Israeli threatens no ‘food, fuel, water, anything’ if occupied Palestinians seek statehood
by Philip Weiss on July 28, 2011
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Noam Sheizaf has a post with a video of Palestinian envoy Riyad Mansour breaking down in the Security Council here. The lines:
Why should the Palestinian people be forced to languish yet another year — or even one more day — under foreign occupation? They should not and they must not. This is the time to end the Israeli occupation. This is the time for Palestine’s independence. This is the time for Palestine and Israel to live side by side in peace and security, and this is the time for a new Middle East. We believe that the international community is ready for that, and we trust that the appropriate actions will be undertaken soon to make this a reality.
Why? Well Mr Mansour, Stewart Ain of the New York Jewish Week, tells you what Israelis are prepared to do to you if you push forward with this initiative:
“There is an undercurrent of what Israel would do if they went ahead with this,” [Gerald Steinberg, neocon and political science professor at Bar-Ilan University] said, referring to reports that the Netanyahu government was considering voiding the Oslo peace accord or annexing settlements. “I don’t think it’s serious but rather is part of the political theater going on — threat, counter-threat. It’s more directed at the Europeans and the UN than anybody else. … And the Palestinians may pull back at the last minute. It’s all part of the theater.”
Should Israel cancel the Oslo Accords, it would no longer be obligated to give the Palestinians food, fuel, water or anything, according to Mordechai Kedar, a lecturer in the Department of Arabic Studies and a researcher at the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies.
“Israel could provide them whatever it wanted on an individual basis but not as a state in the making,” he said. “And they then could forget about the refugee issue and Jerusalem. They would have to live with what they had. In my view, Israel should let them create six city-states in the West Bank and Israel should stay in every area to make sure they don’t fall into the hands of Hezbollah or Hamas.”
“The minute the Palestinians go to the UN by themselves without Israel, they are abrogating the Oslo Accords, which clearly state that an agreement must be made by the two sides and that neither can go to an outside international body without the agreement of the other,” he added.
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, Jul 28 2011 05:42 PM
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- VibeTribe
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Posted 28 July 2011 - 06:05 PM
It has been time for a long time....I'm not holding my breath for the outcome.This is the time for Palestine’s independence. This is the time for Palestine and Israel to live side by side in peace and security, and this is the time for a new Middle East.
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Posted 28 July 2011 - 07:21 PM
The reasonable bunch in the West Bank should get a pretty fair shake in the near-term. The article is rather misleading.
As for the Gazans, let them eat cake.
So the gazans are apparently unreasonable, while the occupiers are showing such great regard for reason?
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- VibeTribe
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Posted 28 July 2011 - 07:26 PM
nope ...no sarcasm here, everyone's opinion is worth while, as someone who has given food to the needy in that country and been thanked by glass thrown at me and at the same time hugged by others i respect that both sides are totally screwed , but we'd never agree on who is right or wrong because there is no right or wrong. They give pleanty of aid to people who want it, and pleanty of aid to people who would dance on their graves.
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Posted 28 July 2011 - 07:48 PM
so when the Israelis build where they are not currently supposed to and then are asked to leave and their house is knocked down it's cool ,but when a few people start killing people and their house is knocked down it's not cool?
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Posted 28 July 2011 - 08:17 PM
Gaza has been Judenrein for several years. After Israel forcibly removed its citizens, the Arabs turned Gaza into a rocket launching pad. All the Arabs have to do for peace is not kill Jews.So the gazans are apparently unreasonable, while the occupiers are showing such great regard for reason?
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Posted 28 July 2011 - 08:27 PM
Gaza has been Judenrein for several years. After Israel forcibly removed its citizens, the Arabs turned Gaza into a rocket launching pad. All the Arabs have to do for peace is not kill Jews.
peace on whose terms? you expect no reaction to people being, as you said, forcibly removed from their homes? no killing is justified, on either end, but who is the instigator here?
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Posted 28 July 2011 - 08:35 PM
Gaza has been Judenrein for several years. After Israel forcibly removed its citizens, the Arabs turned Gaza into a rocket launching pad. All the Arabs have to do for peace is not kill Jews.
The term Judenrein is rather harsh in any use. But understanding the nature of the comment, i see it for its intended use.
peace on whose terms? you expect no reaction to people being, as you said, forcibly removed from their homes? no killing is justified, on either end, but who is the instigator here?
IASW is refering to the fact that Gaza has belonged to the Palestinians for some time. They are however, heavily embargo'd and at times perhaps, instigated.
I am in no shape or form a side taker in the conflict. Both sides hold burden in the affair. Hamas, I believe, is an unfortunate side effect from the 6 day war and the occupation. A build up of resentment was inevitable. Hamas is the extreme one would hope wouldn't sprout from the happenings within the sides. But there it is.
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Posted 29 July 2011 - 02:03 AM
Collective punishment is just plain wrong.
Friday, July 22 2011|Noam Sheizaf
IDF’s reply confirms collective punishment of Palestinian village
On Saturday night, I posted a clip showing IDF forces shooting tear gas and throwing stun grenades at Palestinian houses in the middle of the night. The incident occurred in the West Bank village of Nabi Saleh, where unarmed protest against the confiscation of the village’s land takes place every Friday.
Here is the video again. After the army cars stop, you can hear the weapons being loaded. Then there are the blasts, and the silhouettes of the soldiers throwing more and more grenades at the local houses. The occasional shots you see are the gas launchers, fired in several directions. Around one minute into the clip, you can hear the tear gas spreading near the Palestinian photographer (and later again around 1:20). Note that there is nothing else happening in the street, and there is no Palestinian in sight. The soldiers aren’t under any kind of threat.
On Sunday morning, I contacted IDF Spokesperson for a comment on the video. It took them the entire week, but I finally got a reply:
“At the time of the described event, tires were set on fire near Nabi Saleh, and a roadblock made of stones was set on a nearby road, which interfered with routine security activities. It should be noted that disturbance of public order takes place in Nabi Saleh every week, as well as popular H.S.A (Hostile Sabotage Activity – an army codename to terrorism).
Regarding the burning tires and the roadblock, the army is basically confirming that the action which was caught on tape was a form punishment against the village’s people. After all, even if you accept the army’s version, nothing in the video indicates an attempt to deal with the security issue itself – i.e. the tires and those who put them there – the soldiers are simply shooting in all directions. This is the heart of the matter: even the army doesn’t try to portray the event shown in the clip as direct action against a security threat, but instead uses things that [may have] happened outside the village, on a nearby road, to justify the soldiers’ behavior.
The last part of the comment is inaccurate, to say the least: No terrorist activity has taken place in Nabi Saleh in recent years. Stones are hurled during demonstrations, and I heard reports of Molotov cocktails, though those were very rare. The protests taking place in the village are strictly unarmed – even the army doesn’t dispute that.
The fact that IDF spokesperson felt a need to add a comment about the weekly protest in Nabi Saleh only goes to show that as I suggested, this was an attempt to terrorize defenseless people, so that they would stop protesting.
From my own personal experience as a soldier and an officer in the West Bank, I can testify that these forms of collective punishment against Palestinian civilians who happen to live where protest is taking place is very common. The only unique thing about this incident is that it was caught on tape.
http://972mag.com/nabi-19181-1109/
Friday, July 22 2011|Noam Sheizaf
IDF’s reply confirms collective punishment of Palestinian village
On Saturday night, I posted a clip showing IDF forces shooting tear gas and throwing stun grenades at Palestinian houses in the middle of the night. The incident occurred in the West Bank village of Nabi Saleh, where unarmed protest against the confiscation of the village’s land takes place every Friday.
Here is the video again. After the army cars stop, you can hear the weapons being loaded. Then there are the blasts, and the silhouettes of the soldiers throwing more and more grenades at the local houses. The occasional shots you see are the gas launchers, fired in several directions. Around one minute into the clip, you can hear the tear gas spreading near the Palestinian photographer (and later again around 1:20). Note that there is nothing else happening in the street, and there is no Palestinian in sight. The soldiers aren’t under any kind of threat.
On Sunday morning, I contacted IDF Spokesperson for a comment on the video. It took them the entire week, but I finally got a reply:
“At the time of the described event, tires were set on fire near Nabi Saleh, and a roadblock made of stones was set on a nearby road, which interfered with routine security activities. It should be noted that disturbance of public order takes place in Nabi Saleh every week, as well as popular H.S.A (Hostile Sabotage Activity – an army codename to terrorism).
Regarding the burning tires and the roadblock, the army is basically confirming that the action which was caught on tape was a form punishment against the village’s people. After all, even if you accept the army’s version, nothing in the video indicates an attempt to deal with the security issue itself – i.e. the tires and those who put them there – the soldiers are simply shooting in all directions. This is the heart of the matter: even the army doesn’t try to portray the event shown in the clip as direct action against a security threat, but instead uses things that [may have] happened outside the village, on a nearby road, to justify the soldiers’ behavior.
The last part of the comment is inaccurate, to say the least: No terrorist activity has taken place in Nabi Saleh in recent years. Stones are hurled during demonstrations, and I heard reports of Molotov cocktails, though those were very rare. The protests taking place in the village are strictly unarmed – even the army doesn’t dispute that.
The fact that IDF spokesperson felt a need to add a comment about the weekly protest in Nabi Saleh only goes to show that as I suggested, this was an attempt to terrorize defenseless people, so that they would stop protesting.
From my own personal experience as a soldier and an officer in the West Bank, I can testify that these forms of collective punishment against Palestinian civilians who happen to live where protest is taking place is very common. The only unique thing about this incident is that it was caught on tape.
http://972mag.com/nabi-19181-1109/
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