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#1 TEO

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 01:34 PM

Soy is touted as a health food, and yet it is found, unfermented and highly processed, in just about every junk food and processed item in the grocery store. And unfortunately, all commercial chickens, turkeys, ducks, dairy cows, pigs and beef cows (unless specified “grass fed”) are fed a soy-based diet, which impacts the health of the humans who eat them. All of them. You cannot find any meat product (besides grass-fed beef or lamb) in the grocery store that has not been contaminated with soy.

I personally avoid soy and will not even feed my animals soy. Here are some of the reasons I avoid soy:

1. Soy Consumption Can Cause Hypothyroidism

Consuming soy creates a three-fold increased risk of hypothyroidism. -The effect of soy phytoestrogen supplementation on thyroid status and cardiovascular risk markers in patients with subclinical hypothyroidism: a randomized, double-blind, crossover study and -Soy phytoestrogens increased risk for overt hypothyroidism

2. Soy Consumption Can Cause Thyroid Cancer

Thyroid cancer is an “estrogen-dependent disease” and soy has extremely high levels of phytoestrogens. A diet that is low in soy (which is impossible if you are eating packaged, processed foods and conventional meat from American grocery stores) is preventative against thyroid cancer. -Phytoestrogens and thyroid cancer risk: the San Francisco Bay Area thyroid cancer study

3. Soy Consumption Can Cause Endometrial Cancer

Long term treatment with soy supplements causes endometrial hyperplasia, which can lead to endometrial cancer. -Endometrial effects of long-term treatment with phytoestrogens: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study

4. The Relationship Between Phytoestrogens in Soy and Cancer is Confusing, to Say the Least

I am not going to volunteer to consume soy for this reason: it does something to cancer. There are several recent studies (many funded by soy product manufacturers) that say that the phytoestrogens in soy will prevent or diminish various types of cancer. This research is questionable (we should always question studies that were funded by the food manufacturers themselves), because there are also studies that prove that the exact opposite is true–that the phytoestrogens in soy may increase chances of cancer or cause cancer to grow. One study said that phytoestrogens from soy may be beneficial in protection against cancer if fed before puberty. -Phytoestrogens and breast cancer Another study says, basically, they really don’t know. We know that estrogen causes breast cancer, but we don’t really know if phytoestrogens (plant-based estrogens) in soy cause or prevent breast cancer. It says, “the relevant research is complicated, inconsistent, and inconclusive.” -Phytoestrogens and breast cancer And yet another study says that phytoestrogen from soy can “markedly enhance tumor cell proliferation,” thus causing the cancer to grow. -Phytoestrogen Interaction with Estrogen Receptors in Human Breast Cancer Cells 

I’m avoiding it, because the truth is, we really don’t know. It’s not a necessary part of the diet. Unfermented soy was not eaten by any traditional culture, and therefore, we do not even have anecdotal evidence of any health benefits of raw or processed soy.

 

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#2 hippieskichick

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 01:46 PM

#5. Monsanto. 'Nuff said.



#3 jnjn

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 01:46 PM

i wouldn't go as far to say that it may cause cancer, but soy definitely acts as a phytoestrogen which doesn't sit well with me.  i do consume tofu every now & again, but try not to make it a staple of my diet.  it annoys the crap out of me that soy is present in the majority of packaged foods, though...even items considered "healthy".  if it's processed & in a box/wrapper it prolly contains soy, prolly :undecided:



#4 TEO

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 02:00 PM

Having developed a soy allergy has made me quite aware of how prevalent it is in processed foods.



#5 Tim the Beek

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:22 PM

Further argument for a whole food diet...



#6 Misha

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 11:15 PM

Scary to think how much soy I ate when I was a total vegetarian! Back then soy was the be all end all health food (according to people who were lifetime health food vegetarians and told me that)!



#7 hippieskichick

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 12:24 AM

 Back then soy was the be all end all health food (according to people who were lifetime health food vegetarians and told me that)!

 

 

Back then? People still honk about it. Tofu this, and tofu that. A lot of them are a bit snotty about it - kinda makes me want throw that nasty shit at them, ignorant bastards! Yuk!



#8 hoagie

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 12:07 PM

how do you eat chinese food without soy sauce?



#9 hippieskichick

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 12:29 PM

I personally don't eat chinese food unless I cook it myself. I do use organic soy sauce, so at least I am avoiding some of the gmo issues with soy.



#10 hippieskichick

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 12:34 PM

Plus, I prefer not to eat cats.



#11 TEO

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 12:51 PM

Take out Chinese is no longer part of my diet.



#12 hoagie

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:03 PM

Take out Chinese is no longer part of my diet.

 

VT take-out chinese would also be off my diet.  :lol:



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:05 PM

fermented soy has much less issues.  (real) soy sauce is fermented.

 

also miso is fine, for the most part



#14 Tim the Beek

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:37 PM

Plus, I prefer not to eat cats.


china will be really disappointed.



#15 hippieskichick

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:16 PM


china will be really disappointed.

 

 

:rotf:  I can make an exception!



#16 china cat

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 05:48 PM

:rotf:



#17 scarfire

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 04:01 PM

tempeh is considered a superfood. i eat it all the time. i refuse to stop eating tempeh. :bash:  :bigsmile:



#18 namaste

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 01:19 PM

how do you eat chinese food without soy sauce?

 

 

coconut amigos



#19 grateful_1

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 02:09 PM

And here I thought they 4 were chicken, beef, pork and turkey!

 

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#20 Jersey Thug

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 04:30 PM

Further argument for a whole food diet...

 

yup.  



#21 Jabadoodle

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 04:43 PM

Soy is touted as a health food, and yet it is found, unfermented and highly processed, in just about every junk food and processed item in the grocery store. And unfortunately, all commercial chickens, turkeys, ducks, dairy cows, pigs and beef cows (unless specified “grass fed”) are fed a soy-based diet, which impacts the health of the humans who eat them. All of them. You cannot find any meat product (besides grass-fed beef or lamb) in the grocery store that has not been contaminated with soy.

I personally avoid soy and will not even feed my animals soy. Here are some of the reasons I avoid soy:

 

I'm sorry, I'm not up on my Soy info... This seems to be talking about highly processed soy in junk food, meat, and all that. Do these health detriments apply to tofu, edamame, and less processed soy? (Assuming no pre-existing soy allergy)
 

Further argument for a whole food diet...


If "Whole foods are foods that are unprocessed and unrefined, or processed and refined as little as possible, before being consumed."
doesn't 
soy still fit in a whole foods diet?



#22 Tim the Beek

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 05:36 PM

You can't possibly expect me to remember what the hell I was talking about back in July, can you? :mrgreen:

I think, though, that I was referring to TEO's comment about processed foods...



#23 Jabadoodle

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 05:41 PM

You can't possibly expect me to remember what the hell I was talking about back in July, can you? :mrgreen:

I think, though, that I was referring to TEO's comment about processed foods...

 

If you're talking to me...that was't a quote from you -- but just a definition I found. Sorry, I seem to be slipping on my communication skills of late.

But seriously, I'm not trying to argue, I'm asking a question to learn...from anyone here...

Soy would be a "whole food" if not processed, yes?

And more importantly...soy isn't inherently bad, is it? Just if it's processed?   (Or supporting Monsanto ;) )



#24 Tim the Beek

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 07:20 PM

If you're talking to me...that was't a quote from you -- but just a definition I found. Sorry, I seem to be slipping on my communication skills of late.

But seriously, I'm not trying to argue, I'm asking a question to learn...from anyone here...

Soy would be a "whole food" if not processed, yes?

And more importantly...soy isn't inherently bad, is it? Just if it's processed?   (Or supporting Monsanto ;) )


It would be a whole food, yes.

Not inherently bad, particularly in moderate amounts. Don't reckon it's wise for people with ER positive breast cancer to eat much of it though...



#25 TEO

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 09:03 PM

It is my understanding that not all soy food is detrimental, however at the present I do not recall which are allegedly okie-dokie for consumption.



#26 Jersey Thug

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 09:12 PM

(NaturalNews) With vegetarianism gaining increasing popularity from the 1970's, reaching its peak in the 1990's, soy has emerged as a 'near perfect' food, with supporters claiming it can provide an ideal source of protein, lower cholesterol, protect against cancer and heart disease, reduce menopausal symptoms, and prevent osteoporosis - among many other things. It seems like a good thing - or is it really?
How did such a 'healthy food' emerge from a product that in 1913 was listed in the U.S. Department of
Agriculture (USDA) handbook not as a food but as an industrial product?

According to lipid specialist and nutritionist Mary Enig, PhD, "The reason there's so much soy in America is because the soy industry started to plant soy to extract the oil from it and soy oil became a very large industry." There was a lot of soy oil and with it came a lot of soy protein residue as a left over by-product, and since they couldn't feed it to the animals, except in small amounts, they had to find another big market which, of course, was human consumption.

This excess soy production and its protein residue was the motivation for the multi-million dollars spent on advertising and intense lobbying of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which resulted in about 74 percent of U.S. consumers believing that soy products are healthy. Australia has traditionally prided itself as being a dairy consuming nation, due to the fact that we have such abundant supply of cattle. However, lactose intolerance is becoming a health concern recognised by the medical profession; accordingly, soy is becoming very popular as an alternative to dairy, following in the footsteps of US consumers in believing that all soy-based products have health benefits. In reality, the research that has concluded that all soy products are healthy is far from accurate, and very much skewed by economic motives.

Let's examine why soy products are far from healthy:

For greater clarity, soy products are classified into two main groups: fermented and unfermented. There are also another two sub-groups: organic and Genetically Modified (GM). The GM soy is to be avoided at all costs, as the hazards of GM are some of the worst innovations of modern day bio-technology. Not only are all GM products unhealthy to humans and animals but also to the normal plants that grow in the surrounding area, due to the natural process of winds causing cross-pollination, resulting in mutated species of what were once natural variations of plants. This topic is too vast to cover in this article but for more research, visit (http://www.non-gm-farmers.com) .

The unfermented soy category is a most problematic one. It includes soy products, such as tofu, bean curd, all soy milks, soy infant formulae, soy protein powders and soy meat alternatives, such as soy sausages/veggie burgers, made from hydrolysed soy powder.

So what is wrong with unfermented soy products?

Soy belongs to the family of legumes. Other members of the legume family include beans - such as adzuki, red kidney, navy, barlotti, etc., as well as chickpeas. Peanuts are included as well, as they are technically not a nut but a legume. All legumes and whole-grains - such as, rice, barley, oats, wheat and rye - contain amounts of phytic acid. Being a legume, soy contains a high amount of phytic acid. So, what's wrong with phytic acid? A number of things - yet, in some cases, phytic acid can also be beneficial.

Phytic acid's structure gives it the ability to bind minerals, proteins and starch, and results in lower absorption of these substances. Hence, phytic acid, in large amounts, can block the uptake of essential minerals, like calcium, magnesium, copper, iron, and especially zinc in the intestinal tract. Soy also inhibits the uptake of one of the most important minerals needed for growth and metabolism, iodine, which is used by the thyroid gland in the production of thyroid hormones.
However, for non-vegetarian men, phytic acid may prove to be quite helpful, due to its binding/chelating ability with minerals.

Since a large percentage of non-vegetarian adult males have excess iron, phytic acid would be helpful to them by binding the excess iron. But we need to bear in mind phytic acid will simultaneously bind other minerals, such as calcium, magnesium and zinc. In the case of children and menstruating women, the phytic acid in soy can be a serious negative, as women and children need iron. In women, iron is needed to replace the loss during their menses and in children iron is required for growth and development.

Apart from the phytic acid-related phenomena, there are additional factors that make soy an unhealthy choice.

Soy:

* contributes to thyroid disorder, especially in women

* promotes kidney stones

* weakens the immune system

* contributes to food allergies and digestive intolerance

Perhaps the most disturbing of soy's ill effects on health has to do with its phytoestrogens, which can mimic the effects of the female hormone, oestrogen. These phytoestrogens have been found to have adverse effects on various human tissues, and drinking only two glasses of soy milk daily for one month has enough of the chemical to alter a woman's menstrual cycle.

Soy is particularly problematic for infants and it would be very wise to avoid giving them soy-derived products, since it has been estimated that infants who are exclusively fed soy formula receive the equivalent of five birth control pills worth of oestrogen every day. Check out (www.westonaprice.org) to find some alarming research and statistics on what can go wrong when infants and children are regularly fed soy formula.

In order to derive some benefit from soy, consuming only fermented soy products - such as organic miso (mugi barley and genmai miso are the best), organic tempeh, soy sauce or tamari and natto - is the way to do it. This is because the phytic acid, which is inherent in soy beans, has been neutralized in the process of fermentation. Consuming fermented soy is very beneficial in recolonizing the friendly bacteria in the large intestine, which neutralizes the 'unfriendly' bacteria and allows for greater general assimilation of foods and nutrients.

So, fermented soy is of benefit and unfermented soy is not. It is not only soy that needs to be fermented but whole-grains as well. In fact, grains (apart from millet, buckwheat and couscous) and legumes are best consumed after soaking them for 48-72 hours prior to cooking, which allows fermentation to take place. The soaking of grains and beans is also advocated in the principles of macrobiotics, which is very popular amongst vegetarians. Yet many vegetarian restaurants do not have time or forget to incorporate this very important process in their vegetarian cooking and thus people who regularly eat out at vegetarian restaurants might develop severe mineral deficiencies due to the large consumption of phytic acid in their diet.

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#27 namaste

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 09:13 PM

Back then? People still honk about it. Tofu this, and tofu that. A lot of them are a bit snotty about it - kinda makes me want throw that nasty shit at them, ignorant bastards! Yuk!

 

 

I'm with you 100%  (love that judgmental bit and not even on the judgmental thread !    :thankyou: )



#28 Jersey Thug

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 09:24 PM



Soy would be a "whole food" if not processed, yes?

And more importantly...soy isn't inherently bad, is it? Just if it's processed?   (Or supporting Monsanto ;) )

 

i think the point Tim was making about whole foods is that by eating a whole food diet, one can take control of their intake of anything that might be of concern to them.  soy, especially GMO or unfermented soy, is just one thing one may decide to cut out entirely, or monitor intake of more carefully, when choosing a whole foods diet.  

 

the article i posted examines fermented vs. unfermented soy and GMO vs. organic.  



#29 Jabadoodle

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 10:03 PM

A lot of them are a bit snotty about it - kinda makes me want throw that nasty shit at them, ignorant bastards! Yuk!


Pot meet Kettle.

 



#30 hippieskichick

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 10:07 PM


Pot meet Kettle.

 

 

 

Yeah yeah, I know. I said kinda. :P

 

There are a few things out there that push my buttons, and if I can generalize, I'd say that 'intentional blinders' is at the top. 



#31 Jabadoodle

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 10:11 PM

Yeah yeah, I know. I said kinda. :P

 

There are a few things out there that push my buttons, and if I can generalize, I'd say that 'intentional blinders' is at the top. 

 

Glad you   :P 'ed at that. 


What's intentional blinders? Like knowing I'm wrong & not admitting it. Getting your argument / what you mean but pretending I don't 'cause I don't want to admit it? That kind of thing?



#32 hippieskichick

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 10:43 PM

People who just know they are right, even though all they know is their own side. They know there are other sides to the story, but they don't care, because they know theirs is the right side, and to them, there's no sense in learning another point of view. And they'll turn blue in the face arguing you. 

 

Can be applied to so many different things, from something simpler like food, to religion. 



#33 Jabadoodle

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 10:59 PM

People who just know they are right, even though all they know is their own side. They know there are other sides to the story, but they don't care, because they know theirs is the right side, and to them, there's no sense in learning another point of view. And they'll turn blue in the face arguing you. 

 

Can be applied to so many different things, from something simpler like food, to religion. 


I feel the same. The particular manifestations of that the bother me most are people that join a discussion but...
* Don't play fair
* Don't listen

* Insult instead of discuss

* Imply but don't own (their aguments/point)

* etc.



#34 TEO

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 01:15 PM

Detox Diet at Kripalu

 

http://kripaluhealth...x-Diet-2012.pdf



#35 china cat

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 01:40 PM

Tim and I are headed to Kripalu tomorrow

 

and thanks, everyone, for the info in this thread.



#36 TEO

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 01:59 PM

Hope you both have an amazing time.  :heart:  :heart:



#37 Tim the Beek

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 02:29 PM

Hope you both have an amazing time.   :heart:   :heart:


:)

We could only afford one spot, so I'm sleeping in the trunk, and am told if I behave I might get some organic, gmo-free breadcrusts once a day. But I think it'll be fun. :funny1:



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 04:40 PM


:)

We could only afford one spot, so I'm sleeping in the trunk, and am told if I behave I might get some organic, gmo-free breadcrusts once a day. But I think it'll be fun. :funny1:

 

get back to packing my bag, worm :joker:



#39 JBetty

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 05:02 PM

Might want to start exploring your options, TtB.

 

 

 

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