sidewalk on the west side of the street.

The first arrest took place on the east side of the street, just before 8 a.m., when an officer grabbed a large piece of cardboard from a man.

“That’s my cardboard,” the man said, trying to grab it back.

“You’re going to resist?” the officer said before arresting him. A few feet away, officers arrested a woman sitting on a curb.

Moments later, an officer placed a video camera close to the face of a man walking on Nassau Street. The man swung a bag toward the lens and the officer punched him in the face, then arrested him. A fourth arrest took place on Wall Street.

By 9 a.m., about 50 protesters had moved to the steps of Federal Hall, where they sang and held placards as commuters passed by. Across Wall Street, a contingent of officers watched them. At 10 a.m., an Occupy organizer, Jo Robin, said that a National Park Service officer had asked the protesters to fill out an application to hold a rally on the steps.

Norman Siegel, the civil rights lawyer, who has worked with the protesters, said the clearing of the sidewalks “raises serious and substantial constitutional and First Amendment issues.”

The Wall Street sleep-outs began last Monday, several days after asimilar protest near Union Square . Lawyers and Occupy organizers said the protests were protected by a 2000 ruling by a federal judge, Kimba M. Wood, who wrote that the First Amendment allows sleeping in public as a form of political expression.

Over the course of Sunday night, protesters gathered near the stock exchange, where they held meetings and curled up in sleeping bags.

“This is significant because we’re closer to Wall Street than we ever were before,” Chris Andrews, 28, said, “and Wall Street is where everything happens.”

Just after 10:30 a.m., officers arrested a man in a blue T-shirt and placed him in the back of a police truck parked on Wall Street. A moment later, the rear doors of the truck burst open and the man came hurtling out, still handcuffed. He ran about 60 feet before officers tackled him and returned him to the truck.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/16/four-protesters-arrested-in-sleep-out-near-stock-exchange/

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 06:14 PM

Kimba M. Wood.................. nanny gate'd

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 06:21 PM

For the reasons stated above, the Court concludes that absent a preliminary injunction, plaintiff will suffer irreparable harm from City actions that are clearly likely to violate the First Amendment. Accordingly, the Court enters the following injunction.
This order concerns only plaintiff's planned vigil on the sidewalk abutting the northwestern corner of the intersection of East End Avenue and 88th Street between the hours of 1 a.m. and 8 a.m. on June 14, 2000. The Court orders defendants not to interfere with this vigil, nor with individuals' participation in it, on account of participants assuming a prone position and/or sleeping, so long as the participants abide by the conditions to which plaintiff has previously stipulated. Those conditions are that at all times during the vigil plaintiff will provide at least two marshals who will remain awake and alert and who will ensure that the vigil (1) will occupy no more than a 7.5 foot wide swath of sidewalk extending from the sidewalk's edge furthest from the street and extending in length no more than 75 feet, (2) will not obstruct or impede access to the building entrances on East End Avenue and 88th Street, and (3) will consist of no more than 25 persons.
Nothing in this order shall be construed to limit defendants' authority to regulate the conduct of persons sleeping in public under other circumstances, nor their authority to pursue criminal sanctions against vigil participants subsequent to the vigil based on any Penal Law violations the City alleges arise from their sleeping or lying on the sidewalk during the vigil.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:53 PM

The difference being when I say it I can back it up :lol:


yep... nothing like backing up bullshit with some more bullshit... keep piling it on, liar.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 01:53 PM


Updated, 11:24 p.m. | The police arrested four people near the New York Stock Exchange on Monday morning after telling Occupy Wall Street protesters, who have been gathering there for a week, that they were not permitted to sit or lie down on sidewalks. Several additional arrests followed in the evening, with the possibility of more to come.

The order came around 6 a.m., after about 100 people spent the night sleeping near the stock exchange, most of them on Nassau Street. “Sitting or lying down on the sidewalk is not permitted,” a police captain announced. “Anyone who is sitting or lying down must now get up or be subject to arrest.”

The captain continued: “Also, it is unlawful to leave moveable property on the sidewalk.” Many of the protesters objected, saying that a federal court ruling allowed them to be there.

Over the next two hours, lines of officers moved protesters back and forth on Nassau Street as a man with a hose washed down the sidewalk on the west side of the street.


The first arrest took place on the east side of the street, just before 8 a.m., when an officer grabbed a large piece of cardboard from a man.

“That’s my cardboard,” the man said, trying to grab it back.

“You’re going to resist?” the officer said before arresting him. A few feet away, officers arrested a woman sitting on a curb.

Moments later, an officer placed a video camera close to the face of a man walking on Nassau Street. The man swung a bag toward the lens and the officer threw a punch at the man and then arrested him. A fourth arrest took place on Wall Street.

By 9 a.m., about 50 protesters had moved to the steps of Federal Hall, where they sang and held placards as commuters passed by. Across Wall Street, a contingent of officers watched them. At 10 a.m., an Occupy organizer, Jo Robin, said that a National Park Service officer had asked the protesters to fill out an application to hold a rally on the steps.

Norman Siegel, the civil rights lawyer, who has worked with the protesters, said he had looked at videotape from early Monday showing the police telling protesters they could not sit or lie on Nassau Street, which he called a “display of unauthorized power.”

Mr. Siegel said that he hoped to settle amicably with the city the question of where and how protesters could sleep on sidewalks, but he added that if that effort failed, he and others would consider suing the city.

“There is no known legal basis for preventing people from sitting or lying on a public sidewalk when there is no obstruction of the sidewalk and no blocking of building entrances or exits,” he said.

A Police Department spokesman did not respond to a message seeking comment on the orders the police issued Monday morning.

The Wall Street sleep-outs began last Monday, several days after asimilar protest near Union Square. Lawyers and Occupy organizers said the protests were protected by a 2000 ruling by a federal judge, Kimba M. Wood, who wrote that the First Amendment allows sleeping in public as a form of political expression.

Over the course of Sunday night, protesters gathered near the stock exchange, where they held meetings and curled up in sleeping bags.

“This is significant because we’re closer to Wall Street than we ever were before,” Chris Andrews, 28, said, “and Wall Street is where everything happens.”

Just after 10:30 a.m., officers arrested a man in a blue T-shirt and placed him in the back of a police truck parked on Wall Street. A moment later, the rear doors of the truck burst open and the man came hurtling out, still handcuffed. He ran about 60 feet before officers tackled him and returned him to the truck.

As night fell, about 100 protesters on the steps of Federal Hall sang songs and chanted as a line of police officers on Wall Street faced them. At the same time, people who said they lived in the neighborhood also gathered on Wall Street, some of them yelling and cursing at the protesters.

At about 9 p.m., a woman approached the group and shouted that her children could not sleep. A moment later, a man approached a protester and pushed him several times while screaming at him. The police escorted that man away.

Several protesters were arrested shortly thereafter, including one who an officer said was making excessive noise.

As a crowd of protesters began shouting and milling near the bottom of the steps of Federal Hall, a police commander grabbed a demonstrator from behind, threw him to the sidewalk and arrested him.

Arrests continued as the night went on, with some involving people who did not appear to be doing anything unusual. Just before 11 p.m., a commander pointed to a man standing on a sidewalk and ordered his arrest. A few minutes later, several officers approached a man sitting among several other people on the steps of Federal Hall, handcuffed him and led him away.

By 1 a.m., tensions had subsided. More than 100 protesters were gathered at Federal Hall. As they stood chatting on one side of Wall Street, dozens of police officers congregated on the other side.


http://cityroom.blog...stock-exchange/

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 03:36 PM

it has become a residential neighborhood, maybe they were not aware of that.
1/2 the buildings east of Wall & Broad were converted to apartment buildings.
while expensive, you do not have to be part of the 1% to live here.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 04:31 PM

it has become a residential neighborhood, maybe they were not aware of that. 1/2 the buildings east of Wall & Broad were converted to apartment buildings. while expensive, you do not have to be part of the 1% to live here.

I would hope they weren't aware of it. It doesn't seem right that they'd knowingly cause a disturbance for the neighbors in the area, although I guess they did the same type of thing when they were camped out at the park.

I'd still like to hear what the reasoning is for the cops not allowing them to sleep on the sidewalk. Wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that it may at least be partly a "residential" neighborhood now.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 05:13 PM

it was residental when they started to sleep there and not be moved last week.

if you look at Kimba's postion that allowed it in the first place,

(1) will occupy no more than a 7.5 foot wide swath of sidewalk extending from the sidewalk's edge furthest from the street and extending in length no more than 75 feet,

(2) will not obstruct or impede access to the building entrances on East End Avenue and 88th Street, and

(3) will consist of no more than 25 persons.

Nothing in this order shall be construed to limit defendants' authority to regulate the conduct of persons sleeping in public under other circumstances, nor their authority to pursue criminal sanctions against vigil participants subsequent to the vigil based on any Penal Law violations the City alleges arise from their sleeping or lying on the sidewalk during the vigil.

so if they didn't follow the rules they cited to sleep ther einthe first place, that might be it.

litter, vandalisim, disturbing the peace would all follow under the last part i think.

it was also pretty clear that it only applied to that situation.

maybe they just got out lawyered

This order concerns only plaintiff's planned vigil on the sidewalk abutting the northwestern corner of the intersection of East End Avenue and 88th Street between the hours of 1 a.m. and 8 a.m. on June 14, 2000.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 07:13 PM

from reports i read the police just showed up and told them they're not allowed to be there without any kind of court order saying otherwise, though i could be wrong

i'm pretty interested in learning why the 'neighbor' that reportedly assaulted an OWSer was not arrested even though cops had to pull him away and lead him away from the crowd...i'd post the article about it from gothamist but for some reason my work computer hates gothamist and freezes up every time i got there (perhaps someone else can post it? headline of it says 'nypd arrests at least 10...')

outlawyered is probably the case, but it really doesn't matter

it's interesting that this was done a day before tax day actions that are taking place today (haven't gotten to see any updates yet on that), just as zuccotti was raided 2 days before the plans to shut down the NYSE

it really doesn't matter...shuffling OWS from one spot to another isn't going to make them go away and they can only do so much legally (or illegally) to stifle the protests

I can't wait until Mayday.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 07:39 PM

Five Occupy Wall Street protesters busted trying to block entrance of New York Stock Exchange


Five Occupy Wall Street protesters were pinched Monday morning as demonstrators tried to block the entrance to the New York Stock Exchange, police said.

Mary Tardif, 23, and Connor Hicks, 20, knelt down in front of the doors at Nassau St., near Wall St., about 8 a.m. and refused cops’ orders to move, police said.

Tardif then struggled with officers as she was handcuffed, and had to be carried to a police van, police said. She was charged with resisting arrest, disorderly conduct and obstructing governmental administration.

While officers were trying to create order among the larger group of protesters and make arrests, Samuel Wood, 22, attempted to pull cops away from demonstrators, police said. He was booked for obstructing governmental administration.

Serg Leigh, 23, fought back against his arresting officer, striking him on the arm, police said. That got him a harassment rap on top of one for obstructing governmental administration.

Police said Damien Guarniere, 42, was caught defacing a public sidewalk in front of the Federal Hall National Memorial at 26 Wall St.; he wrote on it with chalk.

He was hauled in for resisting arrest when he tried to run away after he was confronted by a cop, police said. During the tussle, an officer injured a finger.


Read more: http://www.nydailyne...5#ixzz1sKQ0OWHH

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 07:45 PM

Occupy Wall Street Protesters Arrested for Pissing Off Local Residents


After a week of increasingly popularsidewalk sleepovers, the NYPD decided Monday morning that Occupy Wall Street's new tactic was illegal, despite a judge's ruling in 2000 that seemed to protect that particular form of protest. Instead of fighting it, physically or in court, demonstrators moved a few feet away to the steps of Federal Hall on Wall Street — property of the U.S. government, which protesters understood to be out of the NYPD's jurisdiction. There they sat for hours, long after the memorial was closed for the night, as officers stood nearby observing, but not acting, until clashes with neighborhood locals led to some seemingly excessive arrests.


About 100 protesters hung around in good spirits, singing and enjoying a free dinner provided by allies, as a dull stalemate with police took them through nightfall, with the occupiers' numbers dwindling only slightly. An extended discussion session using the "People's Mic" did not result in a change of course, and by 9 p.m., it was time for chants and another sing-along.


All appeared peaceful when we called it a night, but that's when the mood shifted, according to Gothamist, as residents from a condo nearby started screaming at demonstrators. "These people don't have jobs, they haven't showered; they're fucking disgusting," said one woman. The noise complaints were apparently what the NYPD needed to act, and the arrests started. After a few heated incidents, Gothamist reports, "the NYPD continued to make arrests, frequently singling out protesters who seemingly did nothing wrong, and in some cases violently detaining them."


According to Metro, ten people in all (none of them the irate,reportedly violent locals) face charges including disorderly conduct, unreasonable noise, and resisting arrest. While a full-scale eviction from the area never occurred, police presence remains heavy today.

http://nymag.com/dai...-overnight.html

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:16 PM

can;t say i've heard any noise outside the Federal Building, or Stock exchange today.
maybe the tax protestes were somewhere else.

if anyone thinks that phyiscally preventing people from going into the exchange will stop anything, they need to think about the other back up facilities as well. they can keep dreaming if they want to, or look into the facts.

the plans i'v read re mayday, do not sound peaceful, more like asking for trouble -

but then again, trouble brings headlines.

no news from the corner, from me, until 4/25, good luck, stay safe.

do you think they are using the poo van again to bring the food in ?
food in, poo out, same vehicle - odd, possibly toxic combonation

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:30 PM

Yeah, I imagine that May Day thing is going to be all about acting up much like a spoiled little child seeking attention. Then they'll cry, point and blame the cops for starting shit.

You going on vacation or a work thing? Have fun either way

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:42 PM

work, Charlotte - hoepfully back in time for 4/20 Graham Parker, then out to San Franciso Monday - overnight.
no time for JCS this trip.

3 factory tours and a visit with a cosmetics company.

with all the factories i see, the best thing has been the upswing in morale and hours avaible for work.
very few shut downs, very few furlows, even some OT.
not much add to staff yet, but i'm hopefull.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:50 PM

the plans i'v read re mayday, do not sound peaceful, more like asking for trouble - but then again, trouble brings headlines. no news from the corner, from me, until 4/25, good luck, stay safe. do you think they are using the poo van again to bring the food in ? food in, poo out, same vehicle - odd, possibly toxic combonation


A) what reads about asking for trouble? it's going to be big, that's for sure...nowhere have i read about anything violent planned, so sensationalize pre-emptively all you want

B) whatever became of that little poop story? nothing? thought so

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:59 PM

B) whatever became of that little poop story? nothing? thought so

What more were you expecting? They caught the idiots that were doing it

/story :dunno:


I'm wondering whatever became of the guy whose house got taken over and destroyed by OWS. One would have hoped they'd do something to help the guy out but I haven't seen anything about it.