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Is HSBC Really ‘Too Big to Jail’?


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#1 concert andy

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 12:43 PM

http://finance.yahoo...Y3Rpb25z;_ylv=3

 

In December, HSBC (HBC) admitted to money laundering violations covering $200 trillion worth of transactions involving Mexican and Columbian drug cartels, groups allegedly aligned with terrorist organizations, sanctioned nations and others. The Department of Justice (DoJ) explained it could not exact a penalty greater than one month’s profits because doing so would cause systemic repercussions to the financial system. In shorthand, HSBC was “too big to jail.”

 
On March 6, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder affirmed the “too big to jail” policy:
 
"I am concerned that the size of some of these institutions becomes so large that it does become difficult for us to prosecute them when we are hit with indications that if you do prosecute, if you do bring a criminal charge, it will have a negative impact on the national economy, perhaps even the world economy. And I think that is a function of the fact that some of these institutions have become too large."
 
How did the attorney general make this assessment? Did he consult with government banking experts? On March 7, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) asked three high-ranking officials at a U.S. Senate banking committee hearing (see beginning at 1.22 hour) if they would advise DoJ that HSBC could not be penalized further owing to systemic threats.
 
David Cohen, Undersecretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence with the Treasury Department: “We told Justice that we weren’t in a position to offer any meaningful assessment” of taking various courses of action.
 
Jerome Powell, member of the Federal Reserve’s board of governors: “There were conversations, but that question wasn’t asked or answered. The questions were about this or that statute.”
 
Thomas Curry, Comptroller of the Currency: “The only question that Justice asked us was about the charter revocation ... Our position was that this was a criminal justice decision."
 
For context, Sen. Warren followed a theory that Public Citizen advanced in January when we sent letters to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp and the Maryland Attorney General asking them to terminate HSBC’s insurance and forfeit the company’s charter respectively. HSBC’s American operations are incorporated in Maryland.
 
Our goal with these letters, ultimately, is to force our financial policy makers and any others willing to confront reality to use their authority, given to them by the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform law, to break up the banks. The financial crash of 2008 demonstrated the enormous taxpayer expense when banks become gambling operations with an understanding that their winnings will be privatized, and losses socialized. The HSBC case sharpens the problem that banks of a certain size can actually engage in criminal activity with essential immunity.
 
Many sensible regulators and members of Congress now recognize that the large banks and may say they must be broken up. The number is large, growing and bi-partisan.
 
And now this list includes the nation’s leading law enforcer: Attorney General Holder: “Some of these institutions have become too large."
 
Apparently, the attorney general did not need any regulator to tell him that some banks have become too large. It’s obvious.


#2 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 01:10 PM

That's really nice lip service.



#3 concert andy

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 01:22 PM

I thought the to big to fail was over, now it is to big to pay a fine, or jail.

 

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#4 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 01:22 PM

Soon it will be "too big to care".



#5 Tim the Beek

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 01:36 PM

There's plenty I disagree with Senator Warren about, but I think she's honest and principled, and I love the video of her grilling the regulators about this. :)



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Posted 12 March 2013 - 02:43 PM

Cmon Pookie, lets burn this muthafucka down!



#7 TEO

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 03:51 PM

Change is going to be painful.  So many would rather go with the know suffering than risk the unknown.



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Posted 15 March 2013 - 04:47 PM

Fucking great. 

 

So my vacationing buddy gets pinched with under an OZ and all his cash and his $80,000 RV are seized.  Even though charges were dropped, he still can't get his money and property back.  And this fucking scumbag bank launders over $200 TRILLION and they just walk away with no penalty.

 

There are no words foul enough to verbalize how I feel about this.