surprised noone has posted about this:dunno:
A Message From Occupied Wall Street (Day Five)
Posted 2011-09-22 07:51:42 UTC by OccupyWallSt
This is the fifth communiqu
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Occupy Wall St.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 05:51 PM
Four arrests so far on Wednesday
Posted 2011-09-21 05:42:30 UTC by OccupyWallSt
Four people have been arrested so far (as of 1:28 PM EST) on day 5 of the Occupy Wall Street protest. The first arrest took place this morning during Opening Bell March. At 10:10 AM, Isaac Wilder was taken into police custody and is being held at W. 154 St. New York, NY. One firsthand witness has informed us he was at the front of the peaceful march taking place on a public sidewalk when police demanded protesters turned left. When Isaac asserted his right to continue marching forward in public space, he was immediately arrested.
Two other arrests took place at 12:30 PM EST at Liberty Plaza. Two first-hand witnesses have confirmed the following story:
People were peacefully assembling on the sidewalk and the police told the public that they could not stand on public sidewalks. One person, was standing peacefully on the sidewalk and holding up a sign and the police swarmed him and arrested him. he peacefully went with them, without resisting in any way. People then peacefully walked with him and chanted in solidarity. And the police ran into the middle of the crowd and tackled one of the people there, and arrested him.
The following is a first hand account from Adrianna, a demonstrator who was assaulted by the police:
I was picketing at Broadway and Liberty St. and heard shouts and swarms of people come down the block, so I knew it must have been an arrest. I stayed up there because I knew that's where they were going to bring the arrested people. So a huge crowd started approaching and getting louder while holding up peace signs. They pulled one guy at random and after they put him in the van, Officer Caradona and other officers rushed the crowd standing on the corner, pulled one guy from random, and started to pull him and shove him to the ground.
That's when I started to try to push everyone back when somebody, it might have been Caradona, grabbed and swung me around and punched me in the face and I fell down. Luckily someone was there to pull me back up again and I know they pushed and shoved other people too. They were pushing and shoving everyone, but none of us resisted. We kept backing up, trying to get out of their way and continued holding up our peace signs.
Posted 2011-09-21 05:42:30 UTC by OccupyWallSt
Four people have been arrested so far (as of 1:28 PM EST) on day 5 of the Occupy Wall Street protest. The first arrest took place this morning during Opening Bell March. At 10:10 AM, Isaac Wilder was taken into police custody and is being held at W. 154 St. New York, NY. One firsthand witness has informed us he was at the front of the peaceful march taking place on a public sidewalk when police demanded protesters turned left. When Isaac asserted his right to continue marching forward in public space, he was immediately arrested.
Two other arrests took place at 12:30 PM EST at Liberty Plaza. Two first-hand witnesses have confirmed the following story:
People were peacefully assembling on the sidewalk and the police told the public that they could not stand on public sidewalks. One person, was standing peacefully on the sidewalk and holding up a sign and the police swarmed him and arrested him. he peacefully went with them, without resisting in any way. People then peacefully walked with him and chanted in solidarity. And the police ran into the middle of the crowd and tackled one of the people there, and arrested him.
The following is a first hand account from Adrianna, a demonstrator who was assaulted by the police:
I was picketing at Broadway and Liberty St. and heard shouts and swarms of people come down the block, so I knew it must have been an arrest. I stayed up there because I knew that's where they were going to bring the arrested people. So a huge crowd started approaching and getting louder while holding up peace signs. They pulled one guy at random and after they put him in the van, Officer Caradona and other officers rushed the crowd standing on the corner, pulled one guy from random, and started to pull him and shove him to the ground.
That's when I started to try to push everyone back when somebody, it might have been Caradona, grabbed and swung me around and punched me in the face and I fell down. Luckily someone was there to pull me back up again and I know they pushed and shoved other people too. They were pushing and shoving everyone, but none of us resisted. We kept backing up, trying to get out of their way and continued holding up our peace signs.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 05:59 PM
If they want to add legitimacy to this they ought to work on this counting problem they have. No one is going to trust you have a quality vision for the future if you can't count past 1.
i think the author means their demands are united as one
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 06:07 PM
I was being a wiseass. This isn't about facts or reality, vic.
Just playin' in a political thread when I probably shouldn't have been. My bad.
That's it. We're shutting it down, folks. You dont have to leave but you cant stay here.
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 06:12 PM
Big media's shameful news brownout on the Wall Street protests
What do you think was running in the pro-government, pro-Mubarek newspapers in Egypt back in February, when crowds of unhappy and often un- or under-employed citizens began crowding into Tahrir Square? I don't know the answer to that, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say there probably wasn't a lot of coverage of what was happening in Tahrir Square, at least at first. They were probably running cute feature stories about an old-time falafel stand in a changing Cairo neighborhood, or maybe articles on parking problems at the Great Pyramids. They certainly weren't going to call attention to the elephant in the room that was about to knock over a corrupt and decadent society.
I was thinking about that this week, during the extra time I had on my hands because I wasn't reading in the pages of the New York Times or the Washington Post about the Wall Street protests that have been going on now for four days, with hundreds of disenchanted and disaffected youth camping out nightly in a lower Manhattan park, marching on the financial district by day, getting arrested and provoking a large police presence including a phalanx of NYPD cops guarding the notorious Merrill Lynch bronze idol of greed.
Call me crazy, but as a journalist marking his 30th anniversary in the news business this year, I would think that an ongoing protest like that in my hometown would at least make the local newspaper. Not necessarily on Page 1, and not even every day necessarily. But at least wedged somewhere between the various ads for Tiffany and Saks, etc.
Maybe that explains why I've never gotten a job at the New York Times.
Apparently for editors in their plush 8th Avenue skyscraper, the Wall Street Day of Rage is not among the news that the New York Times considers fit to print (emphasis on the word "print"...more on that aspect in a second). Instead, since as many as 2,000 demonstrators against Wall Street and government corruption first crowded into Manhattan's Zuccotti Park on Saturday (the numbers have dwindled since then), the metro section of the Times has gone wild with the imminent closing of the orginal Ray's Pizza as well as the looming disappearance of parking meters(maybe the Gray Lady is just selling nostalgic to newspapers' graying audience?)
The Times isn't unique, though. There don't seem to have been any print articles in the Washington Post, either, and my sense is that television news coverage -- even on "liberal" MSNBC -- has been non-existent or less-than-minimal at best.
That's not to say there hasn't been some level of news coverage -- including from the newsrooms of the New York Times. The Times has published three blog posts about the protests, although they were not easy to find on the web site (here and here-- you had to navigate well below the layer of Ray's Pizza) and the Washington Post has also published blog posts (here and here) and even photo essays, which is good way of saying "look at these crazy and colorful kids" without addressing the actual issues. I've noticed that a lot of the American coverage that I found through Google News was in the form of online photo essays. Look, I'm somebody with one foot in the blogging world and the other foot still planted in the mentality of the old-fashioned newsroom, and I can tell you that sometimes buried blog posts and photo essays are a way to say you "covered" something without, you know, actually covering it, not in a way that counts.
Go back to the Tahrir Square analogy for a minute. Remember that as soon as the Egyptian protests heated up, though they may have not gotten much ink in state-kowtowing local media, they got a lot of coverage from news outlets in the United States, Europe, and elsewhere around the world. Wouldn't it be really ironic if the Wall Street protest -- while largely ignored here at home -- was getting more in-depth coverage in foreign news organizations like the Guardian, the Daily Mail, and the International Business Times?
Heh.
You could make the argument that the American media just doesn't like covering protests. But then you'd be only half-right. News organizations haven't spared many resources in tracking conservative Tea Party protests across America -- even though the numbers of people attending those rallies have fallen off sharply in the last year. It's just left-leaning protests that the media gets really queasy about covering, as evidenced by this bizarre case right here in Philadelphia involving the Inquirer's reluctance to pay attention to protests at the home of Cigna's CEO.
Here's a perfect example collected in March by Think Progress:
While the tea party demonstrations — which were estimated to have been attended by 1,500 – 2,000 people according to Capitol Hill police officers — received an enormous amount of press coverage, a larger demonstration took place. A crowd estimated to be 2,500-strongby Capitol Hill police officers marched through the streets of Washington to mark the seventh anniversary of the war in Iraq and to call on Obama to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and focus all of his efforts on domestic priorities like health care and education.
The news media did not find the second, larger march to be as newsworthy as the tea party demonstration. Using the media data-mining tool Critical Mention, a search by ThinkProgress of the keyword “protest” of the three major cable news networks — CNN, MSNBC, and Fox — found that the tea party protests were covered 31 times between March 19th and March 21st, and the antiwar demonstration was only covered twice.
So what gives? Are the Koch Brothers or Lloyd Blankfein of Goildman Sachs using their secret red phones to call top editors and order a news blackout (or more appropriately in this case, a brownout)? Uh, not exactly. That said, if you don't think a pervasive pro-Establishment, don't-rock-the-boat bias exists in the modern American newsroom, then apparently you took a very, very long nap during the Iraq War and the run-up to the 2008 financial crisis. But there's also other more subtle forces at work.
As we've discussed frankly here before, many reporters are somewhat liberal in their personal leanings -- not leftist, not hardly, but somewhere on the center-left on matters like the environment or abortion. And since professional journalists are often obsessed with proving their "balance" above all else, and weak-kneed om reacting to right-wing criticism dating back to Spiro Agnew, that means bending over backwards to show they're not ignoring something conservative like the Tea Party, even if they think actual Tea Partiers reside on some other planet. Meanwhile, as journalism reform guru Jay Rosen of NYU has discussed on many occasions, the other ultimate goal of the modern journalist is to appear "savvy." And what could possibly be more embarrassingly unsavvy than taking seriously the ambitions of a band of granola-eating missed-the-60s dirty bleeping hippie wannabes -- crazy enough to think that they can change the world.
And so actually changing the world is something that only happens halfway around the world, in places like Cairo.
It can't happen here.
Maybe some editors somewhere can put down their slice of Ray's Pizza for a minute and think about the news brownout in lower Manhattan in the context of Tahrir Square, and what are the big-picture things that are really important in America in 2011. Like deep unrest over the wrong track this nation is headed down. Maybe one or two of those newsroom chiefs will be ashamed at how it's played out so far, but I kind of doubt it.
http://www.philly.co...t-protests.html
What do you think was running in the pro-government, pro-Mubarek newspapers in Egypt back in February, when crowds of unhappy and often un- or under-employed citizens began crowding into Tahrir Square? I don't know the answer to that, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say there probably wasn't a lot of coverage of what was happening in Tahrir Square, at least at first. They were probably running cute feature stories about an old-time falafel stand in a changing Cairo neighborhood, or maybe articles on parking problems at the Great Pyramids. They certainly weren't going to call attention to the elephant in the room that was about to knock over a corrupt and decadent society.
I was thinking about that this week, during the extra time I had on my hands because I wasn't reading in the pages of the New York Times or the Washington Post about the Wall Street protests that have been going on now for four days, with hundreds of disenchanted and disaffected youth camping out nightly in a lower Manhattan park, marching on the financial district by day, getting arrested and provoking a large police presence including a phalanx of NYPD cops guarding the notorious Merrill Lynch bronze idol of greed.
Call me crazy, but as a journalist marking his 30th anniversary in the news business this year, I would think that an ongoing protest like that in my hometown would at least make the local newspaper. Not necessarily on Page 1, and not even every day necessarily. But at least wedged somewhere between the various ads for Tiffany and Saks, etc.
Maybe that explains why I've never gotten a job at the New York Times.
Apparently for editors in their plush 8th Avenue skyscraper, the Wall Street Day of Rage is not among the news that the New York Times considers fit to print (emphasis on the word "print"...more on that aspect in a second). Instead, since as many as 2,000 demonstrators against Wall Street and government corruption first crowded into Manhattan's Zuccotti Park on Saturday (the numbers have dwindled since then), the metro section of the Times has gone wild with the imminent closing of the orginal Ray's Pizza as well as the looming disappearance of parking meters(maybe the Gray Lady is just selling nostalgic to newspapers' graying audience?)
The Times isn't unique, though. There don't seem to have been any print articles in the Washington Post, either, and my sense is that television news coverage -- even on "liberal" MSNBC -- has been non-existent or less-than-minimal at best.
That's not to say there hasn't been some level of news coverage -- including from the newsrooms of the New York Times. The Times has published three blog posts about the protests, although they were not easy to find on the web site (here and here-- you had to navigate well below the layer of Ray's Pizza) and the Washington Post has also published blog posts (here and here) and even photo essays, which is good way of saying "look at these crazy and colorful kids" without addressing the actual issues. I've noticed that a lot of the American coverage that I found through Google News was in the form of online photo essays. Look, I'm somebody with one foot in the blogging world and the other foot still planted in the mentality of the old-fashioned newsroom, and I can tell you that sometimes buried blog posts and photo essays are a way to say you "covered" something without, you know, actually covering it, not in a way that counts.
Go back to the Tahrir Square analogy for a minute. Remember that as soon as the Egyptian protests heated up, though they may have not gotten much ink in state-kowtowing local media, they got a lot of coverage from news outlets in the United States, Europe, and elsewhere around the world. Wouldn't it be really ironic if the Wall Street protest -- while largely ignored here at home -- was getting more in-depth coverage in foreign news organizations like the Guardian, the Daily Mail, and the International Business Times?
Heh.
You could make the argument that the American media just doesn't like covering protests. But then you'd be only half-right. News organizations haven't spared many resources in tracking conservative Tea Party protests across America -- even though the numbers of people attending those rallies have fallen off sharply in the last year. It's just left-leaning protests that the media gets really queasy about covering, as evidenced by this bizarre case right here in Philadelphia involving the Inquirer's reluctance to pay attention to protests at the home of Cigna's CEO.
Here's a perfect example collected in March by Think Progress:
While the tea party demonstrations — which were estimated to have been attended by 1,500 – 2,000 people according to Capitol Hill police officers — received an enormous amount of press coverage, a larger demonstration took place. A crowd estimated to be 2,500-strongby Capitol Hill police officers marched through the streets of Washington to mark the seventh anniversary of the war in Iraq and to call on Obama to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and focus all of his efforts on domestic priorities like health care and education.
The news media did not find the second, larger march to be as newsworthy as the tea party demonstration. Using the media data-mining tool Critical Mention, a search by ThinkProgress of the keyword “protest” of the three major cable news networks — CNN, MSNBC, and Fox — found that the tea party protests were covered 31 times between March 19th and March 21st, and the antiwar demonstration was only covered twice.
So what gives? Are the Koch Brothers or Lloyd Blankfein of Goildman Sachs using their secret red phones to call top editors and order a news blackout (or more appropriately in this case, a brownout)? Uh, not exactly. That said, if you don't think a pervasive pro-Establishment, don't-rock-the-boat bias exists in the modern American newsroom, then apparently you took a very, very long nap during the Iraq War and the run-up to the 2008 financial crisis. But there's also other more subtle forces at work.
As we've discussed frankly here before, many reporters are somewhat liberal in their personal leanings -- not leftist, not hardly, but somewhere on the center-left on matters like the environment or abortion. And since professional journalists are often obsessed with proving their "balance" above all else, and weak-kneed om reacting to right-wing criticism dating back to Spiro Agnew, that means bending over backwards to show they're not ignoring something conservative like the Tea Party, even if they think actual Tea Partiers reside on some other planet. Meanwhile, as journalism reform guru Jay Rosen of NYU has discussed on many occasions, the other ultimate goal of the modern journalist is to appear "savvy." And what could possibly be more embarrassingly unsavvy than taking seriously the ambitions of a band of granola-eating missed-the-60s dirty bleeping hippie wannabes -- crazy enough to think that they can change the world.
And so actually changing the world is something that only happens halfway around the world, in places like Cairo.
It can't happen here.
Maybe some editors somewhere can put down their slice of Ray's Pizza for a minute and think about the news brownout in lower Manhattan in the context of Tahrir Square, and what are the big-picture things that are really important in America in 2011. Like deep unrest over the wrong track this nation is headed down. Maybe one or two of those newsroom chiefs will be ashamed at how it's played out so far, but I kind of doubt it.
http://www.philly.co...t-protests.html
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Posted 23 September 2011 - 06:42 PM
https://occupywallst...street-day-six/
A Message From Occupied Wall Street (Day Six)
Posted 2011-09-23 07:30:16 UTC by OccupyWallSt
This is the sixth communiqu
A Message From Occupied Wall Street (Day Six)
Posted 2011-09-23 07:30:16 UTC by OccupyWallSt
This is the sixth communiqu
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Posted 23 September 2011 - 10:09 PM
bump
with a polarizing fellow
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with a polarizing fellow
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Posted 24 September 2011 - 02:54 PM
occupy was a call to action by kalle lasn's adbusters - they rock!I thought about going instead of wormtown. I did neither 
I am going to this one - will be on a train all night to get there http://october2011.org/statement
I am going to this one - will be on a train all night to get there http://october2011.org/statement
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Posted 25 September 2011 - 02:37 AM
Actually I am pretty damn tired of hearing people whine how this will not accomplish anything. What are YOU doing? He who is silent consents...
I see a lot of complaining without solutions. What are their recommendations for cutting the deficit, creating jobs and ending corruption?
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Posted 25 September 2011 - 02:44 AM
They can't cut the deficit , they can hold those who created it responsible for having done so. Rise up, speak out, do something, anything. write a letter, make a call, vote them out....
mass protests HAVE created change - at many times, in many places around the world. edit: they did it http://www.thirdworl...WarVictory.html
the problem is the masses no longer bother, because it won't accomplish anything
mass protests HAVE created change - at many times, in many places around the world. edit: they did it http://www.thirdworl...WarVictory.html
the problem is the masses no longer bother, because it won't accomplish anything
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Posted 25 September 2011 - 03:05 AM
Then why don't they protest to "vote against the corruption." But then again, all politicians have proven "corrupt."
What should one say in these letters and calls? "Hi Senator, please create jobs and stop the corruption?" That's complaining, not proposing solutions.
What should one say in these letters and calls? "Hi Senator, please create jobs and stop the corruption?" That's complaining, not proposing solutions.
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Posted 25 September 2011 - 03:23 AM
let's instead do nothing. i like that idea so much better.
they do have a stated list of demands.
Robbery, do you want these kids to have a 400 page document to send to the govt. as to how to fix the f*ck up's the govt created? you want them to sift through the bureaucratic nightmare of the tax code, patent laws, corporate lobbying laws, banking laws, detail all conglomerates that should be dismantled through anti-trust laws... in order to detail how to fix all of it?
letting the govt know that their behavior is unacceptable is doing something.they are doing something. for god's sake, they care. that's a start.
they do have a stated list of demands.
Robbery, do you want these kids to have a 400 page document to send to the govt. as to how to fix the f*ck up's the govt created? you want them to sift through the bureaucratic nightmare of the tax code, patent laws, corporate lobbying laws, banking laws, detail all conglomerates that should be dismantled through anti-trust laws... in order to detail how to fix all of it?
letting the govt know that their behavior is unacceptable is doing something.they are doing something. for god's sake, they care. that's a start.
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Posted 25 September 2011 - 03:32 AM
let's instead do nothing. i like that idea so much better.
they do have a stated list of demands.
Robbery, do you want these kids to have a 400 page document to send to the govt. as to how to fix the f*ck up's the govt created? you want them to sift through the bureaucratic nightmare of the tax code, patent laws, corporate lobbying laws, banking laws, detail all conglomerates that should be dismantled through anti-trust laws... in order to detail how to fix all of it?
letting the govt know that their behavior is unacceptable is doing something.they are doing something. for god's sake, they care. that's a start.
Empty demands will not do anything:
How should we change the system to end capital punishment?
How can we end wealth inequality?
What are the repercussions for officers who intimidate?
How can we end corporate censorship if they're not breaking specific laws?
etc...
I don't think they are wrong and I think a lot of things are wrong, I just think they need a plan. Even Obama "had" a "plan." It didn't work, but at least he tried to "make" a difference.
If they're protesting to start overthrowing the government, just go ahead and state that.
I have a plan to cut the deficit, but I don't know how to end corruption or to legally steal from the rich and give to the poor. I don't think these people do either.
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Posted 25 September 2011 - 02:15 PM
When the federal government spends more each year than it collects in tax revenues, it has three choices: It can raise taxes, print money, or borrow money. While these actions may benefit politicians, all three options are bad for average Americans.
Ron Paul
Prices are going up. Unemployment is continue to go up. And we have not had the necessary correction for the financial bubble created by our Federal Reserve system.
Ron Paul
Of course I've already taken a very modest position on the monetary system, I do take the position that we should just end the Fed.
Ron Paul
End the fed.
Asking those who have created the situation to correct it is the wrong answer to the problem. Asking an addict to betterr regulate their addiction is a self defeating purpose.
Ron Paul
Prices are going up. Unemployment is continue to go up. And we have not had the necessary correction for the financial bubble created by our Federal Reserve system.
Ron Paul
Of course I've already taken a very modest position on the monetary system, I do take the position that we should just end the Fed.
Ron Paul
End the fed.
Asking those who have created the situation to correct it is the wrong answer to the problem. Asking an addict to betterr regulate their addiction is a self defeating purpose.
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Posted 25 September 2011 - 02:35 PM
there are a lot of folks out on the streets representing groups with solutions to the problems they (we) face
the alternative economy is represented
the marxists are represented
trotskyists are there
direct democracy groups are out there
organized labour...
don't know exactly where the idea came from that the boots on the ground are baseless
the alternative economy is represented
the marxists are represented
trotskyists are there
direct democracy groups are out there
organized labour...
don't know exactly where the idea came from that the boots on the ground are baseless
