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#1 Joker

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 07:37 PM

Not that anyone cares anymore 

 

Benghazi memo edits show State, White House involvement

 

A top State Department official pressed the CIA and the White House to delete any mention of terrorism in public statements on the Benghazi terror attack to prevent critics from blaming lax security at the consulate, according to documents obtained by ABC News.

 

The information "goes right to the heart of what the White House continues to deny," Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, told USA TODAY. "For eight months they denied there's any manipulation, but this continues to shed light on something that was never true."

 

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said in a statement to USA TODAY on Friday that the changes were made to prevent members of Congress from "providing more guidance to the public than the administration."

 

Victoria Nuland, spokeswoman for the State Department, said she was expressing the concerns of her "leadership" when she emailed that a CIA memo on Benghazi should remove references to the attacks links to al-Qaeda and CIA warnings about terrorist threats in Benghazi in the months preceding the attack.

 

According to ABC News, Nuland objected in an email to White House and intelligence officials that the CIA description "could be abused by members (of Congress) to beat up on the State Department for not paying attention to warnings."

 

 

More here

http://www.usatoday....emails/2150103/



#2 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 10:11 PM

"Republicans slashed the defense budget!"

 

"The faux outrage!"



#3 Tabbooma

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 02:19 PM

Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi... Hmmmmm... Said it three times and the gay, socialist, muslum, 2nd amendment destroying, purchaser of all ammo in the country President Obama was not impeached..... Oh wait, try it again so it will be used against Hillary..... Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi.... nope that did not work either.



#4 Joker

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 03:52 PM

"Republicans slashed the defense budget!"

 

"The faux outrage!"

 

 

Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi... Hmmmmm... Said it three times and the gay, socialist, muslum, 2nd amendment destroying, purchaser of all ammo in the country President Obama was not impeached..... Oh wait, try it again so it will be used against Hillary..... Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi.... nope that did not work either.

 

 

Exactly what I'm talking about. It seems nobody cares about what happened and how it went down. It's turned into people automatically defending their side while blaming the other side.

 

Meanwhile those of us who would like to know the details about how it was handled and why it was handled that way, basically the truth about what went down, are relegated to the sidelines trying to duck from the feces being thrown around.

 

And the beat goes on, yeah the beat goes on   :wallbash:



#5 JBetty

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 03:23 PM

Here's another point of view:

 

 

 

GOP’s Big Benghazi ‘Bombshell’ Turns Out To Be Another Big Dud

 

Didn’t they say this was going to destroy Obama?

Tuesday began as a good day for Senator Lindsey Graham. He was excited about hearings on Benghazi, hoping that three “whistleblowers” would come up with the information he and his GOP buddies need tohang Obama out to dry make a bigger mountain out of bullshit. That morning he tweeted:

“I think the dam is about to break on #Benghazi. We’re going to find system failure before, during and after the attack.”

Yeah, how did that go for ya, Lindsey? Not so good, huh? Because there was no dam, no breaking and nothing that indicated any kind of cover-up. Nope, nothing to see here, move along. Wednesday’s hearing didn’t reveal anything that a review board and five previous hearings didn’t already tell us. Mark Thompson, Greg Hicks and Eric Nordstrom produced no bombshell and no new fuel for the right-wing’s witch hunt.

 

Chairman of the Committee, Rep. Darrell Issa, set the tone at the start when he accused the administration of not cooperating and saying that “our minority” has been mostly silent. Apparently this is some strange new meaning of the word, “silent” that we’ve previously been unaware of. Rep. Elijah Cummings hit right back, though:

“There is no member of Congress, be they Republican or Democrat, who fails to uphold the right of whistleblowers to come forward. I think it’s sad when that accusation is made against any member of this Congress. The fact is that our top military commanders have already testified they did everything in their power to deploy assets as soon as possible.” Cummings said that all testimony and documents so far confirm “… that they could not get there in time. I have seen nothing  to make me question the proof on this.” (source)

Not that the GOP members of the Committee didn’t give it their best. Rep. Jason Chaffetz of Utah was certain that the witnesses would detail how the country was misled by the Obama administration both before and after the attack on the American embassy in Libya. But in 6 hours of questions and answers, there was no such information. Now poor Jason has a sad, frowny face.

There was an effort to smear former Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, by using an out-of-context quote from her testimony in January. Remember when, after being browbeaten by the partisan hacks on the Committee, she asked “What difference does it make?” going on to state that their job was to figure out what happened and to make sure it never happened again? Well, Rep. Trey Gowdy (S.C.) decided to just use that first sentence and do a bit of grandstanding. Tsk tsk, Mr. Gowdy… Hillary said in January that she accepted responsibility and would make every correction that the review board suggested. But that doesn’t fit into his emoting and pandering.

On top of the lack of bombshells at the hearing, the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Legislative Affairs, Elizabeth King, sent a letter to Congressman Elijah Cummings yesterday. In it, she explained why the Commander In-Extremis Force couldn’t have reached Benghazi in time to prevent a second attack:

“… because exact conditions on the ground in Benghazi were unknown……the CIF began to fulfill its tasking by pre-positioning at an intermediate staging location, Naval Air Station Sigonella (in Sicily, Italy). From the moment the CIF was ordered to move, it did not stand down until after all personnel (including the fallen) had been evacuated from Benghazi in a little over 12 hours after the initiation of the attack… the time needed from alerting the CIF to landing at the Benghazi airport is greater than the approximately 7.5 hours between the initiation of the first attack and the second one. As such, the time requirements for notification, load and transit alone prevented the CIF from being at the annex in enough time to change events.”

So much for that criticism. Fox News has a copy of the letter but somehow I doubt if they will be saying much about it since it doesn’t help their make-believe narrative.

There are a few things that really have me both angry and annoyed with this whole Benghazi bullshit: 1) where is the outrage at the House Republicans who voted to CUT security for the embassy? They cut $300 million from the U.S. embassy security budget just before the attack. Why aren’t they being raked over the coals for that? 2) Where was the right-wing when, under G.W. Bush, seven embassies were attacked and many more than 4 people were killed? How come they never shrieked about that? 3) What about Reagan? Three embassy attacks, including Beirut where 17 Americans were killed. No? That was okay?

This Benghazi thing is making the right insane. Literally. You know the saying about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result? That’s where the GOP is right now. They are so invested in this fantasy that they have lost any ability to see reality. And Fox News feeds the fire, complaining that no other news outlets are covering this. Could it be because it’s utter and complete bullshit? Of course not, not to these modern-day inquisitors. They hate our president that much. It’s sickening.



#6 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 03:56 PM

Obfuscate to passed presidential embassy issues!

 

I don't understand what is so hard to understand about the problem here. The problem isn't a failure in security. Although that should be addressed, adn earlier testimony has already laid ruin to the excuse regardig security funding. it's a total non-issue being brought up for finger pointing.

 

The problem here is the LYING. The deliberate lying about the cause of the attack. Whether or not there was fore knowledge about an attack and why the false narrative persisted (the video that never was).

 

it's not about whether the administration failed to secure the embassy thoroughly. That was already dealt with in the Dec 2012 hearings regarding man power, funding, etc.....



#7 Joker

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:39 PM

There's really no longer any arguing the fact we were once again lied to by the Obama admin. and now the left has to try and paint it as the right trying to score political points by attacking Hillary (no doubt that is partly correct)

 

Deflecting and denying seems to be all that remains when it comes to defending the wrongs we're being subjected to by this administration.



#8 JBetty

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:44 PM

Deflecting and denying seems to be all that remains when it comes to defending the wrongs we're being subjected to by this administration.

 

 

 

Why do you always seem so surprised this administration is any different than any other administration in that respect?

With the possible exception of Jimmy Carter, it's been that way for as long as I can remember.

And probably for as long as you can remember, too.  If you can remember that far back.



#9 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 05:10 PM

Why do you always seem so surprised this administration is any different than any other administration in that respect?

With the possible exception of Jimmy Carter, it's been that way for as long as I can remember.

And probably for as long as you can remember, too.  If you can remember that far back.

 

Maybe, just maybe, the surprise is in the fact that those who support Obama, much like those who supported Bush, refuse to acknowledge the wrong doings of the administration. In this case, it seems reasonable to say that people will obfuscate away from the point of discussing this issue and turn into another game of shit throwing. See post #5.



#10 JBetty

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 05:36 PM

Maybe, just maybe, the surprise is in the fact that those who support Obama, much like those who supported Bush, refuse to acknowledge the wrong doings of the administration. In this case, it seems reasonable to say that people will obfuscate away from the point of discussing this issue and turn into another game of shit throwing. See post #5.

 

 

 

I don't see that at all.

I do see many friends and family who voted for Obama extremely disappointed that he did not following through on campaign promises, especially his promise of a new era of open government.

I just don't get why it's such a big surprise, since that's the piss-poor way American politics work.



#11 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 05:44 PM

And yet they sit by silently (not nec. YOUR friends adn family, but the overall base does).

 

This is the kind of cognition failure that has plagued our politics. This team sport, root for your team no matter what bullshit.

This type of lying and cover-up should have both supporters and opponents united. And yet, it's the Bush years all over again.

 

 

Mty point is that there is no moral/ethical/principle that separates party voters. They are the same. They will stand by their team. They will obfuscate away from addressing an issue that belongs to their own team, and turn it into a finger point past or present, of the other side.

 

THAT is the problem with our government. People refuse to leave the team plantations. Hit pieces like post #5 is built to keep the base on the plantation by providing a shovel and a bucket of shit to throw at the opposition.



#12 china cat

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 06:48 PM

Maybe, just maybe, the surprise is in the fact that those who support Obama, much like those who supported Bush, refuse to acknowledge the wrong doings of the administration.

 

yep, this. I have yet to see a negative post (especially on fb) about Obama by those who voted for him.

 

Patriot act resigned, wire taps, drones, kill lists, NDAA, fracking, big ag, monsanto, wall street friends appointed to positions, dept of justice who did nothing about wall street crime, new trade deals that give more political power to corporations, Obama continues to support federal laws that supersede state laws legalizing weed...

 

 

Many of us are doing the same thing we abhor about our political process- blatant partisanship. We're frustrated by the very thing we, ourselves, engage in. Kinda easy to see why it happens in Washington when we witness it right here.



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 06:55 PM

and here, I'll say something positive about Obama, because I rarely have nice words for him

 

I am really happy that my daughter gets two more years on my health insurance because of health care reform supported by Obama.

 

And, I'm really glad that Obama's appointee Sotomayor voted against Citizen's United

 

:)



#14 JBetty

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 06:56 PM

yep, this. I have yet to see a negative post (especially on fb) about Obama by those who voted for him.

 

 

I voted for him and I don't like the way he's become much of what he campaigned against.

I also hear the same from friends and family.

There are a lot of disillusioned people out there feeling like we were sold a bag of crap, whether you see it on fb or not.



#15 Joker

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 06:58 PM

Yup, when Bush was in office there were lots of people all over anything that was remotely questionable. Now this place is a ghost town and people like DD, who were constantly calling out the Republicans, don't seem to have a problem with what's going down under Obama.



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 07:05 PM

I voted for him and I don't like the way he's become much of what he campaigned against.

I also hear the same from friends and family.

There are a lot of disillusioned people out there feeling like we were sold a bag of crap, whether you see it on fb or not.

 

That's kinda what they do.. sell crap. Glad your friends are acknowledging some of his problems

 

I, personally, am just not seeing it. It's still a lot of Republican bashing on fb with no accountability directed at Obama from those who voted for him.

 

Yup, when Bush was in office there were lots of people all over anything that was remotely questionable. Now this place is a ghost town and people like DD, who were constantly calling out the Republicans, don't seem to have a problem with what's going down under Obama.

 

yep.

 

 

have a good day boardies  :)



#17 JBetty

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 07:09 PM

I, personally, am not just not seeing it. It's still a lot of Republican bashing on fb with no accountability directed at Obama from those who voted for him.

 

 

 

Perhaps that is more an indication of the types of people who like to broadcast their lives on fb than anything else.   :dunno:



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 07:12 PM

Yup, when Bush was in office there were lots of people all over anything that was remotely questionable. Now this place is a ghost town and people like DD, who were constantly calling out the Republicans, don't seem to have a problem with what's going down under Obama.

 

 

I wasn't around before Obama, so I have no idea but I am curious, Joker.

Are you an equal opportunity basher?

Were you on the Beat Up Bush bandwagon when he was in office?



#19 Joker

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 07:46 PM

I supported his going into Iraq until we found out it was done using false info and I was all over him and the other neocons who were running the show back then. I didn't post nearly as many critical threads but that was because of the massive volume DD would post. I believe the volume of those types of threads played a significant role in political posts being moved to this forum.



#20 JBetty

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 07:55 PM

Now if they'd just move all the food talk over to the food forum.   :rolling:



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:04 PM

Well I don't want to start any trouble but.......I would call the league office, tell them you're a recovering fatty, a member of weight watchers and you're offended by all those food threads.   >:



#22 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:09 PM

I voted for him and I don't like the way he's become much of what he campaigned against.

I also hear the same from friends and family.

There are a lot of disillusioned people out there feeling like we were sold a bag of crap, whether you see it on fb or not.

 

Well, What i will say is that I posted about this on FB and some friends, who shall remain nameless, actually set out to defend the administrations actions in this affair. That is typically what i see when any wrongdoing is brought forward regarding this administration. I realize that the party lines are highly polarized, but at some point people are going to have to hold feet to the fire, ON BOTH SIDES OVER THE SAME ACCOUNTABILITY ISSUES, in order o get the unity needed to remove these parasites from office and keep a watchful eye out.

 

otherwise, we will end in ruin here in this country. It's not a question of if, only a question of when.



#23 JBetty

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:09 PM

:lol:   lolJoker

 

 

Or you could just spam the board with food threads.

Worked for the political threads.     :wink:



#24 JBetty

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:18 PM

Well, What i will say is that I posted about this on FB and some friends, who shall remain nameless, actually set out to defend the administrations actions in this affair. That is typically what i see when any wrongdoing is brought forward regarding this administration. I realize that the party lines are highly polarized, but at some point people are going to have to hold feet to the fire, ON BOTH SIDES OVER THE SAME ACCOUNTABILITY ISSUES, in order o get the unity needed to remove these parasites from office and keep a watchful eye out.

 

otherwise, we will end in ruin here in this country. It's not a question of if, only a question of when.

 

 

I happen to agree with much of what you say, but like I said before, maybe it's more a case of the type of people who frequent fb.  

Of course I have no way of proving that one way or another, but I do know that the politically active people I am referring to who were so ecstatic when Obama was elected have deep concerns about how he has handled his presidency and have no problem voicing their disgust over it.