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#1 Tim the Beek

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 01:37 PM

(or anyone else's for that matter)

 

USSC upheld in Salinas v Texas yesterday that if you're answering police questions, and choose not to answer some, that your silence on those you don't answer can be used in court to help prove your guilt, unless you affirmatively invoke your 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination.

Sounds from what I've read like there are precedents for this, but I find the decision pretty upsetting. Not surprising, but upsetting.

Oh, and this is the same Supreme Court which this week issued a new ban on protesting on its grounds.

Anyway, curious what Cur and others think.



#2 unbroken_chain

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 01:38 PM

:mind blown:



#3 Java Time

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 01:46 PM

Always have a lawyer with you when answering police questions...don't buy into the "having a lawyer makes you look guilty" BS?

#4 hippieskichick

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 01:50 PM

I'm not sure how I feel about it.

 

On one hand, I see why they did it - a person's response (or non-response, in some cases) may be a sign of guilt or admission. And in some tough cases, with little evidence, it's character analyzation that may be what is relied on, vs a lot of evidence.

 

On the other hand, the simple fact that a large portion of people in this country (sad, but true) don't know their own justice system, and couldn't tell you what any amendment was if you held a gun to their head. Yet the constitution & bill of rights were created to protect ALL citizens, ESPECIALLY those who can't/don't know how to protect themselves. So in that case, it's obnoxiously unfair, and unjust.



#5 hippieskichick

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 01:51 PM

I guess overall my own personal verdict would say - fucked up and bullshit.



#6 MeOmYo

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 01:53 PM

It's getting so hard to be a criminal.



#7 Tim the Beek

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 01:56 PM

Yet the constitution & bill of rights were created to protect ALL citizens, ESPECIALLY those who can't/don't know how to protect themselves. So in that case, it's obnoxiously unfair, and unjust.

 

Spot on, IMO.

 

It's getting so hard to be a criminal.


:lol:

And easier and easier to be the government....



#8 u.s.blues

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 02:09 PM

It's getting so hard to be a criminal.

 

almost as hard as being an innocent, accused criminal 



#9 PieDoh

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 02:34 PM

did China finally start asking tough questions?

C."where have you been?"
T. "I refuse to answer on the grounds that it may incriminate me"
C. "BEDROOM! NOW!!"

#10 Tim the Beek

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 02:39 PM

:lol:



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Posted 18 June 2013 - 02:39 PM

did China finally start asking tough questions?

C."where have you been?"
T. "I refuse to answer on the grounds that it may incriminate me"
C. "BEDROOM! NOW!!"

Like CC ever lets the beek outta the bedroom  :rolleyes:



#12 Depends

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 02:42 PM

distantly related....

http://www.dailykos....ot-Be-Tolerated



#13 Tim the Beek

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 02:47 PM

Like CC ever lets the beek outta the bedroom   :rolleyes:


Well, sometimes if her drink gets low or the toilets need cleaning...



#14 Tim the Beek

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 02:48 PM

distantly related....

http://www.dailykos....ot-Be-Tolerated


Yup, saw this yesterday, and it bothers me.



#15 JBetty

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 02:53 PM

distantly related....
http://www.dailykos....ot-Be-Tolerated
 

lolWisconsin :picardfp:


(Twittering eyewitness is my sister :smile: )

#16 Joker

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 03:04 PM


Well, sometimes if her drink gets low or the toilets need cleaning...

Well at least you are able to take care of both at the same time   :eek1:



#17 Depends

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 03:06 PM

 

lolWisconsin :picardfp:


(Twittering eyewitness is my sister :smile: )

Rebecca?



#18 JBetty

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 03:06 PM

yes

#19 Depends

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 03:07 PM


Well, sometimes if her drink gets low or the toilets need cleaning...

The chain is long enough?  :lol:



#20 Tim the Beek

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 03:20 PM

(Twittering eyewitness is my sister :smile: )


Right on sis!
 

 

Women with tape over their mouths...told to take it off.
 


Subject as it is to interpretation, this is kind hawt. :devil:
 



#21 jnjn

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 03:21 PM

distantly related....

http://www.dailykos....ot-Be-Tolerated

 

"Women sitting silently with duct tape on their mouths were given the ultimatum: take off your tape, or face arrest. They took off their tape, and sat silently with their hands over their mouths. No talking allowed. No clapping allowed. No noise allowed. No silence allowed."

 

this makes me ill



#22 Tim the Beek

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 03:22 PM

Well at least you are able to take care of both at the same time   :eek1:

 

:clap:
 

The chain is long enough?   :lol:


:lmao:



#23 Tim the Beek

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 03:23 PM

"Women sitting silently with duct tape on their mouths were given the ultimatum: take off your tape, or face arrest. They took off their tape, and sat silently with their hands over their mouths. No talking allowed. No clapping allowed. No noise allowed. No silence allowed."

 

this makes me ill


As well it should. I really don't understand how there isn't more outrage about this sorta thing.



#24 JBetty

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 03:36 PM

As well it should. I really don't understand how there isn't more outrage about this sorta thing.
 

There's plenty of outrage out there, but Walker's government keeps making new laws designed to shut down the outraged citizens.
Part of the problem is the crazily drawn voting districts that are neither fair nor equatable.

#25 Depends

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 03:39 PM

 

There's plenty of outrage out there, but Walker's government keeps making new laws designed to shut down the outraged citizens.
Part of the problem is the crazily drawn voting districts that are neither fair nor equatable.

and JBecca is on the case.



#26 JBetty

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 03:41 PM

She's a wild woman.
Writer and activist by day, cabbie by night.

#27 Tim the Beek

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 03:45 PM

 

There's plenty of outrage out there, but Walker's government keeps making new laws designed to shut down the outraged citizens.
Part of the problem is the crazily drawn voting districts that are neither fair nor equatable.


Good to hear, though I'm talking on a larger than Wisconsin level...



#28 Deadshow Dan

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 03:46 PM

the conservative-libertarian activist supreme court majority is majorly messed up



#29 Tim the Beek

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 03:48 PM

the conservative-libertarian activist supreme court majority is majorly messed up


Anyone who voted for the majority in this case ain't a libertarian, IMO, but go ahead ahead and continue lump us in with "conservatives" if it makes you feel good somehow.



#30 Tim the Beek

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 03:49 PM

And since this has now gone from a discussion of a court case to a political discussion, we're off to P&R, I reckon.



#31 hippieskichick

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 03:53 PM

the conservative-libertarian activist supreme court majority is majorly messed up

 

 

Please don't insult Libertarians by clumping us with the monkeyfuckers in DC right now....

 

If any branch of the govt were majority Libertarians, we might actually be getting somewhere.



#32 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 03:56 PM

the conservative-libertarian activist supreme court majority is majorly messed up

 

Dan loves this line. He uses it often while competely misunderstanding libertarianism. Because Thomas once said he held some libertarian positions, this is to Dan, an indication that he is in fact, a libertarian.

 

It's a stretch that every master yoga trainer the world over would find impressive.



#33 MeOmYo

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 03:57 PM

I like cheese though



#34 Tim the Beek

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 04:00 PM

I like cheese though


Cheese is nice.



#35 JBetty

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 04:01 PM


Good to hear, though I'm talking on a larger than Wisconsin level...


People don't give a hoot if it's not going on in their own backyard.



And I like cheese, too.
I also like Cheese.

#36 china cat

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 04:09 PM

Anyone who voted for the majority in this case ain't a libertarian, IMO, but go ahead ahead and continue lump us in with "conservatives" if it makes you feel good somehow.

 

 

Please don't insult Libertarians by clumping us with the monkeyfuckers in DC right now....

 

If any branch of the govt were majority Libertarians, we might actually be getting somewhere.

 

I see you're working your "like-minded strategy" now. Your tricks are endless, your harlotry has no bounds!! :joker:



#37 Java Time

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 04:20 PM

It boggles my mind how men have a say in any matter pertaining to birth or termination of birth...unless they are a Dr. and it's a health issue... Wisconsin: the coat hanger in a dark alley state

#38 jnjn

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 04:21 PM

I see you're working your "like-minded strategy" now. Your tricks are endless, your harlotry has no bounds!! :joker:

 

ohhhhhh SNAP! :lol:



#39 hippieskichick

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 04:30 PM

I see you're working your "like-minded strategy" now. Your tricks are endless, your harlotry has no bounds!! :joker:

 

 

 

:rotf: 

 

*sneakily baking GMO-laden, Red #40 soaked arsenic pies, dripping with HFCS to sneak in China's snack bag*

 

 

mwa ha ha ha!!!



#40 Tim the Beek

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 04:30 PM

It boggles my mind how men have a say in any matter pertaining to birth or termination of birth...unless they are a Dr. and it's a health issue... Wisconsin: the coat hanger in a dark alley state


And even if someone disagrees with that, how they can find "the people's" representatives so willing to stifle their voices acceptible...



#41 Tim the Beek

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 04:31 PM

:rotf:

 

*sneakily baking GMO-laden, Red #40 soaked arsenic pies, dripping with HFCS to sneak in China's snack bag*

 

 

mwa ha ha ha!!!


ROFL!!!



#42 JBetty

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 04:32 PM

:rotf: 
 
*sneakily baking GMO-laden, Red #40 soaked arsenic pies, dripping with HFCS to sneak in China's snack bag*
 
 
mwa ha ha ha!!!



Jingo'd!

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 04:36 PM

I see you're working your "like-minded strategy" now. Your tricks are endless, your harlotry has no bounds!! :joker:

Be smart CC, just sic Wit on her....  



#44 hippieskichick

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 04:40 PM

Be smart CC, just sic Wit on her....  

 

 

Ah, but (even though I haven't met her yet) I think that Wit might be my twin sister...

 

 

Of course, that could go either way....

 

 

*scratching chin



#45 Java Time

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 05:12 PM

And even if someone disagrees with that, how they can find "the people's" representatives so willing to stifle their voices...


TASB's foreshadowing of a police state coming to fruition? :undecided:


at least Jingo's kept this in family thanks Jingo's! :thumbsup:

#46 Tim the Beek

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 05:16 PM

TASB's foreshadowing of a police state coming to fruition? :undecided: at least Jingo's kept this in family thanks Jingo's! :thumbsup:

 

:mrgreen:



#47 TheDHJ

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 05:32 PM

They made you change the thread title? :lol:

#48 Depends

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 05:34 PM

Ah, but (even though I haven't met her yet) I think that Wit might be my twin sister...

 

 

Of course, that could go either way....

 

 

*scratching chin

You're on the right track...



#49 Julius

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 05:39 PM

I'm unphased. You have the right to remain silent. If you do otherwise you're a fool. Make them present evidence against you and let your lawyer do the talking.



#50 Java Time

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 06:12 PM

They made you change the thread title? :lol:


Prolly to keep the free legal advice PM's/threads to a minimum...prolly :funny1:


Ida changed it too