Should we put one next to every train track, intersection, bridge and roof?
I was trying to be good but your cracked.
another has jumped off cliffs of moher
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Rionach aka Spec K
, Aug 12 2011 12:38 PM
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 06:20 PM
Greater than the suggestion you made Rio would be to look at the endemic cultural reasons that there has seemingly been a sharp increase in suicide. Something like you suggested is merely a stop-gap that spends money but doesn't effectively handle a problem.
For instance, numbers show that suicide rates dramatically increase during times when countries are economically screwed and Ireland is incomprehensibly fucked in that department. Reckless spending on ill advised plans will only make that worse.
For instance, numbers show that suicide rates dramatically increase during times when countries are economically screwed and Ireland is incomprehensibly fucked in that department. Reckless spending on ill advised plans will only make that worse.
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 06:25 PM
Not any cliff side no but at the cliffs of moher where there have been many many suicides. And no I'm not suggesting putting one at every train track intersection etc
Who is going to pay for this during these troubled economic times?
Unless it's a volunteer position, in which case you could volunteer and perhaps make a difference.
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 06:41 PM
The county council could pay jbetty...they charge ridiculous fees for entrance into the place...and it would create jobs wouln't it...and I most certainly would volunteer if they set something up
Of course they charge a high entrance fee. The cleanup costs are huge...
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 06:41 PM
The county council could pay jbetty...they charge ridiculous fees for entrance into the place...and it would create jobs wouln't it...and I most certainly would volunteer if they set something up
But why wait?
Why not just go to the cliff and do it?
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 08:16 PM
Having first visited this site some 15 years ago I can only say that the ""improvements"" have totally destroyed the natural beauty of the place. There are a million cliffs, ravines, gorges etc around the world where one may fall or jump to one's death. Try walking on the edge of Table Mountain in Cape Town for instance. The self-appointed protectors of the human race have chosen to put a Berlin Wall around the now all but invisible Cliffs of Moher. They have thus totally ruined this area of natural beauty. Definitely not worth a visit now.
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 08:18 PM
Having first visited this site some 15 years ago I can only say that the ""improvements"" have totally destroyed the natural beauty of the place. There are a million cliffs, ravines, gorges etc around the world where one may fall or jump to one's death. Try walking on the edge of Table Mountain in Cape Town for instance. The self-appointed protectors of the human race have chosen to put a Berlin Wall around the now all but invisible Cliffs of Moher. They have thus totally ruined this area of natural beauty. Definitely not worth a visit now.
Well that and you'd have some rude American telling you not to jump, whilst directing you to properly dispose of your vomit.
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 08:25 PM
Are you fucking kidding me? Someone living in the country with the highest suicide rate jumped off the highest cliff in the country? Stop the fucking press.
The first time I was in Ireland, I was on a tour that went to the Cliffs. This was long before the welcome center was built and the walls were only about ankle high. As we were about to depart the bus, the driver told us that this was the most popular suicide destination in all of Ireland.
In other words, I'm totally shocked. See? -->
...and I think tongue dart her fart box is hilarious.
The first time I was in Ireland, I was on a tour that went to the Cliffs. This was long before the welcome center was built and the walls were only about ankle high. As we were about to depart the bus, the driver told us that this was the most popular suicide destination in all of Ireland.
In other words, I'm totally shocked. See? -->
...and I think tongue dart her fart box is hilarious.
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 08:51 PM
not even on the list 
[LIST]
[*]Golden Gate Bridge, San Francisco, California – over 1,500 suicides<SUP id=cite_ref-0 class=reference>[1]</SUP><SUP id=cite_ref-1 class=reference>[2]</SUP>
[*]Aokigahara forest, Mount Fuji, Japan – Up to 78 suicides a year;<SUP id=cite_ref-2 class=reference>[3]</SUP> thought of as the second most popular suicide location in the world<SUP id=cite_ref-3 class=reference>[4]</SUP>
[*]Beachy Head, East Sussex, England, United Kingdom – 20 suicides a year<SUP id=cite_ref-4 class=reference>[5]</SUP>
[*]Humber Bridge, Kingston-upon-Hull, England – more than 200 incidents of people jumping or falling from the bridge have taken place since it was opened in 1981 with only five surviving.<SUP id=cite_ref-5 class=reference>[6]</SUP>
[*]Coronado Bridge, San Diego, California - more than 200 suicides (1972–2000) and many more after <SUP id=cite_ref-6 class=reference>[7]</SUP>
[*]Aurora Bridge, Seattle, Washington – over 230 suicides since 1932,<SUP id=cite_ref-historylink_7-0 class=reference>[8]</SUP> with over 50 from 1997-2007<SUP id=cite_ref-8 class=reference>[9]</SUP>
[*]Jacques Cartier Bridge, Montreal, Quebec, Canada – over 143 suicides. Suicide barriers were erected in 2003.<SUP id=cite_ref-9 class=reference>[10]</SUP>
[*]Foresthill Bridge in Auburn, California – estimated 55 suicides since construction in 1973, actual number likely higher<SUP id=cite_ref-10 class=reference>[11]</SUP><SUP id=cite_ref-11 class=reference>[12]</SUP>
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[LIST]
[*]Golden Gate Bridge, San Francisco, California – over 1,500 suicides<SUP id=cite_ref-0 class=reference>[1]</SUP><SUP id=cite_ref-1 class=reference>[2]</SUP>
[*]Aokigahara forest, Mount Fuji, Japan – Up to 78 suicides a year;<SUP id=cite_ref-2 class=reference>[3]</SUP> thought of as the second most popular suicide location in the world<SUP id=cite_ref-3 class=reference>[4]</SUP>
[*]Beachy Head, East Sussex, England, United Kingdom – 20 suicides a year<SUP id=cite_ref-4 class=reference>[5]</SUP>
[*]Humber Bridge, Kingston-upon-Hull, England – more than 200 incidents of people jumping or falling from the bridge have taken place since it was opened in 1981 with only five surviving.<SUP id=cite_ref-5 class=reference>[6]</SUP>
[*]Coronado Bridge, San Diego, California - more than 200 suicides (1972–2000) and many more after <SUP id=cite_ref-6 class=reference>[7]</SUP>
[*]Aurora Bridge, Seattle, Washington – over 230 suicides since 1932,<SUP id=cite_ref-historylink_7-0 class=reference>[8]</SUP> with over 50 from 1997-2007<SUP id=cite_ref-8 class=reference>[9]</SUP>
[*]Jacques Cartier Bridge, Montreal, Quebec, Canada – over 143 suicides. Suicide barriers were erected in 2003.<SUP id=cite_ref-9 class=reference>[10]</SUP>
[*]Foresthill Bridge in Auburn, California – estimated 55 suicides since construction in 1973, actual number likely higher<SUP id=cite_ref-10 class=reference>[11]</SUP><SUP id=cite_ref-11 class=reference>[12]</SUP>
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#186
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 08:57 PM
No one said it was shocking condor. My point is that its sad (esp 2 in one week) and it does happen all too frequently and the co council does nothing but try to cover up what happens there instead of trying ways to deal
I know. It's turrible.
As far as conspiracies go, the cat's kind of been out of the bag on the Cliffs of Moher for at least a few thousand years.
It's a conspiracy I tells ya'.Yeah feck because officially they aren't reported as suicides
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 09:18 PM
No one said it was shocking condor. My point is that its sad (esp 2 in one week) and it does happen all too frequently and the co council does nothing but try to cover up what happens there instead of trying ways to deal
It is sad. I know nothing about these cliff or the possibility of setting up a phone as deadheadskier mentioned. I know they have them on bridges...."Call before you jump, we can help". I also don't know how many people, when at that point, would actually utilize such tools. When a person decides this is it, that is usually it. Its devastating and sad, but even if things were set into place to divert the "falls" there, a suicidal person will find ways around it or do it someplace else. Maybe I'm just cynical....
And for the record; I prefer toungue-punch you in the fart-box
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 09:24 PM
The 21 year old is one in dozens that have gone off the cliffs in the past years. 3 in one month this summer. I have suggested staffing counsellors 24 hours at cliffs to deaf ears.
Well there's the problem...maybe suggest staffing to non deaf ears...
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 09:32 PM
The real problem................. http://www.globalpos...nd-suicide-rate
DUBLIN, Ireland — One cost of the recession in Ireland is a surge in suicide rates, particularly among young men in rural areas facing a bleak future without work and laden with debt.
Since the end of Ireland's good times three years ago, the country's incidence of death by self-harm, already one of the highest in Europe, has risen by a quarter, according to official statistics. Some 520 people took their own lives in 2009, a 25 percent rise from the previous year, and provisional figures for the first quarter of 2010 show that just as many died last year.
Almost everyone in Ireland it seems — and even occasional visitors like former U.S. President Bill Clinton — knows of a family where a member has committed or attempted suicide.
Clinton told an audience of Irish Americans at a St. Patrick’s Day function in New York about his own personal experience of the damage done to the Irish psyche by the financial catastrophe that has wiped out many businesses.
“The thing that has troubled me most, believe it or not, about this whole economic crisis in Ireland has been the rise in the suicide rate, not just among the young where it was already too high but among those in their prime working years who feel somehow that their whole lives have been robbed,” Clinton said.
“A good friend of mine was one of the young, phenomenally prosperous Irishmen, who took his life and made me think about this all over again,” he told an event organized by Irish America magazine in the New York Yacht Club.
The remarks by the former president, whose involvement in Ireland dates back to the Northern Ireland peace process in the 1990s, have resonated in a country where the extent of the problem is now a matter of national concern.
The stark statistics “only go some way towards conveying the devastation caused by suicide in communities the length and breadth of Ireland,” according to Angela Kerins, chief executive of RehabCare, a non-governmental organization dedicated to helping people achieve their potential.
“More people are dying each year by suicide than on our roads and suicide is now the biggest cause of death among young men in the 15-24 age group."
Youth suicide in Ireland is the fifth highest in Europe, after Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Finland, according to the most recent study of the phenomenon, carried out by a joint committee of the Irish parliament in 2004.
The incidence of self-harm is highest in rural Ireland, with counties like Offaly recording twice the number of suicides as Dublin. The collapse of the construction industry has hit such counties hard, leaving developments of half-finished houses, empty retail parks and long lines at unemployment offices.
After examining at a Jan. 20 hearing five cases of suicide of young and middle-aged men, the County Offaly coroner, Brian Mahon said, “This is just an example of the rampant and really serious situation in Ireland, and particularly in rural areas.” The five cases included a 32-year-old carpenter and father of one facing repossession of his house and a 35-year-old single man with a drug problem.
With abuse of alcohol cited as a factor in four out of 10 suicides, a National Task Force on Suicide recommended in 1998 that drink should be made less available and more expensive; since then beers and spirits have become cheaper and more accessible. The official figures for suicide could be underestimated, this study concluded, as one in 10 road fatalities involving single occupant vehicles is believed to be a deliberate act of self-destruction.
The growing awareness of the problem of suicide in a country where it was once a taboo subject has meant that jocular or sarcastic references to suicide are no longer acceptable.
Ireland’s new prime minister, Enda Kenny, was so moved by the distress of a family he visited after a suicide that he has refused to appear on a popular television current affairs program since October when the host, Vincent Browne, said Kenny should take a bottle of whiskey and a gun and go into a dark room. Browne has since apologized.
A former prime minister, Bertie Ahern, was widely criticized for insensitivity when during the height of the boom in 2007 he said he wondered why those “cribbing and moaning” about a coming downturn did not commit suicide. He too has since regretted his remark.
Suicide rates in Northern Ireland have also risen sharply, especially among young people. Belfast was shocked at the end of January when an 11-year-old girl and a 13-year-old boy took their lives in unrelated circumstances within a 24-hour period.
Editor's note: This story was corrected to remove a reference to a future visit by Clinton to Ireland on behalf of RehabCare, which happened in the past.
DUBLIN, Ireland — One cost of the recession in Ireland is a surge in suicide rates, particularly among young men in rural areas facing a bleak future without work and laden with debt.
Since the end of Ireland's good times three years ago, the country's incidence of death by self-harm, already one of the highest in Europe, has risen by a quarter, according to official statistics. Some 520 people took their own lives in 2009, a 25 percent rise from the previous year, and provisional figures for the first quarter of 2010 show that just as many died last year.
Almost everyone in Ireland it seems — and even occasional visitors like former U.S. President Bill Clinton — knows of a family where a member has committed or attempted suicide.
Clinton told an audience of Irish Americans at a St. Patrick’s Day function in New York about his own personal experience of the damage done to the Irish psyche by the financial catastrophe that has wiped out many businesses.
“The thing that has troubled me most, believe it or not, about this whole economic crisis in Ireland has been the rise in the suicide rate, not just among the young where it was already too high but among those in their prime working years who feel somehow that their whole lives have been robbed,” Clinton said.
“A good friend of mine was one of the young, phenomenally prosperous Irishmen, who took his life and made me think about this all over again,” he told an event organized by Irish America magazine in the New York Yacht Club.
The remarks by the former president, whose involvement in Ireland dates back to the Northern Ireland peace process in the 1990s, have resonated in a country where the extent of the problem is now a matter of national concern.
The stark statistics “only go some way towards conveying the devastation caused by suicide in communities the length and breadth of Ireland,” according to Angela Kerins, chief executive of RehabCare, a non-governmental organization dedicated to helping people achieve their potential.
“More people are dying each year by suicide than on our roads and suicide is now the biggest cause of death among young men in the 15-24 age group."
Youth suicide in Ireland is the fifth highest in Europe, after Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Finland, according to the most recent study of the phenomenon, carried out by a joint committee of the Irish parliament in 2004.
The incidence of self-harm is highest in rural Ireland, with counties like Offaly recording twice the number of suicides as Dublin. The collapse of the construction industry has hit such counties hard, leaving developments of half-finished houses, empty retail parks and long lines at unemployment offices.
After examining at a Jan. 20 hearing five cases of suicide of young and middle-aged men, the County Offaly coroner, Brian Mahon said, “This is just an example of the rampant and really serious situation in Ireland, and particularly in rural areas.” The five cases included a 32-year-old carpenter and father of one facing repossession of his house and a 35-year-old single man with a drug problem.
With abuse of alcohol cited as a factor in four out of 10 suicides, a National Task Force on Suicide recommended in 1998 that drink should be made less available and more expensive; since then beers and spirits have become cheaper and more accessible. The official figures for suicide could be underestimated, this study concluded, as one in 10 road fatalities involving single occupant vehicles is believed to be a deliberate act of self-destruction.
The growing awareness of the problem of suicide in a country where it was once a taboo subject has meant that jocular or sarcastic references to suicide are no longer acceptable.
Ireland’s new prime minister, Enda Kenny, was so moved by the distress of a family he visited after a suicide that he has refused to appear on a popular television current affairs program since October when the host, Vincent Browne, said Kenny should take a bottle of whiskey and a gun and go into a dark room. Browne has since apologized.
A former prime minister, Bertie Ahern, was widely criticized for insensitivity when during the height of the boom in 2007 he said he wondered why those “cribbing and moaning” about a coming downturn did not commit suicide. He too has since regretted his remark.
Suicide rates in Northern Ireland have also risen sharply, especially among young people. Belfast was shocked at the end of January when an 11-year-old girl and a 13-year-old boy took their lives in unrelated circumstances within a 24-hour period.
Editor's note: This story was corrected to remove a reference to a future visit by Clinton to Ireland on behalf of RehabCare, which happened in the past.
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Posted 13 August 2011 - 09:13 AM
This thread reminds me of a radio contest in San Francisco some years ago where the morning dj's offered a case of Snapple to the family of the 1,000th person to jump off of Golden Gate Bridge.
I'm curious to know how that case was received?
I'm curious to know how that case was received?
