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#401 Java Time

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 06:43 PM

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I am truly surprised that after your mom's pic was published the police didnt change their way of doing business i.e. escort li'l ladies out the door in lieu of arresting.

Stops the threat of a riot as on lookers don't get an angry mob mentality (lol) it would put the police in a better light publicly and save taxpayers money because your mom wouldn't have a trial as well as the other oldies and children....then if they refuse the exiting, the cops wouldn't be the bad guys as they'd really be doing their job. Police are allowed to use judgement calls aren't they for the greater good? Although yer mom looks like a trouble maker and no doubt put up a struggle with 5 cops ...lol

#402 JBetty

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 06:43 PM

It is rather ridiculous that they handcuff and photograph people for an offense that is the equivalent of a speeding ticket.

 

"Petty, mean spirited and stupid" indeed.



#403 concert andy

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 07:14 PM

:popcorn1:



#404 Joker

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 07:25 PM

I didn't realize the policy of requiring a permit for groups holding events has been in place since 1979 and all Walker did was put a specific number on what constitutes a group. So it looks like the union protesters are just trying to circumvent something that has been in place for decades by being less than honest and insisting they're not a group. That, to me, pretty much negates the argument that this is all about silencing dissent.

 

 

 

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#405 MeOmYo

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 07:42 PM

:lmao:

 

Game.  Set.  Match.

 

congratulations Joker, you win the internet!



#406 Depends

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 08:07 PM

"tell him what he's won, Bob"

 

"Joker, you have won the ability to believe whatever the heck you wish"

 

:rolling:



#407 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 08:10 PM

Meanwhile, in not so first world complaints....



#408 Joker

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 08:52 PM

Still undefeated!!!

 



#409 concert andy

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 08:55 PM

Joker:  The Undisputed Champion of arguing until the other person quits.

 

:lol:



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Posted 27 August 2013 - 02:38 AM

It was more of a pass out than a knock out.   I even bored myself....  :rolling:



#411 JBetty

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 03:03 PM

Silly boardies.   :rolling:

I love you all.   :heart:

Even that argumentative asshole dude.   :smile:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My sister got arrested again yesterday.

Here are the stats.

 

Dad - 3

Mom - 1

SisterM - 2

Brother in law - 1

SisterB - 0



#412 MeOmYo

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 03:13 PM

looks like SisterB needs to step her game up a bit



#413 JBetty

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 03:18 PM

SisterB has a press pass that she thinks will keep her off the Group W bench.

But her editor got arrested the other week so....   :dunno:



#414 TEO

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 03:42 PM

Odds on SisterB hitting the bench?



#415 JBetty

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 03:54 PM

I'd say pretty close to 100%, since this is not going to end anytime soon and she's there almost daily.

The only question is when.



#416 TEO

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 03:59 PM

Next Wednesday 10:48 am.  (This is like one of those pick the baby's date and time?)



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Posted 27 August 2013 - 04:00 PM

I am truly surprised that after your mom's pic was published the police didnt change their way of doing business i.e. escort li'l ladies out the door in lieu of arresting. Stops the threat of a riot as on lookers don't get an angry mob mentality (lol) it would put the police in a better light publicly and save taxpayers money because your mom wouldn't have a trial as well as the other oldies and children....then if they refuse the exiting, the cops wouldn't be the bad guys as they'd really be doing their job. Police are allowed to use judgement calls aren't they for the greater good? Although yer mom looks like a trouble maker and no doubt put up a struggle with 5 cops ...lol

 

 

Common sense would dictate so, but Walker fired the old chief who was happy to work with the protesters for everyone's safety and hired the new heavy handed guy so that's not the way it's going to play out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mom was visiting last week and brought me one of these iron on patches.

 

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She also brought me a shirt with this picture on it.

Too bad it's too small.

 

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#418 JBetty

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 04:03 PM

Next Wednesday 10:48 am.  (This is like one of those pick the baby's date and time?)

  

 

You already lose.  :lol:

Arrests only occur between 1:00 and 2:00pm eastern time.

 

I think we can go with just the date for this one.

You going to stick with Wednesday 9/4?



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Posted 27 August 2013 - 04:56 PM

Even that argumentative asshole dude.   :smile:

An argumentative asshole dude boardie?   You are gonna have to be more specific...



#420 TEO

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 04:56 PM

Yes please.

 

Awesome pics!



#421 Joker

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 05:05 PM

An argumentative asshole dude boardie?   You are gonna have to be more specific...

Without a superlative in there she's clearly not referring to either of us   :hmmm:



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Posted 27 August 2013 - 05:10 PM

Show Time!

 

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 05:17 PM

Yesterday's scuffle.

Regular singers are pissed at this guy for resisting.

 



#424 Joker

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 05:19 PM

I read someplace that he was down there protesting often. This is the type of thing that's going to bring in more trouble. There's a couple of other people who start jumping up in the faces of the cops.



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Posted 27 August 2013 - 05:22 PM

Postal Union Members Give Boost to Solidarity Sing Along

 

 

August 25, 2013  by Rebecca Kemble

Members of the National Postal Press Association donated $1,000 to the First Amendment Protection Fund at their conference banquet on Saturday night. NPPA President Tony Carobine also announced that the American Postal Workers Union had pledged to donate an additional $4,000 to help defray court costs of people who have been arrested at the Wisconsin State Capitol rotunda during the Solidarity Sing Along over the past month.

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National Postal Press Association President Tony Carobine presents a check to Katy Reeder of the First Amendment Protection Fund. Photo by Chaous

The US Postal Service is the second largest civilian employer in the country, and postal workers are under attack. From cuts in insurance benefits and reduction of service hours to closures of rural offices and mail processing facilities, postal workers are facing battles on multiple fronts. The biennial gathering of postal union newsletter editors, most of whom are volunteers, seemed to be buoyed by the spirit of defiance and struggle for workers rights that is alive and well in Madison.

On Friday many dozens of NPPA conference attendees joined the Solidarity Sing Along on the lawn of the Capitol, swelling the crowd to around 300. Here are a few images from Friday afternoon’s sing:

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NPPA Secretary-Treasurer Edward Brennan (left) is joined by other members.

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Jim Gabe, Editor of The Spectrum, Oklahoma City, OK.

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Part of the crowd during Friday’s Sing Along.

The presentation of the check was made by NPPA President Tony Carobine to Mary Ray Worley, who organized Sing Along participants to share some of their songs with the group of editors from the NPPA. Mary’s husband Tom Ray Worley is a member of the APWU Local 241.

“More than one person told me that going to the Sing Along on Friday was the highlight of the conference for them. They were really inspired,” said Worley.

More than 150 people have been issued $200.50 citations over the past month, some of them multiple times for a total of nearly 300 citations. Most of those people have already requested or will be requesting jury trials. The fee for a 6-person jury is $36. In addition, several other people have been arrested on misdemeanor obstruction and/or resisting charges, including the editor of The Progressive magazine who was doing his job as a reporter at the time.

In total over $70,000 in fines and court costs have been racked up by people willing to face down the harassment and intimidation tactics of Governor Scott Walker’s administration and assert their constitutional right to express their grievances in the traditional public forum that is the Capitol rotunda.

Postal workers aren’t new to the labor struggle in Wisconsin. Here’s a video from February 20, 2011 when APWU Local 3 out of Milwaukee unfurled their banner during the more than 2-week occupation of the Capitol:

The postal workers’ generous donation of $5,000 in financial support is not only a material boost for the people who are on the front lines of fighting for first and fourth amendment rights in the Capitol; it also represents an enormous gesture of solidarity between a large labor organization and those at the epicenter of daily struggle against Scott Walker, one of the biggest union-busters in the country.



#426 Joker

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 05:25 PM

Tell your folks to be careful if they continue to show up there



#427 Java Time

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 05:30 PM

Common sense would dictate so, but Walker fired the old chief who was happy to work with the protesters for everyone's safety and hired the new heavy handed guy so that's not the way it's going to play out. Mom was visiting last week and brought me one of these iron on patches. [img]http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i329/JBetty123/Family/Mom872013_zpsf2fc97ba.jpg[/img] She also brought me a shirt with this picture on it.Too bad it's too small. [img]http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i329/JBetty123/Family/Pic2_zpsd7ef9818.jpg[/img]


Awesome none the less...Pa Betty better watch out....Java might have a crush on bad ass ma betty :blush: :heart: :blush:

#428 JBetty

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 05:36 PM

:lol:

 

 

 

 

PaBetty, MaBetty and MBetty are safe until next week.

At least Walker's goons won't get them.

They're off to Washington DC for the long weekend to cause some REAL trouble!   :Phishfolk:



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Posted 27 August 2013 - 05:58 PM

I think I'm gonna start a bail bond service.   gonna make bank just on the Betty family alone.

 

 

Already have a name, if I can just get the number 625.2656  "When in jail, Call 'MALCOLM' for bail"  :rolling:



#430 JBetty

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 06:02 PM

Awesomesauce!   :clap:

Now I don't have to bother looking for that website people use to beg others for money.

 

May I suggest using 331-3637 instead?   :wink:



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Posted 27 August 2013 - 06:32 PM

Awesomesauce!   :clap:

Now I don't have to bother looking for that website people use to beg others for money.

 

May I suggest using 867-5309 instead?   :wink:

 

Why not ask Jenny?



#432 JBetty

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 07:17 PM

Cuz I might need $11 too.  



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Posted 27 August 2013 - 10:39 PM

So how many charges have been filed against these nasty ones for their mistreatment of the protesters? With all the talk of them abusing their power and heavy handed Gestapo tactics there must be plenty.

 

 

 

I hear that a class action law suit is in the works.



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Posted 27 August 2013 - 11:59 PM

Well surprise, surprise, surprise!

(not really)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Today, members of the Madison Police Department came to the capitol to join the Solidarity Sing Along in the capitol rotunda, and to protest the Capitol PD's unlawful arrests of peaceful protesters.

Reader Supported News makes the case for why the Wisconsin State Capitol Police Department should be abolished: http://bit.ly/18iNXyE

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22 year old Damon Terrell is arrested while taking pictures of a protest in the Wisconsin Capital Rotunda.


The Wisconsin State Capitol Police Should Be Abolished

By Carl Gibson, Reader Supported News

27 August 13

 

"On my honor, I will never betray my badge, my integrity, my character, or the public trust. I will always have the courage to hold myself and others accountable for our actions. I will always uphold the constitution, and will remain loyal to my community and the agency I serve." -Law Enforcement Oath of Honor

rsn-I.jpg've written twice explaining the ridiculous lengths Wisconsin State Capitol Police are willing to go to arrest people for singing without a permit. But on August 26th, the Capitol PD escalated it even more, from merely arresting singers and observers to violently attacking them. This excessively antagonistic behavior exhibited when responding to nonviolent protests is only made worse by the department's chief and top deputy both getting questionably large raises in the midst of the crackdown. The Capitol Police have repeatedly violated every part of the oath taken by all law enforcement, are an unnecessary burden on Wisconsin taxpayers and should be abolished.

Since July 24, State Capitol Police Chief David Erwin has been ordering the daily mass arrests of singers in the capitol rotunda, issuing over 300 citations for "unlawful assembly." In a 40-page ruling in mid-July, a federal judge threw out the Walker administration's rules that groups larger than four require a permit to assemble in public spaces. Judge Conley also wrote in detail about how the Wisconsin state capitol has traditionally been used as a public forum for the people to meet and peaceably air their grievances to their government without fear of arrest or intimidation. Article 1, Section 4, of the Wisconsin State Constitution prioritizes the rights of free speech and free assembly as fundamental rights of every citizen of the state. By arresting nonviolent dissenters for exercising their constitutional rights, Chief Erwin has betrayed the law enforcement oath, failing to uphold the constitution.

Since Judge Conley isn't ruling until January 2014 on new restrictions that forbid groups larger than 20 from assembling without a permit, Chief Erwin is using the lack of judicial precedent to arbitrarily arrest any participant in the Solidarity Singalong. Arrestees have included a sitting city alder, a school board member, two firefighers, teenagers, grandmothers, teachers, journalists, mothers with small children, and many others. On August 26th, two brothers, 25-year-old CJ and 22-year-old Damon Terrell, were both violently arrested in a shocking display of police brutality previously unseen in the state capitol. Even local TV stations have dedicated editorial time to criticizing the Capitol Police Department for "overkill."

This video clearly shows police arresting CJ Terrell for singing. He sits down and refuses to cooperate with an illegal arrest, asking instead for his citation to be issued in the rotunda rather than going through the process of being handcuffed and processed in the capitol basement. His younger brother, Damon, was taking pictures and observing when Capitol Police advanced on him. In the video, you can see him backing away with his hands up before four officers tackle him to the ground without provocation. One officer claimed he was injured while arresting Damon, and Damon is being tentatively charged with felony battery of an officer. At the time of this writing, Damon is still being held in Dane County Jail without bond. While some local media chose to only get the DoA's account of what happened, several eyewitness accounts, including my own, attest that Damon's arresting officer got a small cut on his arm from a reporter's watch as he lunged after Damon, whom he decided to blame for the small injury. Through his brutal means of enforcement, Erwin has failed the oath he and his department swore to uphold.

Chief Erwin has also directly contradicted Department of Administration policy when it comes to the arrests of singers who don't have a permit. When asked in December of 2011 whether or not violators of the permit policy would be arrested, former DoA spokeswoman Jocelyn Webster said, "There's a fundamental misunderstanding of this policy if there was a belief arrests were going to stem from this policy." She was also quoted in a different report saying, "No one is going to be arrested for not being in compliance with the permit policy. It's kind of funny that anybody even thinks that they would be. The standard by which law enforcement will take law enforcement action remains the same." By violating the policy of the agency that oversees his department, Chief Erwin has violated the law enforcement oath, refusing to hold himself or his deputies accountable for their actions.

Chief Erwin was appointed to head the capitol police by Governor Scott Walker after former chief Charlie Tubbs was forced out and shifted to a new position as Dane County Emergency Manager. Many Republicans in Wisconsin were upset at Tubbs' humane treatment of the protesters who occupied the state capitol in early 2011, when he made the decision to talk and reason with the protesters instead of arresting them all and throwing them out. Erwin and the Walker Department of Administration, which oversees the capitol police, are now under scrutiny after it was reported that Erwin and his top deputy, Dan Blackdeer, all engaged in a bureaucratic shell game to circumvent state rules against hefty, spontaneous pay raises for specific individuals.

While Walker gave all public employees a 1% raise this year, he moved Erwin and Blackdeer to two "phantom jobs" within the DoA for just one day, then moved them back to their old positions with double-digit pay raises. Chief Erwin now makes over $111,000 a year, $720 of which was retroactive. Some Wisconsin state legislators have called for an investigation into the pay increases to see if they followed state rules, which forbid retroactive pay increases for public employees.

Exhibit A in the Kissick v. Huebsch lawsuit filed by the ACLU showed that roughly 90% of all arrests ordered by Chief Erwin were dismissed in court. This is clear evidence that Erwin is not only costing the state more tax dollars through his unjustified and excessive salary increase, but also in superfluous court costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars, incurred through Erwin's unlawful suppression of dissent. In gaming the state out of money for an unjustified raise, Chief Erwin has violated the law enforcement oath by betraying the public trust. Erwin should be fired, and the Capitol Police Department should be abolished.

I'm not saying to do away with police protection for elected officials conducting the state's business. But just as the Wisconsin Department of Administration, which oversees the capitol building and the state capitol police, contracts with the City of Madison Fire Department and EMT services, there's no reason they can't also contract with the Madison Police Department for any law enforcement needs.

University of Wisconsin Police Chief Sue Riseling summed it up best in her testimony at a July public hearing on the DoA's permitting rules.

"It is more important that the principles of democracy remain healthy, than it is for a building interior to remain quiet."

 


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:37 PM

Got to love how they go from being fascist goons to being good guys depending on how they can be best be used to help further the cause.    

 

If the comments under that article are any indication of the mindset of even a few of the protesters it could get really ugly and all the good will that the peaceful protesters have generated will be quickly washed away.

 

 

http://readersupport...ld-be-abolished

 

 


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:45 PM

Got to love how they go from being fascist goons to being good guys depending on how they can be best be used to help further the cause.    

 

If the comments under that article are any indication of the mindset of even a few of the protesters it could get really ugly and all the good will that the peaceful protesters have generated will be quickly washed away.

 

 

http://readersupport...ld-be-abolished

 

 

 

 

gotta love how you continue to twist shit to further whatever agenda you have.

 

Don't lump the Capitol Police with outside LEOs.  The Capitol Police Goons were brought in for heavy handedness and they are taking full advantage of the situation.

 

I'm not sure if you live in a state of fear all the time for "what could go wrong" or if that mindset was just ingrained in you during your LEO days.  Sad really though.



#437 JBetty

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:52 PM

Got to love how they go from being fascist goons to being good guys depending on how they can be best be used to help further the cause.    

 

If the comments under that article are any indication of the mindset of even a few of the protesters it could get really ugly and all the good will that the peaceful protesters have generated will be quickly washed away.

 

 

http://readersupport...ld-be-abolished

 

 

 

 

 

Capitol police and Madison police are separate entities.

 

Any comment on police union brothers throwing police union brothers under the bus?  :wink:



#438 Tim the Beek

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:54 PM

Got to love how they go from being fascist goons to being good guys...

 


I'm pretty damned sure it makes no sense to try to label a whole group with just one label.

There are cops out there who are true peace officers, who understand what "To serve and protect" means.

And there are those who think that their badge makes them superior to "civilians," who are becoming increasingly militarized, and who are a very meaningful danger to our maintaining a free society.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:56 PM

I'm not sure if you live in a state of fear all the time for "what could go wrong" or if that mindset was just ingrained in you during your LEO days.  

 

 

I would image that worst case scenarios must be seriously considered when doing police work.

But assuming the worst case scenario is going to happen and treating peaceful protesters like it is happening is a different story.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:18 PM


I'm pretty damned sure it makes no sense to try to label a whole group with just one label.

There are cops out there who are true peace officers, who understand what "To serve and protect" means.

And there are those who think that their badge makes them superior to "civilians," who are becoming increasingly militarized, and who are a very meaningful danger to our maintaining a free society.

 

 

Watch list'd



#441 Java Time

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:18 PM

During "occupy" I'll admit I thought Carl G. over exaggerated the truth a bit if not outright lied re police conduct...but in this case he doesn't appear to be too far off the mark...perhaps because he doesn't need to this time out or he's finally learning ethical journalism techniques? Either way the capitol cops are starting to look bad. I don't know if he's embellishing on their pay or not but conduct he seems spot on.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:24 PM

I'm pretty damned sure it makes no sense to try to label a whole group with just one label.
There are cops out there who are true peace officers, who understand what "To serve and protect" means.
And there are those who think that their badge makes them superior to "civilians," who are becoming increasingly militarized, and who are a very meaningful danger to our maintaining a free society.


Watch list'd


Pretty sure TtB has been on that list since meeting up with his wife :eek1:

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:38 PM

Capitol police and Madison police are separate entities.

 

Any comment on police union brothers throwing police union brothers under the bus?   :wink:

Yes, they are but most of the anti police insults being thrown around don't seem to differentiate.

 

Who was throwing who under the bus?

 

You're not referring to the silly meme you posted are you?



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:42 PM

:popcorn1:



#445 Joker

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:43 PM


I'm pretty damned sure it makes no sense to try to label a whole group with just one label.

There are cops out there who are true peace officers, who understand what "To serve and protect" means.

And there are those who think that their badge makes them superior to "civilians," who are becoming increasingly militarized, and who are a very meaningful danger to our maintaining a free society.

 

I agree 100%, it's a shame many protesters prefer to lump them all together 



#446 Tim the Beek

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:43 PM

Pretty sure TtB has been on that list since meeting up with his wife :eek1:


Prolly even before. Prolly.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:47 PM

I have been practicing how to whistle.   I'm getting lots of practice time :rolling:



#448 Joker

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:52 PM

I have been practicing how to whistle.   I'm getting lots of practice time :rolling:

You just put your lips together and suck it 



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:55 PM

You just put your lips together and suck it 

always changing quotes to fit your agenda...  :rolling:

 



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:59 PM

Yes, they are but most of the anti police insults being thrown around don't seem to differentiate.

 

Who was throwing who under the bus?

 

You're not referring to the silly meme you posted are you?

 

 

Oh please - It's pretty darn clear that when they're talking about the heavy handed tactics the police are using, they are referring to the Capitol police and not the Madison police who are there supporting the protesters.  :rolleyes:

 

And I love all the silly memes that are going around.

Especially all the ones about my mother.   :rolling:

But meme or no meme, the fact is that Madison police officers are there supporting the protesters, and they are not happy that their fellow police union brothers (the Capitol police, in case you are still confused) are being major asshats.