Dave, I watched Psywar last night. seen it?
ron paul - only true anti-war candidate
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, Aug 26 2011 04:13 PM
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Posted 28 September 2011 - 02:34 PM
Obama is also for the wall st. corruption and bailouts of corporations off the backs of working folks. Paul on the other hand, does not support two sides of a fundamental principle.
An endorsement from Paul is completely unnecessary here.
Has Obama showed his support for their cause?
An endorsement from Paul is completely unnecessary here.
Has Obama showed his support for their cause?
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Posted 28 September 2011 - 02:41 PM
Ah, running a presidential campaign (of which much is principled in the area of currency reform, the root cause of the corruption), doing his congressional duties, his small business owner duties and probably still practicing medicine. 
Sure, a sit in and endorsement from the 76 yr old dr. would be nice, but he'd be hampered for time if every time a protest broke out he showed up to endorse it.
Sure, a sit in and endorsement from the 76 yr old dr. would be nice, but he'd be hampered for time if every time a protest broke out he showed up to endorse it.
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Posted 28 September 2011 - 05:43 PM
I used to follow politics...but I've come to the conclusion that no matter who gets into office...no matter what party they're from..nothing will get done. It's the oil & pharmisutical and other multi billion dollar companys that call the shots. Our elected officials work for them not us. The two party system is failing as George Washington predicted, why? because instead of working together to solve problems, they're at each others throats trying knock one another off. They put so much time and energy into the "gottcha" factor..the real problems and solutions that would help the public go ignored. Sorry for being a downer...but I'm FED up with the political bullshit...pun intended 
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Posted 28 September 2011 - 05:47 PM
Your view is accepted and I'll concur it here. However, Paul and his ideas are not the same as the others. He holds true conviction for his beliefs and has held the same stance for over 30 years in congress.
If he can't get in, then I completely agree and we will ride this empire to the end of its road. Much like Rome.
If he can't get in, then I completely agree and we will ride this empire to the end of its road. Much like Rome.
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Posted 28 September 2011 - 06:07 PM
Perhaps. He's also looking to win the popular vote. That means getting the attention of swing voters and fence riders. Publicly appealing to situations like this one, can be both good and bad in a PR sense.
I'm not going to hold my breath for him to address it publicly. I'm also not going to hold it against him if he chooses not to.
I'm not going to hold my breath for him to address it publicly. I'm also not going to hold it against him if he chooses not to.
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Posted 28 September 2011 - 06:07 PM
I believe that...I like him as well...however, the way the system is set up, I don't think anyone who gets in can change it. It's all about MONEY....all about special interest groups and lobbiests..I love this country, I do, but greed & the power brokers have set us on a course of distruction. "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it"...compare us to Rome...We're spreading our military too thin around the world, as did Rome..corrupt politicians are sucking the life out of the countries surpluses and putting us deeper into debt...as did Rome...the writing is on the wall..I'm sorry to say...I'm truly afraid for our kids
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Posted 28 September 2011 - 06:20 PM
There are a lot of things he could do as president to undo the current climate and use to extend that from powers appointed to the executive branch from the last two yahoos.
End all wars and foreign occupations, including foreign bases
Completely changing the focal points of discussion
dismantling unnecessary and wasteful federal programs (many come to mind)
Among other
If nothing more than ending the was, it was way more than the last 10+ years of progression we've had.
End all wars and foreign occupations, including foreign bases
Completely changing the focal points of discussion
dismantling unnecessary and wasteful federal programs (many come to mind)
Among other
If nothing more than ending the was, it was way more than the last 10+ years of progression we've had.
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Posted 28 September 2011 - 06:23 PM
Perhaps. He's also looking to win the popular vote. That means getting the attention of swing voters and fence riders. Publicly appealing to situations like this one, can be both good and bad in a PR sense.
I'm not going to hold my breath for him to address it publicly. I'm also not going to hold it against him if he chooses not to.
i think he can address it in a way not to offend anyone or take sides...he has a great way with words and would prolly give a great "why it is happening" speech...i think i would kinda be disappointed if he doesn't, but i think he will
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Posted 09 October 2011 - 02:20 AM
http://nymag.com/dai..._voter_sum.html
Ron wins again and is marginalized by the media. He could never win. He's un-electable. he's not charming. I hope we shove this sentiment up their ass, I really do.
Around 3,000 people took part in the Values Voter Summit Straw Poll today and the results more or less confirm the absolute uselessness of these political exercises. Ron Paul, not exactly the most socially conservative person in the race—in fact, quite the opposite—trounced the rest of the field with 37 percent of the vote. (His speech was "peppered with Biblical reference," according to USA Today's On Politics blog. Surely a strategic decision.) But a more likely explanation for Paul's strong showing is that gaggle of diehard supporters who reliably show up to every straw poll; a feat of organization that has yet to translate into double digit nationally. In second place with 23 percent was Herman Cain, who placed similarly well in the Florida and Michigan straw polls two weeks ago and was a real crowd pleaser when he spoke at the gathering yesterday. This is good news for the Georgia businessman, who, for the first time, has something even resembling a national campaign. And in third was Rick Santorum, who, granted, is one of the few steadfastly pro-life, anti-gay rights candidates in the field but—sorry to break it to you like this Rick—simply has zero chance of winning.
And what of our returned-from-the-wilderness front-runner and Tea Party heavy-hitters, you ask? Well, they could've probably saved themselves the hassle and not even shown up at Washington D.C.'s Omni Shoreham Hotel. Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann were tied with 8 percent each, half the share Santorum had. Perry is likely still paying for his perceived HPV-vaccine-fascism and caring about the children of illegals. Bachmann's campaign has been pelted with so much bad news of late that her people may actually be happy it didn't turn out worse. As for Mitt Romney, he barely registered. (The tepid applause he garnered throughout his speech this morning said as much.) His take: four percent. It might not be the Mormon issue necessarily—despite the best efforts of Pastor Robert Jeffress and American Family Association radio host Bryan Fischer—but these values voters simply don't like Mitt Romney.
For more news and color from the Values Voter Summit, be sure to check out Intel Dan's dispatches from the scene, below.
Paul Wins Values Voter Summit Straw Poll [USA Today]
Ron wins again and is marginalized by the media. He could never win. He's un-electable. he's not charming. I hope we shove this sentiment up their ass, I really do.
Around 3,000 people took part in the Values Voter Summit Straw Poll today and the results more or less confirm the absolute uselessness of these political exercises. Ron Paul, not exactly the most socially conservative person in the race—in fact, quite the opposite—trounced the rest of the field with 37 percent of the vote. (His speech was "peppered with Biblical reference," according to USA Today's On Politics blog. Surely a strategic decision.) But a more likely explanation for Paul's strong showing is that gaggle of diehard supporters who reliably show up to every straw poll; a feat of organization that has yet to translate into double digit nationally. In second place with 23 percent was Herman Cain, who placed similarly well in the Florida and Michigan straw polls two weeks ago and was a real crowd pleaser when he spoke at the gathering yesterday. This is good news for the Georgia businessman, who, for the first time, has something even resembling a national campaign. And in third was Rick Santorum, who, granted, is one of the few steadfastly pro-life, anti-gay rights candidates in the field but—sorry to break it to you like this Rick—simply has zero chance of winning.
And what of our returned-from-the-wilderness front-runner and Tea Party heavy-hitters, you ask? Well, they could've probably saved themselves the hassle and not even shown up at Washington D.C.'s Omni Shoreham Hotel. Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann were tied with 8 percent each, half the share Santorum had. Perry is likely still paying for his perceived HPV-vaccine-fascism and caring about the children of illegals. Bachmann's campaign has been pelted with so much bad news of late that her people may actually be happy it didn't turn out worse. As for Mitt Romney, he barely registered. (The tepid applause he garnered throughout his speech this morning said as much.) His take: four percent. It might not be the Mormon issue necessarily—despite the best efforts of Pastor Robert Jeffress and American Family Association radio host Bryan Fischer—but these values voters simply don't like Mitt Romney.
For more news and color from the Values Voter Summit, be sure to check out Intel Dan's dispatches from the scene, below.
Paul Wins Values Voter Summit Straw Poll [USA Today]
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Posted 09 October 2011 - 03:24 AM
So, who exactly are these people? Great that RP won this straw poll, but if Santorum is coming in 3rd and Romney is dead last (w/ Perry and Bachmann ahead of him), then these people hardly are representative of the average voter, IMO. Seems like extremely fringe voters. Name me one person that you know that would place Santorum 3rd in this race. And Bachmann ahead of Romney. seems like a meaningless win.
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Posted 09 October 2011 - 07:04 PM
Most of them are only meaningful within the GOP. There are national polls that show Ron in competition with Obama. The only part that is significant is that the media continue to say "Ron Paul wins...." and then spends the remaining 2-3 minutes of their reporting talking about Mitt Romney and Herman.
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Posted 09 October 2011 - 07:33 PM
And that is significant. Personally, if Ron Paul loses the R primary bid early on, I think he should run as an independent. Might not win, but might be the first viable 3rd party candidate in a long time. We need to break the 2 party system.
