Pete Souza/White House photoIf Pennsylvania Republicans and their buddies in other states execute a plan to change election rules, Obama has a one-way ticket to Losertown.
The GOP's Genius Plan to Beat Obama in 2012
Started by
Deadshow Dan
, Sep 15 2011 07:29 PM
53 replies to this topic
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 07:33 PM
1. I don't think you understand how I copy paste.Why do you never even bother to format these things after you paste them? Nobody is going to read that.
2. I don't agree that "Nobody is going to read that." Some won't ever open the thread. Some will open the thread and respond without reading
Some will read.
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 07:48 PM
Oh, I agree. One of the tragedies of the 21st century has been that the will of the American people was taken away in the 2000 election.I read it.
We really need to lose the electoral college system. It's ridiculous.
The American people voted for Al Gore, and we are in the shape we are in because of what was stolen by the Supreme Court, and that would not have happened if we elected the president by popular vote.
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 07:50 PM
Oh, I agree. One of the tragedies of the 21st century has been that the will of the American people was taken away in the 2000 election.
The American people voted for Al Gore, and we are in the shape we are in because of what was stolen by the Supreme Court, and that would not have happened if we elected the president by popular vote.
Well, that, and the shitty campaign he ran making it even close when it shouldn't have been.
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 07:54 PM
Formated. 
http://motherjones.c...beat-obama-2012
The electoral college symbolizes that Americans are idiots, and don't know "how" or "who" to vote for. When you're voting, you're voting to "encourage" the college to vote your way. It should be a popular vote, despite how that affects any political party.
http://motherjones.c...beat-obama-2012
The electoral college symbolizes that Americans are idiots, and don't know "how" or "who" to vote for. When you're voting, you're voting to "encourage" the college to vote your way. It should be a popular vote, despite how that affects any political party.
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 07:57 PM
This plan does nothing to disband the electoral college
i realize this. perhaps i wasn't clear in saying "this article highlights the need to disband the Electoral College".
The electoral college symbolizes that Americans are idiots, and don't know "how" or "who" to vote for. When you're voting, you're voting to "encourage" the college to vote your way. It should be a popular vote, despite how that affects any political party.
exactly. idiots.
#18
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 08:07 PM
I have a lot of issues with the EC as it is currently constituted, but without something representative, like it, someone could be elected president simply by winning a few large cities and ignore the rest of the nation. This could lead to even more fragmentation than already exists.
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 08:12 PM
States like New York, Mass. and even Cali. are largely ignored now in the general election.I have a lot of issues with the EC as it is currently constituted, but without something representative, like it, someone could be elected president simply by winning a few large cities and ignore the rest of the nation. This could lead to even more fragmentation than already exists.
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 08:14 PM
Without the EC, we would probably split into Urbania (the megalopolis on both coasts) and Otherland.Maybe more fragmentation is what we need. Split into the Democratic States of America and the Republican States of America. Dibbs New York State for the DSA.
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 08:18 PM
Perhaps its better to have a population that hasn't been hit by the propaganda machines from both parties making their decisions based on the stated and registered (by voting record) positions of the candidates, rather than who spent more money on commercials.
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 08:21 PM
GOP really doesn't have to do much to beat him as Obama continues to alienate those who voted him in and his poll numbers continue to look horrible.
So basically one state is doing something that is completely legal as well as constitutionally allowed and other states "could" do the same and these folks are upset because the Democrats can't "retaliate"
Damn, the blaming, crying and excuses are starting early.
So basically one state is doing something that is completely legal as well as constitutionally allowed and other states "could" do the same and these folks are upset because the Democrats can't "retaliate"
Damn, the blaming, crying and excuses are starting early.
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 08:25 PM
GOP really doesn't have to do much to beat him as Obama continues to alienate those who voted him in and his poll numbers continue to look horrible.
So basically one state is doing something that is completely legal as well as constitutionally allowed and other states "could" do the same and these folks are upset because the Democrats can't "retaliate"
Damn, the blaming, crying and excuses are starting early.
His numbers are one thing. The election is something else. There are many democrats who are unsatisfied with Obama but would not elect a GOP candidate. These numbers mean nothing at this point. They don't bode well for Obama, true, but that doesn't mean people won't vote for him.
Just because something is legal does not make it right. It's gerrymandering .
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 08:31 PM
The truth of the matter is that lolBrahma is such a good speaker that he will mop up whatever moran the Repubs throw out there. Including Ron Paul because his ideas are too radical for your average sheep. It really doesn’t matter. It’s all about the show.
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 08:41 PM
I'm 100% in agreement with electoral college being 1 vote per congressional district, plus 2 per state for the overall win.
My only beef comes from the partisan redistricting. That should not be in the hands of politicians.
These two positions I have held for many years.
My only beef comes from the partisan redistricting. That should not be in the hands of politicians.
These two positions I have held for many years.
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 08:43 PM
Why would the republicans want to oust their guy though?
His numbers are one thing. The election is something else. There are many democrats who are unsatisfied with Obama but would not elect a GOP candidate. These numbers mean nothing at this point. They don't bode well for Obama, true, but that doesn't mean people won't vote for him.
Just because something is legal does not make it right. It's gerrymandering .
It's nothing that hasn't been done before by both sides.
Hell wasn't it just a couple of years ago that Mass Dems went out and blatantly changed the law just to try and get a Democrat in Kennedy's old seat?
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 09:01 PM
But don'tyou think only in battleground states where popular vote has gone democratic is wrong?I'm 100% in agreement with electoral college being 1 vote per congressional district, plus 2 per state for the overall win.
My only beef comes from the partisan redistricting. That should not be in the hands of politicians.
These two positions I have held for many years.
But really, you're not for popular vote?
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Posted 15 September 2011 - 09:17 PM
It's "as genius a plan" as Obamas attempt to pass a bill before it got passed, by presidential edict..(or some other such political manoevering)..
So if it's a wise move by the Republicans, it's subject to ridicule...but if it's a wise plan by the Democrats, it's "what we need"?
So if it's a wise move by the Republicans, it's subject to ridicule...but if it's a wise plan by the Democrats, it's "what we need"?
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Posted 16 September 2011 - 01:13 AM
Well, that, and the shitty campaign he ran making it even close when it shouldn't have been.
Seriously. How could Al Gore have invented the Internet and not been smart enough to run a decent enough campaign to trounce Bush in 2000? Talk about embarrassing
I'm sure the Dems will find a way to roll over and play dead on this and then complain that they are a victim. I'm really getting tired of their Eunuch syndrome.
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Posted 16 September 2011 - 06:03 AM
Doesn't matter who's President. The next presidency will prove it further. Our political system at the National level is completely broken and I'm of the opinion that our current reality is going to last a long time. For me, I plan on that long time being the rest of my life and I hope to be here for 50 more years.
I don't think it's worth much of my time any more to follow what's going on in Washington. The elite have the power and popular vote won't change what they do. National politicians are puppets.
I'll focus on what's going on in Concord, NH instead and perhaps even more importantly, my own town; make sure my local community is on the right track. That's what will have the greatest impact on my life day to day. Fuck Washington.
I don't think it's worth much of my time any more to follow what's going on in Washington. The elite have the power and popular vote won't change what they do. National politicians are puppets.
I'll focus on what's going on in Concord, NH instead and perhaps even more importantly, my own town; make sure my local community is on the right track. That's what will have the greatest impact on my life day to day. Fuck Washington.
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Posted 16 September 2011 - 12:53 PM
Doesn't matter who's President. The next presidency will prove it further. Our political system at the National level is completely broken and I'm of the opinion that our current reality is going to last a long time. For me, I plan on that long time being the rest of my life and I hope to be here for 50 more years.
I don't think it's worth much of my time any more to follow what's going on in Washington. The elite have the power and popular vote won't change what they do. National politicians are puppets.
I'll focus on what's going on in Concord, NH instead and perhaps even more importantly, my own town; make sure my local community is on the right track. That's what will have the greatest impact on my life day to day. Fuck Washington.
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I wouldn't say the system is broken. I would say people expect it to be something it is not.
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