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All the documented drone strikes in Pakistan since 2004.


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#1 TEO

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 03:06 AM

Bill Moyers In this mesmerizing interactive, Pitch Interactive documents all the documented drone strikes in Pakistan since 2004.

 

http://drones.pitchinteractive.com/



#2 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:24 AM

Thanks for sharing this. So, i guess "other" is to lead us to believe that they are militants, or not human? How are such people classified as such and who does that?

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#3 Joker

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:31 AM

 
 
 
Out of Sight, Out of Mind
 
Description
 
Since 2004, the US has been practicing in a new kind of clandestine military operation. The justification for using drones to take out enemy targets is appealing because it removes the risk of losing American military, it's much cheaper than deploying soldiers, it's politically much easier to maneuver (i.e. flying a drone within Pakistan vs. sending troops) and it keeps the world in the dark about what is actually happening. It takes the conflict out of sight, out of mind. The success rate is extremely low and the cost on civilian lives and the general well-being of the population is very high. This project helps to bring light on the topic of drones. Not to speak for or against, but to inform and to allow you to see for yourself whether you can support drone usage or not.
 
Attacks and Victims View
 
The first view you see illustrates the attacks by the drones. We also wanted to give an emphasis on the victims. By clicking on the Victims link you can see an expanded view of the actual victims with the total number of attacks and casualties for each month.
Important Notes
 
The category of victims we call “OTHER” is classified differently depending on the source. The Obama administration classifies any able-bodied male a military combatant unless evidence is brought forward to prove otherwise. This is a very grey area for us. These could be neighbors of a target killed. They may all be militants and a threat. What we do know for sure is that they are targeted without being given any representation or voice to defend themselves.
 
About the Data
 
The primary data used in this visualization comes from a dataset maintained by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism (BIJ) . The BIJ is a not-for-profit organization with the aim of educating the public and the media on both the realities of today's world and the value of honest reporting. While there were other data sources that had listings of drone stikes, the BIJ seemed to have the most unbiased collection of information. 
 
Because the US Government does not disclose strike information, the data must be manually collected on the ground by reporters. The challenge is that stories and estimates vary between sources. In cases where there are inconsistencies, a minimum and a maximum number of possible casualties are recorded. We take the average whole number between these estimates for each attack. In a few instances there were casualties confirmed, but the estimated number of casualties was not obtainable. In these cases, we simply omitted the casualties. The list of high-profile targets (the white squares) comes from the New America Foundation.


#4 Tabbooma

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:52 AM

Not buying the accuracy of that video one bit, as for strikes in Pakistan, when our troops come home and are not subject to cross border attacks the drone strikes should and will continue.



#5 Julius

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:54 AM

My takeaway: First time in my living memory that Joker posts something that isn't too long and boring to read. 



#6 Julius

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:56 AM

Hey, I call it like I see it and I'm not sorry.  :grin:



#7 Joker

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:17 PM

Hey, I call it like I see it and I'm not sorry.  :grin:

 

 

Oh, you're sorry alright, you're just in denial.  :finger:



#8 Joker

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:43 PM

Not buying the accuracy of that video one bit, as for strikes in Pakistan, when our troops come home and are not subject to cross border attacks the drone strikes should and will continue.

Why do you feel the video is inaccurate? The number of strikes? The labeling of the victims?

 

Unfortunately, with the way this administration has chosen to label those they kill, it seems like it's a tough job getting the exact breakdown of civilians and actual terrorists. Their willingness to automatically label those of a certain age that are killed as "enemy combatants" clearly shows they wish to skew the numbers in order to reduce the total of "civilians" killed.



#9 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:48 PM

 

The category of victims we call “OTHER” is classified differently depending on the source. The Obama administration classifies any able-bodied male a military combatant unless evidence is brought forward to prove otherwise. This is a very grey area for us. These could be neighbors of a target killed. They may all be militants and a threat. What we do know for sure is that they are targeted without being given any representation or voice to defend themselves.

 

I see. So these people fall into the grey because this policy is considered essentially "classified popular knowledge". Which allows the administration to not account for the casualties and therefore, it's on journalists to try and figure it out as it occurs. Only the confirmed 175 children means it could be a lot more than that. We just will never know due to lack of accountability.



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:39 PM

I will say this.  4 Months later I am coming around to Joker and TASB side.

 

Drones are a necessary evil, but the Obama admin has/is not being forth right with the truth, hiding behind legalities and barely answering questions even when forced.  Very similar to Bush.

 

But the out of sight, no impact on American day to day life, debatable efficiency, honey boo boo and whatever else falls in the 24 hour news cycle is allowing this global tragedy to continue.