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#1 TEO

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 03:58 PM

Looks intriguing.


"Behold A Pale Horse was written in 1990 by William Cooper an ex agent. Quote: The govt. encouraged the manufacture and importation of military firearms for criminals to use. This is intended to foster a feeling of insecurity,which would lead the American ppl to "voluntarily" disarm themselves by passing laws against firearms. Using drugs and hypnosis on mental patients is a process called "ORION" the CIA inculcated the desire in these ppl to open fire on schoolyards,etc and inflame the anti-gun lobby...The middle class will be "Begging"the govt. to "Do Away" with the 2nd Amendment.(Prozac ,taken is certain doses,increases the serotonin level in the patient ,causing extreme violence). Yall better wake up!!!! This past shooting of these kids was "No Surprise" to me!!!!! Again, this book was written in 1990!! "

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#2 TEO

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 03:59 PM

A bit about the author: http://en.wikipedia...._William_Cooper

#3 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 04:29 PM

I have read it and own a copy if you'd like to borrow it, ms. TEO/

#4 TEO

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 04:35 PM

I downloaded it in Kindle format this morning. Thank you though!

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 04:36 PM

Interesting how mr. Cooper died too.

#6 TEO

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 04:46 PM

I was reading about that.

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 06:20 PM

According to Cooper, the Illuminati conspirators not only invented alien threats for their own gain, but actively conspired with extraterrestrials to take over the world.


seems rational to me, but then i may be crazy in the head

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 06:31 PM

He was named a "major fugitive" by the US Mashals Service just for tax evasion? :undecided:

#9 TEO

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 06:34 PM

Isn't that how Al Capone was gotten?

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 06:40 PM

Yes - but that was just an excuse to take down a mobster they couldn't get any other way.

Similar situation?

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 06:43 PM

yes, Al capone was convicted of tax evasion.

this guy shot a deputy in the head when they went to arrest him on charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and endangerment charges stemming from earlier disputes with local residentsand then he was killed by another officer.
or at least that is one version of the story.

it could have been that the space aliens didn't like him spilling thier dirt.

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:11 PM

yes, Al capone was convicted of tax evasion.

this guy shot a deputy in the head when they went to arrest him on charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and endangerment charges stemming from earlier disputes with local residentsand then he was killed by another officer.
or at least that is one version of the story.

it could have been that the space aliens didn't like him spilling thier dirt.


Is that so?

http://www.burlingto...net/cooper.html

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:21 PM

or at least that is one version of the story.

http://en.wikipedia...._William_Cooper

i'm still holding out for the space alien theory though

but then again your link is from a truly relaible source
UFO and Paranormal Stories , UFO, Paranormal, Ufo Sightings and Crashes,
Ancient Mysteries, Ghosts, Unsolved Mysteries of Burlington Wisconsn.


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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:26 PM

I don't know about the "source" as in the website, but the autopsy and PI findings can be obtained elsewhere as well.

#15 TEO

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:27 PM

Horrible people or horrible space aliens, hmm.... It should be an interesting read.

#16 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:35 PM

The guy had some "crazy" theories. That doesn't mean everything he had to say was pure bullshit. And it's an interesting read that leadss to more interesting reading. Whether you believe him or not.

#17 TEO

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:37 PM

The guy had some "crazy" theories. That doesn't mean everything he had to say was pure bullshit. And it's an interesting read that leadss to more interesting reading. Whether you believe him or not.


I expect it will. Interesting how those that find themselves with "too much information" are so often labeled as crazy then end up dead.

#18 Feck

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:37 PM

I don't know about the "source" as in the website, but the autopsy and PI findings can be obtained elsewhere as well.


and people will find someone to interpret them to fit thier needs

#19 TEO

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:39 PM

and people will find someone to interpret them to fit thier needs


From every angle and result imaginable. So how does one discern which is reality?

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:46 PM

i don't think we can.

#21 TEO

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:49 PM

There is the rub.

#22 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:50 PM

That certainly is the rub.

#23 Feck

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:59 PM

at least that's settled, it was the space aliens.

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 08:38 PM

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 08:46 PM

if that guy really wants anyone to really listen, he going to need a better hair brush.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:31 AM

maybe some, but not many or even most people are "begging to take away the second amendment"

we are begging that the first part of the second amendment which says "for a well regulated militia" be enforced.

but whatever... paranoia will destroy ya.

bottom line is the guy was a nutcase... L. Ron Hubbard was a science fiction author with much crazier ideas than his, and here we are today with Scientology as a religion... so... there's that.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:34 PM



06/28/01

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:38 PM

died: 11/5/2001

#29 TEO

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:44 PM

There is a former boardie who basically predicted 9/11 at the Bison Farm. His "what if...flew planes into buildings in...." I still get chills recalling the late night conversation.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:55 PM

I find it interesting and probably something of little knowledge that Bin Ladebn had been "sought" by US Federal authorities since at least 1998 and probably sooner. The case involing the bombing of the 98 embassy is where Al Qaeda was born. A "snitch" that was in federal custody testified that the 98 bombing was planned by Bin Laden who had "cells" and a network criminal organization according to the federal witness. That was Feb. 2001. By 9/11/2001, Bin Laden was again the mastermind of the attack and then we again, spent over a decade looking for this guy.

As Cooper puts it. The bigggest most advanced intelligence/security/military apparatus in the history of the world couldn't manage to find one man for at least 15 years. Bush could have had him in Torra Borra. But apparently couldn't make the operation happen. The Power of Nightmares really explained this all out to me. Who knows what the real deal is...? :dunno:

#31 TEO

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:03 PM

I highly doubt we ever really will.

#32 TEO

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:24 PM

http://en.wikipedia....r_of_Nightmares Looks interesting.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:31 PM

It's on the Archive in full. Youtube probably has the sucker also in parts. It's really good.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 03:05 PM

I have wanted to read this for some time, thank you for the reminder!

#35 TEO

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 07:10 PM

here's the thing, it's very easy to look back on everything ever said in history AFTER an event takes place, and say "look, that was a harbinger or a prediction."

The reason this is so easy to do is because every day bazillions of people say all kinds of things -- rational and irrational, crazy and sane.

In my mind, telling me that someone in the past predicted something that already happened doesn't mean anything. Look at the Bible, it's prophetic! It foretold this and that. Look at Nostradamus! He was a prophet.

If these people are so intuitive or clairvoyant, why couldn't they see their own deaths, or at the least play a number and win the lottery?

If someone has real facts, then I will pay real attention, but speculation in this regard is nearly useless to me. It's in the same category as astrology and religion -- it's for entertainment and self-indulgence. I can't think of any practical value in knowing any of it.

#39 TEO

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 07:16 PM

What in your opinion is of value?

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 07:29 PM

I value happiness, although it isn't something you can buy.
I value freedom of expression. That is something you can buy.
I value the love that flows within and without all of us. That is not something you can buy.

I value this man's right to write a book with controversial ideas. I also value your right to discuss them. I do not necessarily value the ideas, however, presented within.

I will admit that I haven't read the book in it's entirety, but through discussions with others (even off this message board) I believe I'm familiar with the general concept. I think the nature of it breeds fear and contempt for mankind rather than love and compassion, and that's probably why it holds little value in my opinion.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 07:31 PM

I do value the spirituality, the community, and the love and compassion for others that religion can teach people.

I don't value the divisions that it creates.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 08:16 PM

It holds little value in your opinion? Or your opinion holds little value?























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Posted 28 December 2012 - 08:46 PM

I said it holds little value, in my opinion.

However, I won't argue that my opinion holds little value. In and of itself, it holds no value whatsoever.

The spark holds some value. Some sparks extinguish very quickly, others create big explosions. What has more value -- the spark, or the explosion?

#44 TEO

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 08:48 PM

Does the spark remain after the explosion?

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 08:50 PM

I said it holds little value, in my opinion.

However, I won't argue that my opinion holds little value. In and of itself, it holds no value whatsoever.

The spark holds some value. Some sparks extinguish very quickly, others create big explosions. What has more value -- the spark, or the explosion?


No. That is not what you said. You typed that it holds little value in your opinion.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 08:51 PM

I say that the explosion, naturally, has more value since it is comprised of more energy. However, the explosion would not have been possible if there had not been at least one spark to start it.

But now, the real mind boggling question is: what are we exploding? Because an explosion can be valuable if it's planned and controlled. But, it can also be devastating and tragic under chaotic conditions.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 08:54 PM

I like to pour gasoline on Christmas trees and toss a match on.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 08:54 PM

No. That is not what you said. You typed that it holds little value in your opinion.


are you really bickering over a comma that I may or may not have put in or left out?

Does the spark remain after the explosion?


from a pure physical standpoint, I would say no. It's a chain reaction like dominoes. The first domino doesn't keep falling over and over again.

from a more metaphysical perspective, the spark sort of becomes one with the explosion.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 08:55 PM

I like to pour gasoline on Christmas trees and toss a match on.


that sounds like a real celebration! I would be down with that.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:00 PM

I'm not bickering. Are you bickering?