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#1 Tim the Beek

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 05:43 PM

We move away from living in a culture of fear and violence.


- We start a movement to change entertainment/media in this country. And not just for children - for adults as well, as kids are ultimately going to be exposed to whatever adults are. I'd prefer to see this be voluntary and market based, as I value the 1st Amendment as much as I do the 2nd. More, in fact. But if we're gonna curtail freedom because we as a society can't handle liberty responsibly, then go ahead and pass a law.

Video games
Movies
TV
The News Media

all of it. They feed people's fears, and harden us to the damage violence and disrespect toward one another does.


- Conflict resolution/nonviolence classes in 1st, 5th, 9th and 11th grades and freshman year of college.

-Cuts to military spending and corporate subsidies. Take some of the money, and make mental health care available to everyone who needs it. And I'm not talking about long term medication unless it's absolutely necessary. I'm talking about counseling. I'm talking about making the tough decisions as to when someone doesn't belong in society.

More to come, maybe...

#2 In A Silent Way

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 05:52 PM

I was thinking we just blow the whole shit house up and extinct the species.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 05:59 PM

I was thinking we just blow the whole shit house up and extinct the species.




soon

#4 Tim the Beek

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 06:08 PM

And while we're at it with the media...how 'bout we move toward some more normal depiction (particularly women) of what people usually look like without starving/torturing/maiming themselves...less frustration and more recognition of real beauty would maybe result. And less focus on the "stuff" we seem to have to have in order to be accepted/liked/loved?

how 'bout that?

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 06:11 PM

We move away from living in a culture of fear and violence.


- We start a movement to change entertainment/media in this country. And not just for children - for adults as well, as kids are ultimately going to be exposed to whatever adults are. I'd prefer to see this be voluntary and market based, as I value the 1st Amendment as much as I do the 2nd. More, in fact. But if we're gonna curtail freedom because we as a society can't handle liberty responsibly, then go ahead and pass a law.

Video games
Movies
TV
The News Media

all of it. They feed people's fears, and harden us to the damage violence and disrespect toward one another does.


The money made on each of these, will never make this feasible.


- Conflict resolution/nonviolence classes in 1st, 5th, 9th and 11th grades and freshman year of college.

-Cuts to military spending and corporate subsidies. Take some of the money, and make mental health care available to everyone who needs it. And I'm not talking about long term medication unless it's absolutely necessary. I'm talking about counseling. I'm talking about making the tough decisions as to when someone doesn't belong in society.

More to come, maybe...


I do like the conflict resolution classes, and the military spending cuts are always welcome.

... but that cost sounds like more entitlement spending.

What about people who go off their meds?

What about people who do not want help?

What about people who think the government is forcing their beliefs on them?

Or too involved in their life by sending them to counselling.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 06:12 PM

And while we're at it with the media...how 'bout we move toward some more normal depiction (particularly women) of what people usually look like without starving/torturing/maiming themselves...less frustration and more recognition of real beauty would maybe result. And less focus on the "stuff" we seem to have to have in order to be accepted/liked/loved?

how 'bout that?


Agreed, but how do we do that?

#7 Tim the Beek

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 06:27 PM

The money made on each of these, will never make this feasible.




I do like the conflict resolution classes, and the military spending cuts are always welcome.

... but that cost sounds like more entitlement spending.

What about people who go off their meds?

What about people who do not want help?

What about people who think the government is forcing their beliefs on them?

Or too involved in their life by sending them to counselling.


Ixnay on the atwhay fiays. :funny1:

I don't like the idea of entitlement spending. Or government having the power to put people away. Or any of it. But I think we should be having the conversation. Hell, I'm kind of a reformed anarchist. Had the realization that many people at this stage in history can't handle complete freedom. They're too consumed with fear.

Lanza, Cho, Harris, Kleibold...none of them should have been out in society unsupervised...particularly if we're talking about reducing people's means to defend themselves.

As far as the money made in media...if as a society we moved away from paying for the abuse we're taking, it could change.

Maybe a nationwide one day boycott of TV/Tronz/Video games/etc., would be a wakeup call. Prolly not, but maybe...

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 06:34 PM

Ixnay on the atwhay fiays. :funny1:

I don't like the idea of entitlement spending. Or government having the power to put people away. Or any of it. But I think we should be having the conversation. Hell, I'm kind of a reformed anarchist. Had the realization that many people at this stage in history can't handle complete freedom. They're too consumed with fear.

Lanza, Cho, Harris, Kleibold...none of them should have been out in society unsupervised...particularly if we're talking about reducing people's means to defend themselves.

As far as the money made in media...if as a society we moved away from paying for the abuse we're taking, it could change.

Maybe a nationwide one day boycott of TV/Tronz/Video games/etc., would be a wakeup call. Prolly not, but maybe...


All good ideas, but will always lack support of the many to be implemented.

#9 Tim the Beek

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 06:53 PM

A fella can still hope...

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 07:04 PM

A fella can still hope...


That is what helps me wake up each day.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 07:12 PM

money could come from ending war on drugs, releasing nonviolent drug offenders from prison, end to corrupt CIA meddling, cutting military budget, closing bases in some foreign nations.

vote for candidates who stand for peace (and mean it)

parents stop bringing violence into your home (video games, etc.)

incredibly strict no tolerance policies for bullying, which students would self-enforce. share circles for young kids in schools: safe place to express and support one another's feelings. Could take the place of silly morning announcements

mandatory nonviolence training throughout school career. students read about peace, engage is exercises and action plans for peace.. A kindness curriculum if you will

Fairfield Iowa is an town that practices meditation (mandatory meditation in the school).. virtually no violence, low divorce rates....

http://www.oprah.com...st-Unusual-Town

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 07:12 PM

That is what helps me wake up each day.


<3

#13 capt_morgan

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 07:28 PM

ok so we moved away from guns and medications...now you want to ban video games? :rolleyes:
as always...americas answer for everything is ban it or tax it.
i find it amusing that one can be against banning guns in the name of freedom and in the same breath advocate banning something TRULY unrelated.
lets punish the whole game playing community for the actions of one insane kid who prolly wasnt raised or born right to begin with.

ive stopped looking for answers to this...there are none. it was a random tragic event that you will find no comfort in no matter how hard you try to explain it...blame something...or "prevent" it from happening again...as it prolly will either way

i for one will fight any attempt to further shackle good law abiding citizens in the name of prevention......i will not be ruled with fear dressed up as safety
its lip stick on a pig





stop telling people how to live, and stay out of our living rooms!!

#14 Tim the Beek

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 07:42 PM

TRULY unrelated.


I don't, for one second, believe this to be the case.

That said, I don't want to see anything banned. I want to see society reject graphic violence as a children's toy...as something to be played at. There are reasons that more and more of these tragedies are occurring. They aren't random. They're symptoms. So if you can come up with a way to keep these games away from developing minds and still have them made, have at it.

In my opinion.

#15 capt_morgan

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 07:55 PM

thats it...gotta shelter the children from the big bad real world...the pussification of america has been underway for some time now. i place blame where it should be placed...at the parents doorstep. the buck stops there.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 07:57 PM

ive stopped looking for answers to this...there are none. it was a random tragic event that you will find no comfort in no matter how hard you try to explain it...blame something...or "prevent" it from happening again...as it prolly will either way



Unfortunately, and as much as I don't want to believe it, I do believe that this is true. :sad:

#17 Tim the Beek

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 07:58 PM

c'mon Auggie...

The big bad real world isn't kids viewing and playing with images of violence for hours on end until that violence is no longer shocking or bothersome to them...

It's actually keeping them from the real world, now, innit?

#18 JBetty

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 07:59 PM

i place blame where it should be placed...at the parents doorstep. the buck stops there.



Bullshit. You can't universally blame the parents for the actions of their offspring.
Yes, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, but there are plenty of families out there where one kid is a total mess and the rest are just fine.

#19 Tim the Beek

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 07:59 PM

Unfortunately, and as much as I don't want to believe it, I do believe that this is true. :sad:


But if we can make changes to our culture which stop it from happening once, is it not worth it? :)

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:02 PM

...at the parents doorstep. the buck stops there.


That's part of it, for sure. But that doesn't mean game, toy, movie makers don't have an ethical responsibility...that it's ok that they portray life as less and less valuable.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:06 PM

School bullies should have their heads impaled at the front gate. I'd like to fuck up everyone who messed with me when I was kid. Everybody's gonna pay.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:08 PM

video games are already regulated...they are age specific and rated...much like movies. an underage child cant go out and buy a game that is for people 18 and older. what else is there to do?

its the parents responsibility to regulate their children...not the government

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:09 PM

School bullies should have their heads impaled at the front gate. I'd like to fuck up everyone who messed with me when I was kid. Everybody's gonna pay.


there...an option unrelated to video games...there are too many variables here to simply blame tv and video games

#24 Tim the Beek

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:12 PM

there...an option unrelated to video games...there are too many variables here to simply blame tv and video games


There's surely more to the problem than just media and entertainment, but I do think they're an element. And I agree...parents need to step up more as well.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:24 PM

But if we can make changes to our culture which stop it from happening once, is it not worth it? :)



I'll deal with you on Saturday.

there are too many variables here to simply blame tv and video games



True - just as there are too many variables here to simply blame the parents.

#26 Tim the Beek

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:26 PM

I'll deal with you on Saturday.


:lol:

#27 JBetty

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:27 PM

I've been training.

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#28 In A Silent Way

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:29 PM

... and the thread goes NSFW :lol:

#29 Tim the Beek

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:32 PM

Yeah, as if that's your rack...

:cheesy:

#30 JBetty

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:35 PM

My rack is a bit more um.... impressive than that, but you get the idea.

#31 Tim the Beek

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:42 PM

Well, I been training too:

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#32 JBetty

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:45 PM

I am so fucked

#33 Tim the Beek

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:48 PM

:panic: <----JBetty

#34 JBetty

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:56 PM

TtB---------> :kickbutt: <--------JBetty

#35 Tim the Beek

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:01 PM

:tease:

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:22 PM

c'mon Auggie...

The big bad real world isn't kids viewing and playing with images of violence for hours on end until that violence is no longer shocking or bothersome to them...

It's actually keeping them from the real world, now, innit?


exactly, the argument that not inviting violent video games in your home is sheltering your kids from the real world is absurd (violence known to desensitize people to violence hence part of the reason why the military uses them as a training tool)

Aug, I;m sure you'll introduce yoru kids to porn early on, so as they'll come to appreciate and come to understand the complexity of sex in the real world

there...an option unrelated to video games...there are too many variables here to simply blame tv and video games


there are "too many variables" so let's not investigate and consider ANY of them?

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:23 PM

I'll deal with you on Saturday.



yer goin to Jules?! Yay!

#38 JBetty

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:27 PM

yer goin to Jules?! Yay!



You're going too?
Guess I'm going to have to dig out the ole schmoop bucket!

#39 china cat

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:31 PM

You're going too?
Guess I'm going to have to dig out the ole schmoop bucket!


oooh, more for the composting project!!!!

#40 Tim the Beek

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:37 PM

You're going too?


JL not inviting my fiance :blush: when she lives closer to the gathering than I do would have been in pretty poor taste. :funny1:

Plus, they get along and crap.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:44 PM

exactly, the argument that not inviting violent video games in your home is sheltering your kids from the real world is absurd (violence known to desensitize people to violence hence part of the reason why the military uses them as a training tool)

Aug, I;m sure you'll introduce yoru kids to porn early on, so as they'll come to appreciate and come to understand the complexity of sex in the real world



there are "too many variables" so let's not investigate and consider ANY of them?


you are investigating and considering further erosion of our freedoms...so no. try again.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:49 PM

and china...i resent the pron comparison...i in no way shape or form said that playing video games taught your kid about real life. dont put words in my mouth.

#43 Tim the Beek

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:50 PM

It's freedom right up to the point where exercising it infringes on the rights of others.

And if the market decides that modern media is having a negative effect on society, and chooses not to pay for it any longer, then your freedom wouldn't been eroded in the first place. You have a right to play violent video games. you don't have a right to demand they be made.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:55 PM

and china...i resent the pron comparison...i in no way shape or form said that playing video games taught your kid about real life. dont put words in my mouth.


TtB:

I want to see society reject graphic violence as a children's toy...as something to be played at. There are reasons that more and more of these tragedies are occurring. They aren't random. They're symptoms. So if you can come up with a way to keep these games away from developing minds and still have them made, have at it.


CM:

gotta shelter the children from the big bad real world


It was pretty easy for me to draw that conclusion...

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:56 PM

now im demanding they be made? no. if the market decides to go that route then wooptydoo...ill find something else to play...as unrealistic as that may be.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:57 PM

TtB:

CM:

It was pretty easy for me to draw that conclusion...


well draw it again friend...it was wrong ;)

#47 Tim the Beek

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:01 PM

well draw it again friend...it was wrong ;)


So what then did: I want to see that children aren't exposed to excessively violent content--->gotta shelter the children from the big bad real world mean? And do you see how that conclusion could be drawn?

And thanks for the civil-type debate!

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:02 PM

you are investigating and considering further erosion of our freedoms...so no. try again.


I advocated nothing that would take away freedom. I said "parents stop bringing violence into your home."

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:04 PM

I advocated nothing that would take away freedom. I said "parents stop bring violence into your home."


which is what i said as well...the buck stops at the parents doorstep. i wish people would read all of my posts as carefully as the ones they seek to attack

actually maybe not...i say a lot of dumb shit

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:06 PM

So what then did: I want to see that children aren't exposed to excessively violent content--->gotta shelter the children from the big bad real world mean? And do you see how that conclusion could be drawn?

And thanks for the civil-type debate!

i realize this...but it wasnt in my original thought when i wrote it...now i dont even have the same train of thought i did an hour ago...so any attempt to re-word it would just be a backpeddle...so i stand by my incomplete post