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[TakeAStepBack]

Not for Iran anyway, no. Or at least not since 1953.

[JBetty]

Well yes, that is implied by saying the media first reported on it that day.

But I would also say this did not go on prior to 1/20/190 (reagan's inauguration day)

Disagree again.
Do you really think that in the ~10 weeks between his election and inauguration he was able to broker a peaceful deal with the Iranis to release the hostages, after negotiations had been going on for over 400 days?

(hostages freed in 1981)

[TakeAStepBack]

Jbetty really knows this era of US political history.

[TEO]

Current events

[JBetty]

Jbetty really knows this era of US political history.

Who needs nice shoes!

[JBetty]

Current events

?

This was 30+ years ago.

[TakeAStepBack]

[TEO]

?

This was 30+ years ago.

Hmm about the same time you were in say high school? :winkydinky:

[TEO]

Really I have a much better recollection of events that happened during school years as they were driven into us over and over.

[JBetty]

After - I was having babies when the Iran Contra scandal was going down.
But thanks for the compliment!

[concert andy]

Disagree again.
Do you really think that in the ~10 weeks between his election and inauguration he was able to broker a peaceful deal with the Iranis to release the hostages, after negotiations had been going on for over 400 days?

(hostages freed in 1981)

Ah, I put 1980, but 1981 is correct, 80 was the election year, 81 was inauguration.

So you are saying that Reagan made a deal to trade guns and stuff for the hostages?

The Algiers Accords makes no mention of this, and states that it was Carter negotiating with Iran as the reason why, but really it was Reagan's threat that led them to make a deal.

Among its chief provisions are:

The US would not intervene politically or militarily in Iranian internal affairs
The US would remove a freeze on Iranian assets and trade sanctions on Iran
Both countries would end litigation between their respective governments and citizens referring them to international arbitration, namely the Iran – United States Claims Tribunal.
The US would ensure that US court decisions regarding the transfer of any property of the former Shah would be independent from "sovereign immunity principles" and would be enforced
Iranian debts to US institutions would be paid

[JBetty]

So you are saying that Reagan made a deal to trade guns and stuff for the hostages?

Yes

The Algiers Accords makes no mention of this, and states that it was Carter negotiating with Iran as the reason why, but really it was Reagan's threat that led them to make a deal.

That is what we were told and what we believed at the time.
As the situation unfolded over the years, reality turned out to be something completely different than what we were led to believe.

[concert andy]

I do not remember this, and not going to research anymore looking to verify this, but if you could verify this, I might find it interesting reading.

PS. I was 13 in 1985.

[TakeAStepBack]

Yes





That is what we were told and what we believed at the time.
As the situation unfolded over the years, reality turned out to be something completely different than what we were led to believe.

Are you saying that the governments official story was a lie to cover up a conspiracy that should have led to convictions and jail time in the highest office of the land? Because that just doesn't ever happen according to official stories.

[concert andy]

Are you saying that the governments official story was a lie to cover up a conspiracy that should have led to convictions and jail time in the highest office of the land? Because that just doesn't ever happen according to official stories.

Same for racial cleansing conspiracy?

[JBetty]

I do not remember this, and not going to research anymore looking to verify this, but if you could verify this, I might find it interesting reading.

PS. I was 13 in 1985.

I wouldn't know where to begin.

Are you saying that the governments official story was a lie to cover up a conspiracy that should have led to convictions and jail time in the highest office of the land? Because that just doesn't ever happen according to official stories.

No. It never happens. :winkydinky:

[TakeAStepBack]

Same for racial cleansing conspiracy?

I pointed out in my post regarding this that the connection of motive for bringing guns and drugs into inner city areas to my knowledge is "i dont know". What I do know, is that the government has bureaucracies that have in fact, run both guns and drugs through these inner cities (and even suburban areas.)

Their motive could be 3 fold for all i know.

[concert andy]

Wait, what am I doing here spewing shit?

[TakeAStepBack]

Probabl;y the same reason Im still here. But Im not starting convos much on stuff. Just really shooting the shit. I spenttime trying to actually engage here. Now it is just passing time.

[concert andy]

Exactly, and I have lots of that today, tomorrow and Monday. Only member of my team at work this whole week. Very quiet, and no traffic. Cant / wont complain.

[TEO]

Yeah I know, but here is a link to Wiki: http://en.wikipedia....n–Contra_affair

[JBetty]

Wait, what am I doing here spewing shit?

PT Barnum'd

[JBetty]

Exactly, and I have lots of that today, tomorrow and Monday. Only member of my team at work this whole week. Very quiet, and no traffic. Cant / wont complain.

Same here, except I won't be spewing shit with you on Monday.

[TEO]

I get to be here tomorrow babysitting the new network dudes.

[TakeAStepBack]

Bummer. I'll be here though. We can share strange information if you like.

[TEO]

Yes, I like.

[JBetty]

It's like the frickin breakfast club in here.

[TakeAStepBack]

and a lap dance or two. Bring your $4 bills.

[TakeAStepBack]

It's like the frickin breakfast club in here.

better than the frickin Bushwood Country Club .

[JBetty]

Not so sure about that.....

[TakeAStepBack]

Me either. I just had no good reply.

[TEO]

Yeehaw, I noticed I still have a stack of fiat currency! Lap dance!

[TakeAStepBack]

[Joker]

[JBetty]

https://www.youtube....h?v=O21xtdoiJoM

I don't know what you posted here, but your timing really sucks.
We're really bored at work this week, and you wait until it's almost quitting time to show up.
Be here at 8am tomorrow.

[Joker]

I'll see what I can do.

[PeaceFrog]

[JBetty]

I'll see what I can do.

8:08

[hoagie]

Usual suspect'd

[Joker]

8:08

What's on the agenda for today?

Perhaps the dealings with/arming of terrorist organizations by the current administration?

[TakeAStepBack]

That would never happen, Joker.

[JBetty]

[concert andy]

Didn't Reagan give Osama bin Laden weapons too?

Bring on the chaos.

...Bored at work.

[JBetty]

9/11 was all Reagan's fault. Bastid

[concert andy]

9/11 was all Reagan's fault. Bastid

[JBetty]

Sad but true.

[TakeAStepBack]

Yep. Bin Laden was an operative who later joined with extremists from egypt and those released from jail in Afghan...later forming militant groups funded by CIA agents. To this day, we still fund and then fight these so called "terrorists". It's a mutually beneficial relationship.

Watch the power of nightmares.

[Joker]

[concert andy]

[PeaceFrog]

captain chaos FTW