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#51 PeaceFrog

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:31 AM

how about this for a rule of thumb... it's not a person until the mother or father gives it a name. It's about as ambiguous as any other guideline.

#52 JBetty

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:51 PM

:lol:

None of my 3 kids had a name until after they were born.

#53 Indigo Adventurer

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:21 PM

:lol:

None of my 3 kids had a name until after they were born.

:lol:

None of my 3 kids had a name until after they were born.


wow really? That is pretty unique did you just know when you saw them?

#54 Tim the Beek

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:27 PM

wow really? That is pretty unique did you just know when you saw them?


How are Mofo, Morphine and AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGH doin'?

#55 JBetty

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:28 PM

Kind of.
We had tossed around names for both boy and girl each time, but could never really decide.
Once they were born, it became obvious fairly quickly what the name would be.

#56 JBetty

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:28 PM

How are Mofo, Morphine and AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGH doin'?




:rolling:

Remind you to tell you my birthing stories next time I see you.
Won't even take 5 minutes.

#57 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:33 PM

Remind you to tell you my birth stories next time I see you.


:undecided:

#58 JBetty

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 03:00 PM

You weren't invited. :nulo:

#59 Tim the Beek

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 03:16 PM

JB- remind me to remind you next time we see each other... :funny1:

#60 Wende

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 03:17 PM

None of my kids had names either until after they were born. MY second son went 3 days before I finally decided.

Last year Aleks' name was Laura until after I had her. :lol:

And as for abortion.....Well, I guess I don't understand this thread at all. What are you looking for? Something Scientific? Or opinions?

#61 JBetty

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 03:23 PM

TtB - Remind me to remember to remind you next time we see each other.

#62 hoagie

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 03:49 PM

Nonsensical comment

#63 JBetty

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 03:54 PM

:tease:

#64 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 03:56 PM

TtB - Remind me to remember to remind you next time we see each other.




#65 Tim the Beek

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:08 PM

Fool comments FTW!

#66 PeaceFrog

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 07:41 PM

:lol:

None of my 3 kids had a name until after they were born.


that's just practical thinking... gives you time to decide whether or not you really want to keep them.

so yeah TASB, do you want science or opinions?

#67 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 08:20 PM

It seems the "science" on this is a matter of opinion.

#68 PeaceFrog

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:01 PM

scientifically, it is a lump of human DNA

legally, it is not a person.

if it's legally not a person, than morally it is not murder.

#69 PeaceFrog

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:03 PM

If a baby is born on January 1, 2013 can it be written off as a dependent on your 2012 tax return?

#70 TEO

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:03 PM

Then why is there so much controversy surrounding such?

#71 PeaceFrog

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:08 PM

Then why is there so much controversy surrounding such?


because it is a wedge issue that opportunists can exploit for political advantage.

I'm not sure if you saw my question, but it wasn't rhetorical. Can you write off a baby as a dependent if it was born after the New Year?

#72 MeOmYo

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:08 PM

People couldn't possibly come to these decisions on their own. We need a committee n shet for this sos the gov't can decide which is right for me.

#73 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:10 PM

scientifically, it is a lump of human DNA

legally, it is not a person.

if it's legally not a person, than morally it is not murder.


So laws dictate morality? I should have known you bow to the throne of other men.

#74 JBetty

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:11 PM

because it is a wedge issue that opportunists can exploit for political advantage.

I'm not sure if you saw my question, but it wasn't rhetorical. Can you write off a baby as a dependent if it was born after the New Year?



Now you're talking IRS rules which have nothing to do with morality.

#75 PeaceFrog

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:15 PM

Now you're talking IRS rules which have nothing to do with morality.


I agree. But, it could be used as a legal precedent as proof that an unborn fetus is not a person.

But my real point in all this is that the 12 week cutoff is a compromise that we came to many years ago, but for some reason it's getting brought back up again.

If the pro-life people want to re-negotiate, then fine... but I think it will cost them tax dollars that they're not willing to part with.

#76 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:17 PM

It is morally repugnant that you crossed the street outside the crossing zone and while the indicator had don't walk flashing. Get right with your chosen god.

#77 PeaceFrog

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:44 PM

I'm morally repugged by all the lubricated catheter and super beta prostate commercials.

#78 unbroken_chain

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:30 PM

don't matter .... person? not important, really. If I put a burning cigaratte to your nipple... will you wince?

#79 PeaceFrog

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:33 PM

don't matter .... person? not important, really. If I put a burning cigaratte to your nipple... will you wince?


probably not depending on the levals of anesthesia.

#80 Indigo Adventurer

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 04:06 AM

:eek1: not like this... not like this.

#81 PeaceFrog

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:31 AM

:eek1: not like this... not like this.


what's wrong? where did we mess up.