Posted 27 February 2013 - 03:33 PM
It's OK even if you did. Because it's the end result that matters. 
People do not like being told what they have always trusted and have done is all twisted and wrong. IT's normal.
I know I kicked and screamed until I actually had the babies and saw what we were doing to them....it didn't feel right, so I gave in.
Once you know things, you can never not know. 
Posted 20 March 2013 - 11:21 PM
Without getting into this argument fully, understand ASD is waaaaaaayyyyy over diagnosed. Instead of having parameters that define the disorder, just about everyone falls into the ASD category. and the DSM V is about to put ADD/ADHD under the ASD umbrella 
This is not even close to a true number. There are so many doctors that misdiagnose this. I could walk into multiple offices in this area tomorrow, know what doctors to ask for to get an autism diagnosis for both of my kids. And believe me, there are people doing this to get services for their child that they couldn't otherwise get.
So take those numbers with a grain of salt
Posted 22 March 2013 - 03:03 PM
ooooo, you saw my post...you're quick. I erased it pretty damn quickly too. Stalker~
yes Mwahahahahahahaha
And if what you are saying is true...that's scary in itself. Services are already being overloaded and misused. Why would anyone want their child labeled Autistic? Crazy~
It's sad. But what's even sadder is that the families have been driven to that point by the schools. It's so ingrained in standardized test scores that kids with real needs can't get the help without the scores! So your next best option is a medical diagnosis. Then you have the parents who just NEED an answer, so ASD is better than IDK. Then you have the parents who don't question the doctors & the drs give out the diagnosis so irresponsibly.
We have a dr in our medical group that tells every parent that walks in the door (whether for an ear ache, a well visit or anything) and they walk out with an autism diagnosis & sometimes MEDS for ADHD - we;re talking 2 year olds!! I encourage the parents to complain & I've complained to my dr b/c she's in our practice but I can't do more due to confidentiality. I'm hoping to get her on a sick visit & rip her a new one!
Posted 22 March 2013 - 04:52 PM
From a parents POV:
We always knew something was off with Nick. When he was 4 or so, we took him to a psychologist. Nothing wrong he said. But he kept flapping his arms, motor skill were very under developed. At 8, we took him to a behavioral therapist. He said Nick was borderline ADHD, with some Asperger's traits. He wanted to put him on meds. Nick's own doctor said " Oh ASD is so hard to diagnose, but I don't think he has symptoms." Still, Nick had trouble reading. Still couldn't ride a bike. Handwriting is awful. Still flaps his arms. Talks incessantly about a subject that he might be interested in. Finally we take him to Children's Hospital in Boston. A full day of testing. They diagnose him with Aspergers. We start getting the help we need. We take advise from a large source of people. Diet, sleep issues, motor skill issues.
Does he have Aspergers? IDK. I think so. He has lots of the symptoms.
Posted 22 March 2013 - 04:53 PM
Not trying to pick a fight and it sounds like the kids nowadays receive far too many shots, but let's not forget some success stories from vaccines. Smallpox and polio were devastating diseases, and now one is eradicated and the other all but. That wouldn't have happened without vaccines.
What if you could give your kid an HIV vaccine? And we could eradicate that?
Current topic: HPV? Over 50% of us carry it in some form or another and while it is by no means a death sentence, we pass it around and someone eventually gets cancer, I'd wager a bet that the odds of getting cervical or throat cancer from HPV are statistically much higher than the odds of having an adverse reaction to the vaccine. IDK - if I were a parent I think I'd be having my boys and girls immunized for HPV. Seems like a sensible thing to do for both their health and the health of society as a whole. 
Posted 22 March 2013 - 05:10 PM
Current topic: HPV? Over 50% of us carry it in some form or another and while it is by no means a death sentence, we pass it around and someone eventually gets cancer, I'd wager a bet that the odds of getting cervical or throat cancer from HPV are statistically much higher than the odds of having an adverse reaction to the vaccine. IDK - if I were a parent I think I'd be having my boys and girls immunized for HPV. Seems like a sensible thing to do for both their health and the health of society as a whole.
I agree, however this particular vaccine was pushed on the public so quickly, I questioned the safety of it without the usual years of clinical trials.
Posted 22 March 2013 - 05:38 PM
What's the normal length of time and number of people for a study? CDC reports that the current HPV vaccines were tested in clinical trials on 30k people. That seems like a reasonable sample size. It seems more to be that the backlash against them is probably based on bad PR - i.e., the government is pushing this on us and there's too many vaccines already - rather than actual problems with the clinical trials.
Posted 22 March 2013 - 06:21 PM
I have zero proof that shots were the cause of my son's issues. And I really don't know if it was a factor. BUT. If I knew then, what I know now, I wouldn't have had them get a single shot. Even polio, and my family (sister) has a history with polio.
I remember being astounded by the number of vaccinations my kids were getting. But allowed, without question. Who knows better than their doctor, right? Like I said. They would not get a single one today.
Posted 22 March 2013 - 06:31 PM
What's the normal length of time and number of people for a study? CDC reports that the current HPV vaccines were tested in clinical trials on 30k people. That seems like a reasonable sample size. It seems more to be that the backlash against them is probably based on bad PR - i.e., the government is pushing this on us and there's too many vaccines already - rather than actual problems with the clinical trials.
Good point as I am basing my comments on dated information, since my kids are all grown and gone now.
Posted 22 March 2013 - 07:47 PM
There are other ways to prevent diseases then getting shots. There are no proper studies regarding the outcome and the damage of these vaccines. Only time will tell. We are all guinea pigs. They study the bare minimum to pass it off as "safe" so they can get it out there quicker. and as for your Small Pox and Polio statement. I really do not want to get into that today but if you dig a little deeper than the mainstream surface, you'll see that you are putting your beliefs on nothing but coincidence and timing. in fact, the small pox vaccine almost became one of our biggest disasters of the 19th century.
As for HPV, to be honest.....I'd rather my daughter deal with that as it comes then get shots to prevent something so curable and preventable. The risks IMO do not outweigh any of the claimed bennies.
Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:16 PM
There are other ways to prevent diseases then getting shots. There are no proper studies regarding the outcome and the damage of these vaccines. Only time will tell. We are all guinea pigs. They study the bare minimum to pass it off as "safe" so they can get it out there quicker. and as for your Small Pox and Polio statement. I really do not want to get into that today but if you dig a little deeper than the mainstream surface, you'll see that you are putting your beliefs on nothing but coincidence and timing. in fact, the small pox vaccine almost became one of our biggest disasters of the 19th century.
As for HPV, to be honest.....I'd rather my daughter deal with that as it comes then get shots to prevent something so curable and preventable. The risks IMO do not outweigh any of the claimed bennies.
yes, I read up on polio vaccine. Timing.
Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:43 PM
http://www.vaclib.org/basic/polio.htm
http://rense.com/general92/polio.htm
The short story, Polio was eradictaed by better/cleaner drinking water
Posted 22 March 2013 - 11:07 PM
and this is why it has taken other countries longer. India for instance...just what? Last year, declared "Polio erradicated"?! Although, everyone there has been vaccinated with the vaccine for decades and MULTIPLE TIMES. Guess what? They now have the cleanest sanitation they have ever known. But here we are....declaring victory via VAX and the world is like "Yeeeehawww"
"You see non vaxx'ers, eat THAT" meanwhile, we shake our heads because of the ignorance that is involved is astronomical. 
"When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker, a RAVING LUNATIC"
Posted 22 March 2013 - 11:14 PM
You have to research and conclude your own conclusions using the facts that are able to find. Not only that, but figuring it all out on your own.
Like, Polio, is/was more prevalent during HOT months....and near dirty water. We now have air conditioning and cleaner water to drink and bathe in. AND NUTRITION NUTRITION NUTRITION.....This all came about mid 20th century. BIG DOLLAR signs attached to Vaccines. HUGE. And they use our fears to sell them.
There is no such thing as an easy quick fix. The outcome? well, I think we're all witnessing the effects.
Look up HIV and the Polio vaccine. While Science does rock and can't lie...it's the people, the humans behind it that you have to question.
Lyme disease is another that comes to mind. ANother scientific failure. OY! 
Posted 23 March 2013 - 02:43 AM
There are other ways to prevent diseases then getting shots. There are no proper studies regarding the outcome and the damage of these vaccines. Only time will tell. We are all guinea pigs. They study the bare minimum to pass it off as "safe" so they can get it out there quicker. and as for your Small Pox and Polio statement. I really do not want to get into that today but if you dig a little deeper than the mainstream surface, you'll see that you are putting your beliefs on nothing but coincidence and timing. in fact, the small pox vaccine almost became one of our biggest disasters of the 19th century.
As for HPV, to be honest.....I'd rather my daughter deal with that as it comes then get shots to prevent something so curable and preventable. The risks IMO do not outweigh any of the claimed bennies.
I feel exactly the opposite. I don't want my daughter to have to deal with the issues so many women have to deal with. Come on, there are so many of us that have to deal with dysplasia. Biopsies are a bitch. For me the benefits outweigh the risks. Both my children are getting HPV vaccines at their next annual.
Posted 23 March 2013 - 04:19 AM
Posted 23 March 2013 - 01:09 PM
I feel exactly the opposite. I don't want my daughter to have to deal with the issues so many women have to deal with. Come on, there are so many of us that have to deal with dysplasia. Biopsies are a bitch. For me the benefits outweigh the risks. Both my children are getting HPV vaccines at their next annual.
You DON'T know the risks. And THAT is why I'll stick to letting our bodies do what they were built to do. And yea, biopsies are a bitch, been there...done that. Still wouldn't give my children a shot that is ruining SOOOO many lives. More and more and more every single day. Know the disease, know how it works. The shot doesn't magically make cancer not happen. It doesn't even work that way, yet they have you believing it does. Read up on hundreds of brand new lawsuits there are every single month, on this shot alone. Teach your children about safe sex and not smoking..smoking is the biggest cause of Cervical dysplasia. Teach them about the dangers of multiple partners.
I guess it all boils down to our own research and our OWN conclusions. My own sister-in-law, hasn't been the same after the series. She's on cortisone shots every 6 months for nerve spasm's, she's on anxiety medicine, she twitches, she is 22. Again, our own conclusions.
yea, We'll deal with life as it comes....
Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:55 PM
One needs only to look at the money trail to see between the lines.
The medical numbers and statistics that you all reference come from Big Pharma, with the backing of our Govt.
Trust them both at your own risk. Their history doesn't lie.
The end.
Posted 17 April 2013 - 09:14 PM
oh how I very much wish it was that simple.
My son has been getting his vaccinations and will continue to get them. I don't want him to get sick from something that could have been prevented.
Today I would say something like this:
"My kids are not getting their vaccinations, and they will continue to not get them. I don't want them to get sick from something that could have been prevented. By me.
Posted 29 May 2013 - 02:12 AM
Pretty pissed off right now that NY is trying to pass a law to allow minors to consent to STD vaccines given in schools. This SICKENS me and appals me to think people out there think this is OK.
And if the bill passes, vaccine makers are going to BANK on it and they are ALREADY in the works on cojuring up all sorts of mixtures in their labs, with no trial runs and calling it "safe" and for the "well being of our health"
Jesus Christ...what is this fucking country coming to?
Posted 29 May 2013 - 03:16 PM
I just called my assembly person and they were so amazing on the phone and asked me a couple questions about the bill and they actually let me rant on about it and not feel like I was just bitching.
I've never called my assembly rep before. It felt good.
Posted 15 June 2013 - 05:01 PM
So, did you know that the Gardesil Vax was only tested on a 2.5 year trial. It cost's $300-$400 a series of shots. NOW, they are finding that any of the strains of HPV that actually causes cancer that the Vax protected against.....you are losing any antibodies by year 5-6. Good job! So...soon, you will be told you need MORE....MORE....MORE......
