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#1 china cat

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:53 PM

I really like to learn about ideas, opinions, news stories from posts here but the tone makes it difficult. And, I think keeps others (who would like to contribute) far away from this forum.  It's starting to feel like a microcosm of what's wrong with the rest of the world.  I realize it's a place to debate ideas but seems it has become a forum for personal attacks and I'm starting to feel like a need a shower after reading some of these threads. Opinions seems to matter more than the people with whom we are sharing them. The sarcasm, nit picking, personal jabs, condescension among family is unpalatable as of late, and, well... it's making me kinda sad.  I really don't want to be here anymore. Maybe I'm being sensitive; is it just me, or do people leave here with a bad taste in their mouth?


 

 

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#2 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:58 PM

Sorry.



#3 Depends

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:04 PM

Sorry.

What kinda idiot statement is that?  

 

 

 

jk.

 

:rolling:



#4 TEO

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:10 PM

Following is a list of observations related to this topic:

 

1. Microcosm of larger yes.

 

2.  Over sensitivity due to taking things personally based on various styles of communication.

 

3. Condensation and/or defensive posture make a difficult base from which to transmit/receive effective communication.

 

4. Enthusiasm met with trolling.

 

5. Trolling met with trolling.

 

6.  Boredom leading to trolling.

 

7.  Oversensitivity and or moods.



#5 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:12 PM

Following is a list of observations related to this topic:

 

1. Microcosm of larger yes.

 

2.  Over sensitivity due to taking things personally based on various styles of communication.

 

3. Condensation and/or defensive posture make a difficult base from which to transmit/receive effective communication.

 

4. Enthusiasm met with trolling.

 

5. Trolling met with trolling.

 

6.  Boredom leading to trolling.

 

 

That and whenever people feel challenged it always leads to flaming. Highly divided, super charged people these days. I've been beat over the head enough in life over my stances that Im just used to it.



#6 Depends

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:22 PM

I've been beat over the head enough in life over my stances that Im just used to it.

3'11"'d



#7 Jwheelz

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:35 PM

I actually love talking about politics and/or religion, but only if it's actually civil conversation.... as soon as it devolves into flame wars or trolling etc. I'm out faster than you can blink... I mean I've been guilty of getting a bit heated at times in the past, and I certainly understand how that happens for other folks too. But I wholeheartedly believe it's possible to feel completely the opposite way about a subject as someone and still be respectful and not have it get personal. I think if everyone knows when to step away from the conversation and calm down, that goes a long way to keeping things civil. I know Tim and I for example probably diverge in our viewpoints in a number of areas but I respect the hell out of him and I don't think that either one of us would think differently of one another for the viewpoints we have. Tone really does matter, especially online because it's even harder to communicate tone in writing than it is face-to-face.



#8 Tim the Beek

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:38 PM

I'm very much considering keeping my participation in P&R limited to the documentary club myself.

 

When the tone of some of the discussions starts to erode friendship, it isn't prolly worth continuing to have the discussions.



#9 china cat

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:44 PM

Following is a list of observations related to this topic:

 

1. Microcosm of larger yes.

 

2.  Over sensitivity due to taking things personally based on various styles of communication.

 

3. Condensation and/or defensive posture make a difficult base from which to transmit/receive effective communication.

 

4. Enthusiasm met with trolling.

 

5. Trolling met with trolling.

 

6.  Boredom leading to trolling.

 

7.  Oversensitivity and or moods.

 

Condensation_on_water_bottle.jpg

 

:funny1:



#10 china cat

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:45 PM

What kinda idiot statement is that?  

 

 

 

jk.

 

:rolling:

 

:lol:

 

Depends, I love your posts in this forum, always enjoy your opinions :)



#11 china cat

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:48 PM

I'm very much considering keeping my participation in P&R limited to the documentary club myself.

 

When the tone of some of the discussions starts to erode friendship, it isn't prolly worth continuing to have the discussions.

 

yeah, you're really starting to get on my nerves too :D



#12 Tim the Beek

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:52 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol:



#13 TEO

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:53 PM

:lol:

 

 

Feeling a bit dewy?  Must be the decimal system.

 

:nikkiblue:

 

They are coming to take me away, ha ha, ho ho, hee hee!



#14 Spidergawd

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:00 PM

Signed.  I :heart: all yous guys.  Even the ones who are wrong all the time.  :funny1:



#15 china cat

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:03 PM

Seriously, I love you guys. And I know everyone here has a heart of gold, and, politics aside, would do just about anything to help one another out (and often do so), just don't know why we can't remember that when we're in here? Myself included (work in progress thus have no problem being called out on it if/when I'm less than civil).

 

Our opinions aren't "right" nor are others "wrong" yet sometimes many of us act as though we have dibs on truth, without realizing it's our truth based on the information with which we have aligned ourselves, that then informs our world view. Remembering this might reduce some of the the dismissive condensation :funny1: with which we respond to one another.



#16 china cat

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:04 PM

Signed.  I :heart: all yous guys.  Even the ones who are wrong all the time.  :funny1:

 

asshole :lol:



#17 TEO

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:09 PM

I've been wondering; quite a bit again of late; when the whole shit house (structure of civilization as we know it) is going to go up in smoke?  During our lifetime, during the next generation's life time?  200 years, 1,000 years?



#18 JBetty

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:30 PM

 The sarcasm, nit picking, personal jabs, condescension among family is unpalatable as of late, and, well... it's making me kinda sad.   

 

 

yeah, you're really starting to get on my nerves too :D

 

 

asshole :lol:

 

 

 

But it's OK for you to be sarcastic?

Just sayin....   :heart:



#19 Tim the Beek

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:36 PM

But it's OK for you to be sarcastic?

Just sayin....   :heart:

 

She's speaking of using unfriendly sarcasm as a tool in P&R arguments, not ribbing among friends.



#20 TEO

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:37 PM

 Myself included (work in progress thus have no problem being called out on it if/when I'm less than civil).

 

 

:kiss:

 

 

Reminding myself of "I AM."  :heart:



#21 JBetty

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:46 PM

She's speaking of using unfriendly sarcasm as a tool in P&R arguments, not ribbing among friends.

 

 

People aren't always able to tell the difference.

Seen it happen many times.



#22 Depends

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:51 PM

ignorance.jpg



#23 TEO

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:56 PM

I watched most of Billy Budd on TCM last night.



#24 Tim the Beek

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:14 PM

People aren't always able to tell the difference.

Seen it happen many times.

 

You haz opinion. I haz one. Don't gotta be the same. :)



#25 JBetty

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:16 PM

:smile:



#26 MeOmYo

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:20 PM

I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them.



#27 Tim the Beek

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:20 PM

I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them.

 

AWESOME! :D



#28 MeOmYo

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:24 PM

AWESOME! :D

 I forgot to quote it

 

I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them

 

George H. W. Bush

 

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#29 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:25 PM

Opinions are fine, as long as they agree with mine. Opinions are fine, but they are not facts. Opinions are fine, but they are not truth.

 

 

I hate opinions.

 

 

:lol:



#30 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:28 PM

OK, quick question:

 

 

Mossberg 500 Persuader or Remmington 870. Your opinion will count here. As long as you have knowledge of firearms



#31 china cat

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:39 PM

But it's OK for you to be sarcastic?

Just sayin....   :heart:

 

Hi J.

 

I really would have hoped (and believe very strongly) that SG knew that was a joke and Tim certainly knew that was a joke. There is a difference between teasing friends and using sarcasm to belittle them. I guessed, in this case, readers could tell the difference (but when we can't, it certainly doesn't hurt to clarify intentions and perceptions :))



#32 china cat

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:43 PM

She's speaking of using unfriendly sarcasm as a tool in P&R arguments, not ribbing among friends.

 

exactly. thanks. context is everything.



#33 MeOmYo

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:44 PM

OK, quick question:

 

 

Mossberg 500 Persuader or Remmington 870. Your opinion will count here. As long as you have knowledge of firearms

 

 

functionally equal, mossberg is more economical.  I prefer Remington only because they are made a short distance from me n buy local n shet

 

mossberg has a top rear safety whereas the 870 has a rear trigger safety if you have preference for that



#34 JBetty

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:55 PM

There is a difference between teasing friends and using sarcasm to belittle them.

 

 

I understand the difference, but sarcasm can be very hard to discern through the written word and it's a fine line to walk.

What I'm saying is that many people here have gotten all up in a huff about getting belittled when they were just being teased, and that different people's perception of the same words can vary drastically.



#35 TEO

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:57 PM

True fact



#36 Tim the Beek

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:59 PM

OK, quick question:

 

 

Mossberg 500 Persuader or Remmington 870. Your opinion will count here. As long as you have knowledge of firearms

 

Remington.

 

Did you take a turn with the shotgun at my place last summer?

 

It's an 870 Express - has a 4 round tube because it started out with a 26" barrel, and that magazine tube was standard.

 

Couldn't hurt to look at the Winchester Defender if you haven't already. I used to have one, and it did what it was supposed to do, with a slightly smoother action because it has a rotary bolt.



#37 Joker

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:02 PM

Signed.  I :heart: all yous guys.  Even the ones who are wrong all the time.  :funny1:

:werd:  There the werst 



#38 Spidergawd

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:02 PM

asshole :lol:

 

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#39 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:32 PM

That's two for the Rem. It's also what my step father is saying too.



#40 china cat

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:12 AM

I understand the difference, but sarcasm can be very hard to discern through the written word and it's a fine line to walk.

What I'm saying is that many people here have gotten all up in a huff about getting belittled when they were just being teased, and that different people's perception of the same words can vary drastically.

 

I understand your point and I completely agree, I just found the example used to make the point a bit off, as both people (in this case) clearly knew I was joking.



#41 JBetty

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:35 PM

I know they knew you were joking, just as I did.

But not everybody knows who knows whom, which boardies are friends IRL, and what is friendly ribbing vs. unfriendly sarcasm.

So when you say you find the sarcasm off-putting and then turn around and post sarcastic comments, it may seem quite hypocritical to some and may encourage others to do the same without knowing all the details you pointed out.

Which is exactly what you were trying to discourage in the OP.   :smile:



#42 china cat

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:16 PM

"I know they knew you were joking, just as I did."  Yep, that's my point. I'm talking about this community of friends, who know each other and frequent this forum, and the way they interact with each other.

 

And, I think we disagree about what sarcastic means. See sarcasm as I used in it the sentence: "The sarcasm, nit picking, personal jabs, condescension among family"

 

sarcasm:

The use of irony to mock or convey contempt.

A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.
mocking, contemptuous, or ironic language intended to convey scorn or insult

 

sorry, just don't see what I posted with smiley emoticons (which made it clear that there was no ridicule, scorn, or contempt) as falling into this category. We'll agree to disagree, J. I'm gonna bow out of this debate as it is starting to feel like nit-picking. Love ya.



#43 JBetty

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:28 PM

That's fine.  :smile:

Just trying to point out that people's interpretation of what you posted may not be what you intended - that's all.

We are indeed done and all is well.   :heart:



#44 TheDHJ

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:24 PM

It's not just this forum.

#45 TEO

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:26 PM

Happens every year.  Seems to also reflect that which folks bing with them.



#46 Spidergawd

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:33 PM

Happens every year.  Seems to also reflect that which folks bing with them.


Not to me, cuz bing sucks. I'm a Google guy.

:funny1:

#47 TEO

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:57 PM

I may quit words to exclusively type in numbers for the next several months.



#48 JBetty

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:06 PM

Not to me, cuz bing sucks. I'm a Google guy. :funny1:

 

 

 

 

Bing is not amused.

 

 

 

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#49 TEO

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:42 PM

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#50 JBetty

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:48 PM

You rang?