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[china cat]

and china...i resent the pron comparison...i in no way shape or form said that playing video games taught your kid about real life. dont put words in my mouth.

"thats it...gotta shelter the children from the big bad real world...the pussification of america has been underway for some time now. i place blame where it should be placed...at the parents doorstep. the buck stops there. "

when I read this, I assumed that you were arguing that keeping things like media violence from kids was putting them at a disadvantage. If that's the case, why avoid shielding them from violence, only? Why avoid shielding them from anything (porn, brutal images of dead children of war, etc...)

[Tim the Beek]

which is what i said as well...the buck stops at the parents doorstep. i wish people would read all of my posts as carefully as the ones they seek to attack

I read 'em all the same. The majority goes to parents, sure. I just think that people who support violent media (myself included form time to time) share in the responsibility for it being out there, and the effect it can have.

[china cat]

i realize this...but it wasnt in my original thought when i wrote it...now i dont even have the same train of though i did an hour ago...so any attempt to re-word it would just be a backpeddle

ok, Aug, then there was some misunderstading about what you wrote.

Everyone here wants a safer world. Part of the reason I fear it won't happen is because we're all in disagreement about how to make it happen and many are unwilling to look at their role in creating violence (parents in the home, corporations who profit from it, politicians who order it, media who perpetuates it..)

I dunno.

[china cat]

Every violent show we watch, violent movie we pay to see, video game we order... all of it is a vote for the kind of world we want to live in.

what happens in culture simply represents the collective vote.

[capt_morgan]

so i will concede that the owners and creators of such media should be more responsible about their usage of it. the government has no business interfering.
if there is a blowback from consumers regarding violent video games they will stop making so many of them...which is exactly how it should be.

[capt_morgan]

aside from that...parents have every right to censer there own children as they see fit.

problem is there will always be that random act. which is why we are even having this discussion....you can prevent life...but you cant prevent death

[Tim the Beek]

the government has no business interfering.
if there is a blowback from consumers regarding violent video games they will stop making so many of them...which is exactly how it should be.

I agree.

[Tim the Beek]

aside from that...parents have every right to censer there own children as they see fit.

problem is there will always be that random act. which is why we are even having this discussion....you can prevent life...but you can prevent death

Not completely, but I do think you can make it less likely to occur in this way. Reduce the number of incidents, and maybe their severity.

[capt_morgan]

parental control, social awareness and a shunning of this type of media are ur best tools to fight this


just keep obradamis out of my livingroom

[TakeAStepBack]

What is going on here? The Capt. is defending freedoms from CC and TtB??

[Tim the Beek]

TtB and CC...moonlightin' with the NSA to make some weddin' money!

[Tim the Beek]

And just to clarify something...I don't want more laws...I want to see us as a society move toward being more responsible.

But if we're going to choose to flush freedom down the toilet (I hope to heck we don't), then do it in a way that might have a chance of changing something.

If I start seeing a move to restrict First Amendment rights, I'll be speaking out against it.

[Joker]

TtB and CC...moonlightin' with the NSA to make some weddin' money!

Obviously it's going to be a bringyourown shotgun wedding

[Tim the Beek]

[PeaceFrog]

I'm all for studying the effect of violent video games on children. I'm all for discussing everything. But I haven't seen any evidence showing that video games increase violent crime or killing sprees so the call for their banning or whatever is a little premature.

I don't play the first person shooters. They make me dizzy after about 10 minutes... but let's be reasonable here. On one hand you're saying guns don't kill people, but then on the other hand you're saying that video games might be responsible?

Well if a gun doesn't kill a person (which is debatable) then a video game sure as hell doesn't.

And, this is how fascism begins.

[TakeAStepBack]

[capt_morgan]

What is going on here? The Capt. is defending freedoms from CC and TtB??

its the mayans...the poles are shifting

[PeaceFrog]

there's a show on history right now showing all these dummies who think they will survive an apocalypse.

One dude thinks he's better off riding a mountain bike... wow. and he has caches of rations in storage units all along a bike path across the country.

[capt_morgan]

im watchin it

[Tim the Beek]

its the mayans...the poles are shifting

[JBetty]

JL not inviting my fiance when she lives closer to the gathering than I do would have been in pretty poor taste.

Plus, they get along and crap.

Lighten up, Francis.
Just cuz she's your bitch now, doesn't mean I still can't give her shit or not, at my discretion.

[Tim the Beek]

<--- iz light

[Tim the Beek]

[Depends]

Here are a couple of solutions:

[MeOmYo]

ohhhh, what does the green one do??? wait, wait, don't tell me, I want it to be a surprise.........

[TakeAStepBack]

Alright. On a serious note, I was havign this conversation the other night regarding why our society seems to be in a degenerative freefall. I'll try to be as concise as I can through my post.
It is my belief that our society is in the state it is in due to how we perceive responsibility. It seems in all aspects of our society, we are always externalizing any negative action/thoughts/etc... It is always someone or something elses fault for everything. People do not, as a whole, take responsibility for themselves. Whenever a situation arises that we find distasteful, we always need a scapegoat, someone to blame.

To me, this is by far the worst portion of the welfare state. It robs people of the moral fortitude to accept responsibility, do some soul searching and try to make positive changes. We're always eager to blame. I think (and this is not directed at anyone or everyone) that this starts in the home and child raising. For instance, I watch children run roughshod over parents all the time. When a child wants something, they know how to get it. They will nag and nag and nag and nag until the parent caves in. That's how things like violent video games get into the home for a child who should not have them. When i was a kid, this behavior would never fly. If I nagged my mother or father for something, I'd get my ass beat. Hard. Now, i'm not advocating that hitting a child is the answer. I feared my father, I did not respect him. But the fact is, the state is making it impossible for a parent to properly do their job without govt. interference. So they give up. The crazies are running the asylum.

This is where it all starts to go wrong in my view. We want to believe we are a moral giant around the world, spreading democracy via violence etc...and at home, we externalize all wrong and take credit for anything that is in good standing. It's the same in the banking industry for example. They like to socialize the losses while privatizinng the profits. It's a moral hazard of the highest order. It's an instant gratification thing, while dodging any potential downfalls associated with such decisions.

I'll post more on this later and see if I can nail down how I see a solution...or if there is one.

[china cat]

adding to something you said, tasb

Corps do studies of parents to figure out how to help children nag them more effectively.

talked about this in my advertising class

https://www.youtube....h?v=Hi63rXnuWbw

[PeaceFrog]

Alright. On a serious note, I was havign this conversation the other night regarding why our society seems to be in a degenerative freefall. I'll try to be as concise as I can through my post.
It is my belief that our society is in the state it is in due to how we perceive responsibility. It seems in all aspects of our society, we are always externalizing any negative action/thoughts/etc... It is always someone or something elses fault for everything. People do not, as a whole, take responsibility for themselves. Whenever a situation arises that we find distasteful, we always need a scapegoat, someone to blame.

To me, this is by far the worst portion of the welfare state. It robs people of the moral fortitude to accept responsibility, do some soul searching and try to make positive changes. We're always eager to blame. I think (and this is not directed at anyone or everyone) that this starts in the home and child raising. For instance, I watch children run roughshod over parents all the time. When a child wants something, they know how to get it. They will nag and nag and nag and nag until the parent caves in. That's how things like violent video games get into the home for a child who should not have them. When i was a kid, this behavior would never fly. If I nagged my mother or father for something, I'd get my ass beat. Hard. Now, i'm not advocating that hitting a child is the answer. I feared my father, I did not respect him. But the fact is, the state is making it impossible for a parent to properly do their job without govt. interference. So they give up. The crazies are running the asylum.

This is where it all starts to go wrong in my view. We want to believe we are a moral giant around the world, spreading democracy via violence etc...and at home, we externalize all wrong and take credit for anything that is in good standing. It's the same in the banking industry for example. They like to socialize the losses while privatizinng the profits. It's a moral hazard of the highest order. It's an instant gratification thing, while dodging any potential downfalls associated with such decisions.

I'll post more on this later and see if I can nail down how I see a solution...or if there is one.

ok where'd you copy and paste this from? there are hardly and spelling or grammatical errors. I call nans.

[concert andy]

Alright. On a serious note, I was havign this conversation the other night regarding why our society seems to be in a degenerative freefall. I'll try to be as concise as I can through my post.
It is my belief that our society is in the state it is in due to how we perceive responsibility. It seems in all aspects of our society, we are always externalizing any negative action/thoughts/etc... It is always someone or something elses fault for everything. People do not, as a whole, take responsibility for themselves. Whenever a situation arises that we find distasteful, we always need a scapegoat, someone to blame.

To me, this is by far the worst portion of the welfare state. It robs people of the moral fortitude to accept responsibility, do some soul searching and try to make positive changes. We're always eager to blame. I think (and this is not directed at anyone or everyone) that this starts in the home and child raising. For instance, I watch children run roughshod over parents all the time. When a child wants something, they know how to get it. They will nag and nag and nag and nag until the parent caves in. That's how things like violent video games get into the home for a child who should not have them. When i was a kid, this behavior would never fly. If I nagged my mother or father for something, I'd get my ass beat. Hard. Now, i'm not advocating that hitting a child is the answer. I feared my father, I did not respect him. But the fact is, the state is making it impossible for a parent to properly do their job without govt. interference. So they give up. The crazies are running the asylum.

This is where it all starts to go wrong in my view. We want to believe we are a moral giant around the world, spreading democracy via violence etc...and at home, we externalize all wrong and take credit for anything that is in good standing. It's the same in the banking industry for example. They like to socialize the losses while privatizinng the profits. It's a moral hazard of the highest order. It's an instant gratification thing, while dodging any potential downfalls associated with such decisions.

I'll post more on this later and see if I can nail down how I see a solution...or if there is one.

I agree 100%.

I do not think there is a solution. The media feeds on this flaw.

[TakeAStepBack]

adding to something you said, tasb

Corps do studies of parents to figure out how to help children nag them more effectively.

talked about this in my advertising class

https://www.youtube....h?v=Hi63rXnuWbw

I watched that. It's really good propaganda.

It's good though.

[capt_morgan]

Alright. On a serious note, I was havign this conversation the other night regarding why our society seems to be in a degenerative freefall. I'll try to be as concise as I can through my post.
It is my belief that our society is in the state it is in due to how we perceive responsibility. It seems in all aspects of our society, we are always externalizing any negative action/thoughts/etc... It is always someone or something elses fault for everything. People do not, as a whole, take responsibility for themselves. Whenever a situation arises that we find distasteful, we always need a scapegoat, someone to blame.

To me, this is by far the worst portion of the welfare state. It robs people of the moral fortitude to accept responsibility, do some soul searching and try to make positive changes. We're always eager to blame. I think (and this is not directed at anyone or everyone) that this starts in the home and child raising. For instance, I watch children run roughshod over parents all the time. When a child wants something, they know how to get it. They will nag and nag and nag and nag until the parent caves in. That's how things like violent video games get into the home for a child who should not have them. When i was a kid, this behavior would never fly. If I nagged my mother or father for something, I'd get my ass beat. Hard. Now, i'm not advocating that hitting a child is the answer. I feared my father, I did not respect him. But the fact is, the state is making it impossible for a parent to properly do their job without govt. interference. So they give up. The crazies are running the asylum.

This is where it all starts to go wrong in my view. We want to believe we are a moral giant around the world, spreading democracy via violence etc...and at home, we externalize all wrong and take credit for anything that is in good standing. It's the same in the banking industry for example. They like to socialize the losses while privatizinng the profits. It's a moral hazard of the highest order. It's an instant gratification thing, while dodging any potential downfalls associated with such decisions.

I'll post more on this later and see if I can nail down how I see a solution...or if there is one.

booyah!