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#51 Wende

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 03:33 PM

It's OK even if you did.  Because it's the end result that matters. :)

People do not like being told what they have always trusted and have done is all twisted and wrong.  IT's normal.  :)

I know I kicked and screamed until I actually had the babies and saw what we were doing to them....it didn't feel right, so I gave in.

 

Once you know things, you can never not know.  :lol:



#52 Depends

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 03:35 PM

Once you know things, you can never not know.  :lol:

I know what you mean.  I think I know, ya know? :)



#53 Wende

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 03:50 PM

I know you know I know that you know.  :lol: 



#54 JBetty

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 03:54 PM

All this knowing.

Is it in the biblical sense?



#55 Depends

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 03:54 PM

All this knowing.

Is it in the biblical sense?

I don't know.  



#56 Wende

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 05:48 PM

We all know that you don't know if knowing is "THe Almighty Knowing"  I know that one thing fo sho!

 

OK, I'm done.  :lol:



#57 Wende

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 10:58 PM

forget it

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#58 Mama Kel

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 11:21 PM

Without getting into this argument fully, understand ASD is waaaaaaayyyyy over diagnosed. Instead of having parameters that define the disorder, just about everyone falls into the ASD category. and the DSM V is about to put ADD/ADHD under the ASD umbrella  :bang:   This is not even close to a true number. There are so many doctors that misdiagnose this. I could walk into multiple offices in this area tomorrow, know what doctors to ask for to get an autism diagnosis for both of my kids. And believe me, there are people doing this to get services for their child that they couldn't otherwise get.

 

So take those numbers with a grain of salt



#59 Wende

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 03:52 AM

ooooo, you saw my post...you're quick.  I erased it pretty damn quickly too.  Stalker~ ;)



#60 Wende

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 03:53 AM

And if what you are saying is true...that's scary in itself.  Services are already being overloaded and misused.  Why would anyone want their child labeled Autistic?  Crazy~



#61 Mama Kel

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 03:03 PM

ooooo, you saw my post...you're quick.  I erased it pretty damn quickly too.  Stalker~ ;)

 

:lmao: yes Mwahahahahahahaha

 

And if what you are saying is true...that's scary in itself.  Services are already being overloaded and misused.  Why would anyone want their child labeled Autistic?  Crazy~

 

It's sad. But what's even sadder is that the families have been driven to that point by the schools. It's so ingrained in standardized test scores that kids with real needs can't get the help without the scores! So your next best option is a medical diagnosis. Then you have the parents who just NEED an answer, so ASD is better than IDK. Then you have the parents who don't question the doctors & the drs give out the diagnosis so irresponsibly.

 

We have a dr in our medical group that tells every parent that walks in the door (whether for an ear ache, a well visit or anything) and they walk out with an autism diagnosis & sometimes MEDS for ADHD - we;re talking 2 year olds!!  :bang:  I encourage the parents to complain & I've complained to my dr b/c she's in our practice but I can't do more due to confidentiality. I'm hoping to get her on a sick visit & rip her a new one!



#62 Wende

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 04:38 PM

Do they really give babies ADHD medicine?  :( :cry:



#63 Depends

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 04:52 PM

From a parents POV:

We always knew something was off with Nick.  When he was 4 or so, we took him to a psychologist.  Nothing wrong he said.  But he kept flapping his arms, motor skill were very under developed.  At 8, we took him to a behavioral therapist.  He said Nick was borderline ADHD, with some Asperger's traits.  He wanted to put him on meds. Nick's own doctor said " Oh ASD is so hard to diagnose, but I don't think he has symptoms."  Still, Nick had trouble reading.  Still couldn't ride a bike. Handwriting is awful.  Still flaps his arms.  Talks incessantly about a subject that he might be interested in.  Finally we take him to Children's Hospital in Boston. A full day of testing.  They diagnose him with Aspergers.  We start getting the help we need.  We take advise from a large source of people.  Diet, sleep issues, motor skill issues.

Does he have Aspergers?  IDK.  I think so.  He has lots of the symptoms.  



#64 seany

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 04:53 PM

Not trying to pick a fight and it sounds like the kids nowadays receive far too many shots, but let's not forget some success stories from vaccines.  Smallpox and polio were devastating diseases, and now one is eradicated and the other all but.  That wouldn't have happened without vaccines.

 

What if you could give your kid an HIV vaccine? And we could eradicate that?

 

Current topic: HPV?  Over 50% of us carry it in some form or another and while it is by no means a death sentence, we pass it around and someone eventually gets cancer, I'd wager a bet that the odds of getting cervical or throat cancer from HPV are statistically much higher than the odds of having an adverse reaction to the vaccine. IDK - if I were a parent I think I'd be having my boys and girls immunized for HPV.  Seems like a sensible thing to do for both their health and the health of society as a whole. :dunno:



#65 JBetty

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 05:10 PM

Current topic: HPV?  Over 50% of us carry it in some form or another and while it is by no means a death sentence, we pass it around and someone eventually gets cancer, I'd wager a bet that the odds of getting cervical or throat cancer from HPV are statistically much higher than the odds of having an adverse reaction to the vaccine. IDK - if I were a parent I think I'd be having my boys and girls immunized for HPV.  Seems like a sensible thing to do for both their health and the health of society as a whole. :dunno:

 

 

I agree, however this particular vaccine was pushed on the public so quickly, I questioned the safety of it without the usual years of clinical trials.



#66 seany

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 05:38 PM

What's the normal length of time and number of people for a study?  CDC reports that the current HPV vaccines were tested in clinical trials on 30k people.  That seems like a reasonable sample size. It seems more to be that the backlash against them is probably based on bad PR - i.e., the government is pushing this on us and there's too many vaccines already - rather than actual problems with the clinical trials. :dunno:



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Posted 22 March 2013 - 06:21 PM

I have zero proof that shots were the cause of my son's issues.  And I really don't know if it was a factor.  BUT.  If I knew then, what I know now, I wouldn't have had them get a single shot.  Even polio, and my family (sister) has a history with polio.

 

I remember being astounded by the number of vaccinations my kids were getting.  But allowed, without question.  Who knows better than their doctor, right?  Like I said.  They would not get a single one today.



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Posted 22 March 2013 - 06:31 PM

What's the normal length of time and number of people for a study?  CDC reports that the current HPV vaccines were tested in clinical trials on 30k people.  That seems like a reasonable sample size. It seems more to be that the backlash against them is probably based on bad PR - i.e., the government is pushing this on us and there's too many vaccines already - rather than actual problems with the clinical trials. :dunno:

 

 

Good point as I am basing my comments on dated information, since my kids are all grown and gone now.



#69 Wende

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:47 PM

There are other ways to prevent diseases then getting shots.  There are no proper studies regarding the outcome and the damage of these vaccines.  Only time will tell.  We are all guinea pigs.  They study the bare minimum to pass it off as "safe" so they can get it out there quicker.  and as for your Small Pox and Polio statement.  I really do not want to get into that today but if you dig a little deeper than the mainstream surface, you'll see that you are putting your beliefs on nothing but coincidence and timing.  in fact, the small pox vaccine almost became one of our biggest disasters of the 19th century.

 

As for HPV, to be honest.....I'd rather my daughter deal with that as it comes then get shots to prevent something so curable and preventable.  The risks IMO do not outweigh any of the claimed bennies.  :)



#70 Wende

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:54 PM

Anthrax Vaccine is the next up. 



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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:16 PM

There are other ways to prevent diseases then getting shots.  There are no proper studies regarding the outcome and the damage of these vaccines.  Only time will tell.  We are all guinea pigs.  They study the bare minimum to pass it off as "safe" so they can get it out there quicker.  and as for your Small Pox and Polio statement.  I really do not want to get into that today but if you dig a little deeper than the mainstream surface, you'll see that you are putting your beliefs on nothing but coincidence and timing.  in fact, the small pox vaccine almost became one of our biggest disasters of the 19th century.

 

As for HPV, to be honest.....I'd rather my daughter deal with that as it comes then get shots to prevent something so curable and preventable.  The risks IMO do not outweigh any of the claimed bennies.  :)

yes, I read up on polio vaccine.  Timing.



#72 JBetty

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:23 PM

yes, I read up on polio vaccine.  Timing.

 

 

cliff notes? 



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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:43 PM

http://www.vaclib.org/basic/polio.htm

 

http://rense.com/general92/polio.htm

 

The short story, Polio was eradictaed by better/cleaner drinking water



#74 Wende

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 11:07 PM

and this is why it has taken other countries longer.  India for instance...just what?  Last year, declared "Polio erradicated"?!  Although, everyone there has been vaccinated with the vaccine for decades and MULTIPLE TIMES.  Guess what?  They now have the cleanest sanitation they have ever known.  But here we are....declaring victory via VAX and the world is like "Yeeeehawww" 

 

"You see non vaxx'ers, eat THAT"  meanwhile, we shake our heads because of the ignorance that is involved is astronomical.  :(

 

 

"When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker, a RAVING LUNATIC"



#75 Wende

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 11:14 PM

You have to research and conclude your own conclusions using the facts that are able to find.  Not only that, but figuring it all out on your own.

 

Like, Polio, is/was more prevalent during HOT months....and near dirty water.  We now have air conditioning and cleaner water to drink and bathe in.  AND NUTRITION NUTRITION NUTRITION.....This all came about mid 20th century.  BIG DOLLAR signs attached to Vaccines.  HUGE.  And they use our fears to sell them.

 

There is no such thing as an easy quick fix.  The outcome?  well, I think we're all witnessing the effects.

 

Look up HIV and the Polio vaccine.  :(  While Science does rock and can't lie...it's the people, the humans behind it that you have to question. 

Lyme disease is another that comes to mind.  :(  ANother scientific failure.  OY!   <3



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Posted 23 March 2013 - 02:43 AM

 

 

There are other ways to prevent diseases then getting shots.  There are no proper studies regarding the outcome and the damage of these vaccines.  Only time will tell.  We are all guinea pigs.  They study the bare minimum to pass it off as "safe" so they can get it out there quicker.  and as for your Small Pox and Polio statement.  I really do not want to get into that today but if you dig a little deeper than the mainstream surface, you'll see that you are putting your beliefs on nothing but coincidence and timing.  in fact, the small pox vaccine almost became one of our biggest disasters of the 19th century.

 

As for HPV, to be honest.....I'd rather my daughter deal with that as it comes then get shots to prevent something so curable and preventable.  The risks IMO do not outweigh any of the claimed bennies.  :)

 

I feel exactly the opposite. I don't want my daughter to have to deal with the issues so many women have to deal with. Come on, there are so many of us that have to deal with dysplasia. Biopsies are a bitch. For me the benefits outweigh the risks. Both my children are getting HPV vaccines at their next annual. 



#77 Mama Kel

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 04:19 AM

Guess I'm not your only stalker Wende :lol:

And Depends I totally hear you. I think these diagnosis should be a team effort between educators, therapists & doctors. It sucks when your kid struggles but can't get the help they need because of a standardized test score!

I'm quite jaded after 16 years in the field

#78 Wende

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 01:09 PM

I feel exactly the opposite. I don't want my daughter to have to deal with the issues so many women have to deal with. Come on, there are so many of us that have to deal with dysplasia. Biopsies are a bitch. For me the benefits outweigh the risks. Both my children are getting HPV vaccines at their next annual. 

You DON'T know the risks.  And THAT is why I'll stick to letting our bodies do what they were built to do.  And yea, biopsies are a bitch, been there...done that.  Still wouldn't give my children a shot that is ruining SOOOO many lives.  More and more and more every single day.  Know the disease, know how it works.  The shot doesn't magically make cancer not happen.  It doesn't even work that way, yet they have you believing it does.  Read up on hundreds of brand new lawsuits there are every single month, on this shot alone.  Teach your children about safe sex and not smoking..smoking is the biggest cause of Cervical dysplasia.  Teach them about the dangers of multiple partners.

I guess it all boils down to our own research and our OWN conclusions.  My own sister-in-law, hasn't been the same after the series.  She's on cortisone shots every 6 months for nerve spasm's, she's on anxiety medicine, she twitches, she is 22.  :(  Again, our own conclusions. 

yea, We'll deal with life as it comes....<3



#79 Ginger Snap

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 04:26 PM

Perhaps, and I'l keep reading about it up until the visits. :smile: 



#80 Wende

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 05:05 PM

Perhaps you should get in your car and come party with me. and we'll talk over beers.  :lol: ;)



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Posted 24 March 2013 - 07:44 AM

So some  drugs are okay, so long ass you are confident of the risks...and yet you invite me.:lol: Silly woman. :lol: I'm game. =) 



#82 elder

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:55 PM

One needs only to look at the money trail to see between the lines.

The medical numbers and statistics that you all reference come from Big Pharma, with the backing of our Govt.

 

Trust them both at your own risk. Their history doesn't lie.

 

The end.



#83 Geminimoon

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 12:00 PM

My son has been getting his vaccinations and will continue to get them. I don't want him to get sick from something that could have been prevented.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 12:40 PM

I would never try to persuade someone from not vaccinating.  I understand wanting to protect your child.  When my kids were babies, I had them vaccinated. 
Had I known then, what I know now, I would not have done it. 



#85 Wende

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 07:42 PM

My son has been getting his vaccinations and will continue to get them. I don't want him to get sick from something that could have been prevented.

 

oh how I very much wish it was that simple. 



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Posted 17 April 2013 - 09:14 PM

oh how I very much wish it was that simple. 

 

My son has been getting his vaccinations and will continue to get them. I don't want him to get sick from something that could have been prevented.

Today I would say something like this:

"My kids are not getting their vaccinations, and they will continue to not get them.  I don't want them to get sick from something that could have been prevented. By me.



#87 Wende

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 10:33 PM

  I just wish it was that easy.  I also think that with a bit more time...we're really going to see the affect of these vaccines and what they are actually doing to us.  I think it's already starting to come to a head.  Ugh



#88 Wende

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 02:12 AM

Pretty pissed off right now that NY is trying to pass a law to allow minors to consent to STD vaccines given in schools.  This SICKENS me and appals me to think people out there think this is OK.  :( 

 

And if the bill passes, vaccine makers are going to BANK on it and they are ALREADY in the works on cojuring up all sorts of mixtures in their labs, with no trial runs and calling it "safe" and for the "well being of our health"

 

Jesus Christ...what is this fucking country coming to?  :(



#89 JBetty

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:07 PM

Pretty pissed off right now that NY is trying to pass a law to allow minors to consent to STD vaccines given in schools.  

 

 

Holy shit!   That is SO wrong.   :sad:



#90 Wende

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 03:16 PM

I just called my assembly person and they were so amazing on the phone and asked me a couple questions about the bill and they actually let me rant on about it and not feel like I was just bitching.  :lol:

 

I've never called my assembly rep before.   It felt good.



#91 Wende

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Posted 15 June 2013 - 05:01 PM

So, did you know that the Gardesil Vax was only tested on a 2.5 year trial.  It cost's $300-$400 a series of shots.  NOW, they are finding that any of the strains of HPV that actually causes cancer that the Vax protected against.....you are losing any antibodies by year 5-6.  Good job!  So...soon, you will be told you need MORE....MORE....MORE......



#92 JBetty

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:08 PM

http://www.newsmaxhe...05/16/id/504942

 

 

 

Johns Hopkins Scientist Slams Flu Vaccine
 

Thursday, 16 May 2013 06:33 PM

By Sylvia Booth Hubbard

 
 
 
A Johns Hopkins scientist has issued a blistering report on influenza vaccines in the British Medical Journal (BMJ). Peter Doshi, Ph.D., charges that although the vaccines are being pushed on the public in unprecedented numbers, they are less effective and cause more side effects than alleged by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Further, says Doshi, the studies that underlie the CDC's policy of encouraging most people to get a yearly flu shot are often low quality studies that do not substantiate the official claims.
 
 
Promoting influenza vaccines is one of the most visible and aggressive public health policies in the United States, says Doshi of the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine. Drug companies and public officials press for widespread vaccination each fall, offering vaccinations in drugstores and supermarkets. The results have been phenomenal. Only 20 years ago, 32 million doses of influenza vaccine were available in the United States on an annual basis. Today, the total has skyrocketed to 135 million doses. 
 
"The vaccine may be less beneficial and less safe than has been claimed, and the threat of influenza seems to be overstated," Doshi says. Mandatory vaccination polices have been enacted, often in healthcare facilities, forcing some people to take the vaccine under threat of losing their jobs.
 
The main assertion of the CDC that fuels the push for flu vaccines each year is that influenza comes with a risk of serious complications which can cause death, especially in senior citizens and those suffering from chronic illnesses. That's not the case, said Doshi.

When read carefully, the CDC acknowledges that studies finding any perceived reduction in death rates may be due to the "healthy-user effect" — the tendency for healthier people to be vaccinated more than less-healthy people. The only randomized trial of influenza vaccine in older people found no decrease in deaths. "This means that influenza vaccines are approved for use in older people despite any clinical trials demonstrating a reduction in serious outcomes," says Doshi.
 
Even when the vaccine is closely matched to the type of influenza that's prevalent, which doesn't happen every year, randomized, controlled trials of healthy adults found that vaccinating between 33 and 100 people resulted in one less case of influenza. In addition, says Doshi, no evidence exists to show that this reduction in the risk of influenza for a specific population — here in the United States, among healthy adults, for example — extrapolates into any reduced risk of serious complications from influenza, such as hospitalizations or deaths, among seniors.
 
"For most people, and possibly most doctors, officials need only claim that vaccines save lives, and it is assumed there must be solid research behind it," says Doshi. Unfortunately, that's not the case, he says. 
 
Although the CDC  implies that flu vaccines are safe and there's no need to weigh benefits against risk, Doshi disagrees. He points to an Australian study that found one in every 110 children under the age of five had convulsions following vaccinations in 2009 for H1N1 influenza. Additional investigations found that the H1N1 vaccine was also associated with a spike in cases of narcolepsy among adolescents.
 
 
Doshi's concerns echo those of Dr. Russell Blaylock, a neurosurgeon and author of "The Blaylock Wellness Report" who has deep concerns over the safety and efficacy of the flu vaccine. 
 
Not only is the vaccine not safe, Dr. Blaylock tells Newsmax Health, it doesn't even work. "The vaccine is completely worthless, and the government knows it," he says. "There are three reasons the government tells the elderly why they should get flu shots: secondary pneumonia, hospitalization, and death. Yet a study by the Cochrane group studied hundreds of thousands of people and found it offered zero protection for those three things in the general community. It offered people in nursing homes some immunity against the flu — at best one-third — but that was only if they picked the right vaccine."
 
A study released in February found that the flu shot was only 9 percent effective in protecting seniors against the 2012-2013 season's most virulent influenza bug.
 
What's even worse is that small children who are given the flu vaccine get no protection from the disease. "The government also says that every baby over the age of six months should have a vaccine, and they know it contains a dose of mercury that is toxic to the brain," says Dr. Blaylock. "They also know the studies have shown that the flu vaccine has zero — zero — effectiveness in children under five."
 
For most people, says Dr. Blaylock, flu vaccines don't prevent the flu but actually increase the odds of getting it. The mercury contained in vaccines is such a strong immune depressant that a flu shot suppresses immunity for several weeks. "This makes people highly susceptible to catching the flu," he says. "They may even think the vaccine gave them the flu, but that's not true — it depressed their immune system and then they caught the flu."
 
Mercury overstimulates the brain for several years, says Dr. Blaylock, and that activation is the cause of Alzheimer's and other degenerative diseases. One study found that those who get the flu vaccine for three to five years increase their risk of Alzheimer's disease 10-fold.
 
Doshi asserts that influenza is a case of "disease mongering" in an effort to expand markets. He points to the fact that deaths from flu declined sharply during the middle of the 20th century, long before the huge vaccine campaigns that kicked off the 21st century.
 
Why do drug companies push the flu vaccine? "It's all about money," says Dr. Blaylock. "Vaccines are a pharmaceutical company's dream. They have a product that both the government and the media will help them sell, and since vaccines are protected, they can't be sued if anyone has a complication."
 
Doshi's article "is a breath of fresh air," says Dr. Blaylock. "This article exposes in well-defined and articulate terms what has been known for a long time — the flu vaccine promotion is a fraud.

"Here's the bottom line," says Dr. Blaylock. "The vast number of people who get the flu vaccine aren't going to get any benefit, but they get all of the risks and complications." 
 



 



#93 sarah b.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 11:01 PM

thanks, all.

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 05:10 PM

Five Reasons Why I’ll Never Get a Flu Shot
 

 

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If you’re looking for a deeply scientific treatise on the flu shot, this isn’t it.

 

I’m not a chemist, a physician or someone with an advanced degree in biology.  I’m just a mom with an internet connection.  I’m a person who has researched and compiled an assortment of worrisome facts that point in one direction: the flu shot is NOT beneficial.

Some of these reasons are backed up by science, and others are an acceptance of that little voice of reason whispering “Something just isn’t right about this.”  As a reader, you are welcome to take my personal instinct with a grain of salt.  I strongly encourage you to do your own independent research and come to your own conclusions. Look for sources that are not linked to the dollars being earned from these flu shots – no Big Pharma funded studies, no CDC, no FDA.  Check out the funding for the studies that you cite and then judge the findings accordingly.

First of all, it just doesn’t work.

The propaganda machine will tell you that the flu shot is “60% effective”, but this is a blatant manipulation of the statistics.  This article published last year at Natural News  explains how the numbers are “massaged” to present the picture that Big Pharma (who funds the research) wants presented.  In actuality, the flu shot prevents the flu in only 1.5 out of 100 adults.  You can wade through the abstract at The Lancet here.

1.5%.  Let that sink in.  That means that you have a 98.5% chance it WON’T work.  Why would anyone possibly have something foreign injected into his or her body with those odds?

Part of the reason it is ineffective it because it’s guesswork.  Scientists must attempt to predict which 3 viruses (of the over-300 influenza viruses that have been identified) will be the most prevalent during a given year. If you get the flu shot and are then exposed to virus #4-300, you will have no additional immunity to those.

Natural News just published an article yesterday that tells us many of the people being struck down in the current epidemic have received vaccinations, which clearly did not have the desired effect.

 Secondly, there are horrible things in the flu shot.

The flu shot contains some incredibly nasty stuff.  Obviously it contains the virus itself, either “dead” or “attenuated” (weakened).  But it also contains a host of other harmful toxins.  The inclusion of these toxins is not speculation – you can read the CDC’s ingredients lists of the common vaccines in the United States HERE. Following is a little primer giving some information on the toxic ingredients that you can find in the CDC’s ingredients lists. Take the time to cross-match these toxins to the vaccine that is given in your area.  You have the right to request the ingredients insert before you take the vaccine or subject your child to it.

  • 2-Phenoxyethanol is an anti-bacterial agent being used as a replacement for the preservative Thimerosal (mercury). It’s considered a very toxic material that could cause a boatload of side effects, including behavioral disorders … vomiting … diarrhea … visual disturbances … convulsions … rapid heart rate … central nervous system disorders … depression … kidney, liver and blood disorders … and reproductive defects.
  • Aluminum shows up in vaccines in many forms – like aluminum phosphate, aluminum hydroxy phosphate sulfate and aluminum hydroxide, to name a few. It works as an “adjuvant” to stimulate your immune system’s response to the virus in the vaccine.  The problem is … aluminum is a particularly dangerous neurotoxin. It has the ability to slip past your body’s natural defenses and enter your brain – potentially causing brain damage … Alzheimer’s disease … dementia … convulsions … and coma. Human and animal studies have shown that aluminum can even cause nerve death.
  • Ammonium Sulfate is a substance commonly added to pesticides. It’s not known at this time if it’s cancer-causing, but it has been suspected of gastrointestinal, liver, nervous system and respiratory system toxicity.
  • Beta-Propiolactone ranks high as a hazardous chemical on at least five federal regulatory lists. It caused lymphomas and hepatomas after being injected into lab mice, but its true effect on humans is not known. Due to animal study results, the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has classified beta-propiolactone as a possible human carcinogen.
  • Formaldehyde is used as a preservative to stabilize the vaccine. It’s a colorless, flammable, strong-smelling chemical that’s mostly used in industry to manufacture building materials and produce many household products. Plus, it’s also used to embalm – and preserve – dead bodies. (Remember the frog in your high school biology lab?)  Formaldehyde is suspected of weakening the immune system and causing neurological system damage … genetic damage … metabolic acidosis (excessive blood acidity) … circulatory shock … respiratory insufficiency … and acute renal (kidney) failure. It’s been classified as a known human carcinogen (cancer-causing substance) by IARC and is ranked as one of the most hazardous compounds on at least eight federal regulatory lists.
  • Formalin helps preserve the vaccine. It’s a mixture of formaldehyde, methanol and water. It’s mostly used to preserve tissue samples in health care laboratories and presents the same danger to your health as formaldehyde does.
  • Gentamicin Sulfate is an antibiotic that ‘s been known to cause deafness or loss of equilibrioception (sense of balance). It can also be highly nephrotoxic (damage your kidneys) if multiple doses accumulate over time.
  • Monosodium Glutamate (MSG) excites and poisons your cells and tissues. It’s used as a stabilizer in vaccines and is also found in many processed foods.  MSG has been shown to cause retinal degeneration … behavior disorders … learning disabilities … reproductive disorders … obesity … and even lesions on the brains of lab animals. Allergic reactions to MSG can be severe.
  • MRC-5 Cellular Protein is human diploid cells taken from aborted human fetuses. They’re used as a culture to grow the virus.
  • Neomycin is an antibiotic that has been shown to have multiple effects on your body. It can be a neurotoxin and an ototoxin (affect hearing and balance). It also can cause respiratory paralysis, kidney damage and kidney failure. Plus, it retards your vitamin B6 absorption, sometimes leading to mental retardation and epilepsy. Some allergic reactions to neomycin can be life threatening.
  • Octoxinol-9 is a vaginal spermicide.
  • Phenol is included in vaccines to help stimulate immune response. Instead, it does the opposite – by inhibiting phagocytic activity. Phagocytes are your body’s first line of defense. They engulf and digest antigens and activate the other elements of your immune system. Phenol’s phagocytic-inhibiting effect actually hinders your immune system from properly dealing with the pathogens that are entering your body through the vaccine.
  • Phenol is used in the production of drugs, weed killers and synthetic resins, so you can imagine the effect it has on the human body. It’s considered to be toxic to your cardiovascular, gastrointestinal, nervous, reproductive and respiratory systems … your liver … your kidneys … and your skin.  Phenol is so deadly that is was used by the Nazis as a means of extermination during the World War II. Phenol injections were given to thousands of people in concentration camps – especially at Auschwitz-Birkenau – to kill those who were mentally ill, had incurable tuberculosis and were permanently incapable of work.
  • Polymyxin B is an antibiotic with some nasty side effects – neurotoxicity and acute renal tubular necrosis (the most common cause of kidney failure).
  • Polysorbate 80 (Tween-80) works as a stabilizer in the vaccine. It’s used in a wide variety of products including ice cream, milk products, vitamin tablets, lotions and creams and medical products like vaccines and anti-cancer medications. But it’s not as safe as it sounds. According to the December 2005 issue of Annals of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology, polysorbate 80 can affect your immune system and cause severe anaphylactic shock, which can kill. It also causes cancer in animals.
  • Streptomycin is an antibiotic. Its main side effect is ototoxicity – the loss of hearing.
  • Thimerosal is used as a preservative in the vaccine. It contains 49.6% mercury by weight and has been implicated in many health conditions, such as cardiovascular disease … autism … seizures … mental retardation … hyperactivity … dyslexia … and many more nervous system conditions.  The mercury used in vaccines is second in toxicity only to the radioactive substance, Uranium. It’s a powerful neurotoxin that can damage the entire nervous system of an infant in no time.
  • Plus, the inclusion of aluminum and even formaldehyde with the mercury in the vaccine magnifies the problem. Aluminum can make the mercury 100 times more toxic. Toss in formaldehyde as well, and one independent study found that mercury toxicity was increased by 1,000 times.

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There is a risk of terrible side effects.

I’d honestly rather take my chances with the flu than to have myself injected with something that carries the risk of such side effects on the off-chance (the 1.5% off-chance) that I might avoid catching the 1% of viruses that the shot “protects” me from.

The CDC itself warns:

Mild Problems

  • soreness, redness, or swelling where the shot was given
  • hoarseness; sore, red or itchy eyes; cough
  • fever
  • aches
  • headache
  • itching
  • fatigue

If these problems occur, they usually begin soon after the shot and last 1-2 days.

Moderate Problems

Young children who get inactivated flu vaccine and pneumococcal vaccine (PCV13) at the same time appear to be at increased risk for seizures caused by fever. Ask your doctor for more information.

Tell your doctor if a child who is getting flu vaccine has ever had a seizure.

Severe Problems

  • Life-threatening allergic reactions from vaccines are very rare. If they do occur, it is usually within a few minutes to a few hours after the shot.
  • In 1976, a type of inactivated influenza (swine flu) vaccine was associated with Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS). Since then, flu vaccines have not been clearly linked to GBS. However, if there is a risk of GBS from current flu vaccines, it would be no more than 1 or 2 cases per million people vaccinated. This is much lower than the risk of severe influenza, which can be prevented by vaccination.

But what they don’t tell you is that not all adverse reactions are reported and that when they are, the statistics are doctored to keep the do-good reputation of the shot untarnished.

In searching the year 2011 on the CDC Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System website - (http://vaers.hhs.gov/index) – it was found that 51 deaths were caused by the flu vaccines, along with 232 life threatening events, 116 permanent disabilities, 739 hospitalizations, 109 prolonged hospitalizations, 4,039 ER visits, and 6,221 “not serious” reports. According to the National Vaccine Information Centerfewer than one percent of all adverse vaccine reactions are ever reported

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Also, consider cases like that of Desiree Jennings, the Washington Redskins cheerleader who suffered a paralyzing nerve disorder after receiving her seasonal flu shot.  Not only did the industry refuse to compensate her for her trauma and enormous medical bills, vicious attempts were made to publically discredit her.

Jennings was a fit and healthy cheerleader up until August when she got a seasonal flu shot. Ten days after the shot she began experiencing flu like symptoms, followed by severe convulsions and black outs. After seeing around 60 doctors, Jennings was eventually diagnosed with dystonia, a paralyzing neurological disorder that causes the muscles to relentlessly contract and spasm, causing extreme difficulties with walking, talking and general body movements.

Despite the fact that doctors who vigorously examined her condition at both Fairfax Inova and Johns Hopkins confirmed that she was suffering from dystonia, and that the cause of the illness was her reaction to the flu shot, numerous apologists for big pharma have ludicrously claimed that her story is a hoax and that her disease is imaginary, citing no evidence whatsoever and having had no contact with Jennings at all.

Next, I do not trust  the FDA.

FDA approval means less than nothing to me.  If the FDA approves it, it just means that the company behind it has enough money and clout to get it approved.  I do not trust  the FDA to look out for the best interests of me, my children, or anyone else’s children, for that matter.  I wrote an article last year regarding the FDA and here are some of the observations that really show the agenda of the agency:

  • The FDA wants to be in control of ALL things ingested by the American people. The FDA is simply an enforcing tentacle of the big business organized crime syndicate that actually runs the United States, and is thus complicit in the plans of the New World Order. 
  • The FDA can overlook the horrible side effects and suicides caused by anti-depressant pharmaceuticals while attempting to ban the sale of St. John’s Wort, a remedy that has been used successfully for hundreds of years.
  • The FDA can bypass the deadly e-coli outbreaks occurring in massive factory farms where the animals are squeezed in so compactly that they can’t turn around, but they want to prosecute an organic farmer for using manure as compost.
  • The FDA can cheerfully tell the American people, “Don’t worry, there’s nothing to see here”  with regard to the ever-rising radiation levels in milk but they want to raid the dairies of an Amish man who sells milk right from the cow, as it has been consumed for centuries.
  • The FDA wholeheartedly supports genetic modification of our crops and livestock.  The FDA endorses additives and preservatives.  The FDA promotes chemical pharmaceuticals over gentle natural remedies.
MSM’s Constant Endorsement

And finally, when the media pushes it, I automatically decline.  Seriously – anytime there is a big hype or something is made to be mandatory, my gut tells me “This isn’t good.”  Look at all of the commercials for anti-depressants.  Look at all the soothing newscasters telling us how “we don’t have to suffer.”  Look at how GMOs are being promoted as the answer to world hunger.  Real journalism is all but dead and can only be found in alternative media sources.  The mainstream media is Public Enemy #1, a group of corporate whores who put on make-up and a pretty outfit in order to seduce the public into believing what the puppet masters want them to believe.  The media is owned by the same tie-wearing serial killers who own Big Pharma, government agencies and the financial industry.

 

 

 

 

 

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#95 hippieskichick

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 08:11 PM

Yup. there are dozens of different strains of the flu virus, and most of your shots only do 3 or 4, and it's a crap shoot whether they'll even still be in the same form (in the real world) by the time you get your shot (evolution, baby!!) Besides all of the rest of the supposed bad things about the shot, the simple fact is that it is a constantly evolving virus, and there's no way the pharm community can even keep up with it. 

 

I was never vaccinated when I was a kid - it was against my parents' religion. I remember having to bring in papers that said that, because my school I think actually made it a requirement to have a bunch of vaccines to just attend school. 

 

Then when I joined the military, they told me I had no choice but to get everything they had, religious reasons or not (even tho I wasn't 'part' of that church anymore, I was trying to use it to my advantage! :lol: ) They said it was for the safety of the rest of the ship's crew, and I couldn't argue it. Pretty messed up, if you ask me. 



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 02:35 AM

the maker of gaurdasil came out not too long ago and said that there are DEVASTATING side effects...and that it is basically totally useless against protecting against HPV. 

 

http://www.pop.org/c...ost-nothing-985

 

The facts appear to contradict the FDA’s safety statements. The adverse reaction reports detail 26 new deaths reported between September 1, 2010 and September 15, 2011 as well as incidents of seizures, paralysis, blindness, pancreatitis, speech problems, short term memory loss and Guillain-Barré Syndrome. The documents come from the FDA’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) which is used by the FDA to monitor the safety of vaccines.

That’s 26 reported deaths of young, previously healthy, girls after Gardasil vaccination in just one year.

 



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Posted 13 November 2013 - 04:09 PM

another article

 

http://www.strongmin...nt-deadly-scam/



#98 JBetty

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 04:28 PM

the maker of gaurdasil came out not too long ago and said that there are DEVASTATING side effects...and that it is basically totally useless against protecting against HPV. 

 

http://www.pop.org/c...ost-nothing-985

 

The facts appear to contradict the FDA’s safety statements. The adverse reaction reports detail 26 new deaths reported between September 1, 2010 and September 15, 2011 as well as incidents of seizures, paralysis, blindness, pancreatitis, speech problems, short term memory loss and Guillain-Barré Syndrome. The documents come from the FDA’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) which is used by the FDA to monitor the safety of vaccines.

That’s 26 reported deaths of young, previously healthy, girls after Gardasil vaccination in just one year.

 



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This really bums me out.

I expressed serious doubts to my ex when this came out when he thought it would be a good idea for our youngest daughter.

I reminded him this was a new vaccine and there hadn't been many tests on it yet, and we should wait a few years to see what happens.

He went ahead without my knowledge and had her get it anyway.  :sad:



#99 china cat

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 01:39 AM

He went ahead without my knowledge and had her get it anyway.   :sad:

 

wow, I'd be PISSED.

 

never did vaccinate my daughter for this.

 

Wish I hadn't done chicken pox vaccine.

 

Wish I hadn't given her the fluoride drops.

 

Wish we stopped trusting big pharma with what we put in our own and our children's bodies.



#100 JBetty

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 01:43 PM

Yes I was mad, but what could I do at that point?

 

When we were together, we agreed that the fairly new chicken pox vaccine was unnecessary and opted out.

Once we split he went and got her vaccinated, again without my knowledge.

I believe that these types of actions are his passive-aggressive way of "getting back" at me for divorcing him.

Although it certainly made me mad, I'm an adult and got over it.

Unfortunately, it mostly hurts our daughter who is still suffering the consequences of his attitude towards me and our divorce.

And it breaks my heart, because it didn't have to be that way.

I tried and tried to keep the lines of communication open for our childrens' sake, but he would have none of it, despite the years of marriage & divorce counseling and the state mandated parenting classes we had to go to in order to obtain a divorce.