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#1 holysmokes

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 04:25 PM

I smell a rat!

 

http://www.usatoday....abeing/3450705/



#2 Tim the Beek

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 04:35 PM

The official count is still going...apparently there are quite a few mail in ballots which hadn't been counted as of articles like that being published.

My guess is that it will still be defeated.

"The system isn't broken. It's fixed."



#3 hippieskichick

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 04:39 PM



"The system isn't broken. It's fixed."

 

 

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 04:53 PM

i wonder what the voter turn out was like there and how many of those that didn't vote were for labeling vs not voting and not for labeling ? 

 

 

Registered Voters = 3,913,907

 

Total Ballots Counted to Date 1,183,407

 

Turnout %  30.24

 

Estimated Ballots on Hand to

be Processed 422,157

 

so if another 5% - 7% of the non voters voted, and voted for labeling, this would have passed.

that would be 3% of the total registed voters.

 

422,000 is still within the margin for passing, but more than 50% of those would have to be for it.



#5 holysmokes

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 05:02 PM

"The No on 522 campaign set a record for fundraising, bringing in $22 million in donations according to The Seattle Times. Just $550 came from Washington residents, according to the newspaper. The top five contributors were the Grocery Manufacturers Association, Monsanto, DuPont Pioneer, Dow AgroSciences and Bayer CropScience."

 

sigh



#6 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 05:08 PM

My question is, what was the language used on the intiative at the ballot box?

 

The reason? Here in NY, (not that im against it) there was an initiative to allow for gambling casinos and the language used was that is was a job creator and revenue bringer for the state. It passed overwhelmingly.



#7 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 05:09 PM

"The No on 522 campaign set a record for fundraising, bringing in $22 million in donations according to The Seattle Times. Just $550 came from Washington residents, according to the newspaper. The top five contributors were the Grocery Manufacturers Association, Monsanto, DuPont Pioneer, Dow AgroSciences and Bayer CropScience."

 

sigh

 

I hear ya. but at the same time, shame on people for being gullible and low information on the subject. All the advertisements in the world would have little effect if the voters were well educated on teh subject and their resolve clear.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 05:33 PM

My question is, what was the language used on the intiative at the ballot box?

 

The reason? Here in NY, (not that im against it) there was an initiative to allow for gambling casinos and the language used was that is was a job creator and revenue bringer for the state. It passed overwhelmingly.

 

i lost on that one, didn't want it.

i think the quote that sold me was something like, before gambling AC was a slum, now it is a slum w/ 11 casinos.

 

it could have been the "jobs story" or it could be som ejust wwant a local casino.

 

the biggest win for where i live was sold the same way - jobs

the jobs will be minimum wage, no benefits, retail stores, hotel and a wheel

All the profits will go off island, as well as more than 80% of the taxes.

 

lets see what that one in WA looks like

 

Ballot text

The following was the ballot text on file with the Washington Secretary of State's office and provided by the initiative's supporters:[10]

 

Initiative Measure No. 522 concerns labeling of genetically-engineered foods.

This measure would require most raw agricultural commodities, processed foods, and seeds and seed stocks, if produced using genetic engineering as defined, to be labeled as genetically engineered when offered for retail sale.

Should this measure be enacted into law?
Yes [ ]
No [ ]



#9 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 06:02 PM

Thanks for the research, feck.



#10 Feck

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 06:26 PM

how many non voteres do you think would have been for the labeling, > or < 7% ? 



#11 holysmokes

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 06:35 PM

I would like to know the rationale for No.  

 

The rationale for Yes; the ability to make informed decisions.

 

how many non voteres do you think would have been for the labeling, > or < 7% ? 

 

Implies the voting system is legit.   Which I question sometimes, but I will bite.  I'd say > 7%.  What do you think? 



#12 hippieskichick

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 06:58 PM

I would like to know the rationale for No.  

 

The rationale for Yes; the ability to make informed decisions.

 

 

I'd like to throw out a guess here.... Some people don't WANT to know.

 

I recall talking to my bestie back in Idaho about the massive amounts of Roundup she was dumping on her front driveway to kill weeds. Now, she's a super mega science geek like myself - teaches high school physics. I said 'you know damn well what that stuff is, and what it can do to you'. Her response? I don't want to think about it. I don't want to worry about it. Same response when I tried to talk to her about organic vs conventional, esp considering she just had a baby. Her response again - ignorance is bliss. She says she wants to be happy when she eats, not constantly stressing and worrying. 

 

I would guess she's not the only one who thinks like that. I don't understand it, but people think differently than me. 



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 07:42 PM

while i have little data to base it on, i would think >7% of the non voters would have liked to see it on all the lables.

 

some of the "no lable" arguments - not no vote, just no lable.

http://www.votenoon5...acts-about-522/

 

i do not agree with these, but then again i do not live in Washington so mmmv

 

i think voting for props gets a betterer bang for the buck than voting for elected officials.

but then again elected officials have over ridden 2 votes for term limits in NYC, so it is what it is.

 

any suggestions on how to run this place without voting or fixing it so it works?

did it ever ?



#14 holysmokes

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 09:28 PM

I'd like to throw out a guess here.... Some people don't WANT to know.

 

I recall talking to my bestie back in Idaho about the massive amounts of Roundup she was dumping on her front driveway to kill weeds. Now, she's a super mega science geek like myself - teaches high school physics. I said 'you know damn well what that stuff is, and what it can do to you'. Her response? I don't want to think about it. I don't want to worry about it. Same response when I tried to talk to her about organic vs conventional, esp considering she just had a baby. Her response again - ignorance is bliss. She says she wants to be happy when she eats, not constantly stressing and worrying. 

 

I would guess she's not the only one who thinks like that. I don't understand it, but people think differently than me. 

 

I surmise the people who don't want to know are the same ones who don't read labels anyway, so I doubt it would affect their lives one iota. 



#15 holysmokes

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 10:02 PM

some of the "no lable" arguments - not no vote, just no lable.

http://www.votenoon5...acts-about-522/

 

i do not agree with these, but then again i do not live in Washington so mmmv

I have to laugh, or else I will cry.  What a joke.

 

 

i think voting for props gets a betterer bang for the buck than voting for elected officials.

Definitely!  Too bad every state didn't have voter propositions.  I know NYS would be a lot cooler if it did.

 

 

any suggestions on how to run this place without voting or fixing it so it works?

No sir, I am afraid I don't have any suggestions.  I wish I did.

 

 

did it ever ?

Good question.  I don't know, I'd like to think so, but I can't point to any instance where it did.  Can you?