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#1 PeaceFrog

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 06:19 AM

Saturday (12/15) Deputies: NC man shoots and kills wife, mother-in-law

Saturday (12/15) 2 dead after murder-suicide shooting at Excalibur hotel on Las Vegas Strip

Saturday (12/15) Alabama Hospital Shooting: St. Vincent's Gunman Wounds 3 Before Being Killed By Police

Sunday (12/16) Terror at California mall as police arrest man suspected of shooting 50 rounds in parking lot

Sunday (12/16) Report: Shooting at Theater in San Antonio

Sunday (12/16) 2 Kansas Officers Fatally Shot Outside Market

#2 Eco

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:38 AM

Depressing news......what a great way to start a day. Think ill grab my gunt and check out that $1.00 beer place instead.

#3 PeaceFrog

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 04:59 PM

can we discuss gun regulation yet? or is it still taboo in 'merica

#4 deadheadskier

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:04 PM

I'd be fine having a conversation about gun control with someone who can actually make a sensible argument and not keep repeating utter jibberish over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

Pick a different topic Peacefrog, this is one of many you suck at.

#5 PeaceFrog

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:06 PM

go find a different thread to troll if you don't like this one. I didn't force you to read or reply.

#6 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:10 PM

http://www.policymic...guns-save-lives

Oregon Gun Owner Stops Clackamas Shooting Spree, Proving Guns Save Lives

http://www.wral.com/...asion/11885004/

Intruder killed in Henderson home invasion

http://gunssavelives...ring-apartment/

Ohio Homeowner Shoots and Kills Burglar Who Also Broke Into Neighboring Apartment

#7 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:11 PM

Notice most of your shootings took place in victim zones, PF.

#8 PeaceFrog

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:18 PM

Sunday (12/16) 1 dead, 2 injured in overnight shootings on West Side

By Adam Sege
Tribune reporter
8:11 a.m. CST, December 16, 2012

A 28-year-old far north suburban man was killed in the West Side's Tri-Taylor neighborhood and two women were injured in separate shootings Saturday night and Sunday morning, police said.

The man was shot about 2:45 a.m. as he stood on a porch in the 2400 block of West Flournoy Street, Chicago Police Department News Affairs Officer Hector Alfaro said, citing preliminary information.

He was taken in critical condition with a gunshot wound to the chest to John H. Stroger, Jr. Hospital of Cook County, where he was pronounced dead at 3:25 a.m., according to the Cook County medical examiner's office.

The medical examiner's office identified the man as Gavin Williams, of the 2600 block of Gilead Avenue in Zion.

About 15 minutes earlier and just blocks away, a 30-year-old woman was shot in the ankle while standing in the 2300 block of West Grenshaw Street, police said.

The woman was taken to Stroger, where she was listed in good condition.

Preliminary information suggested no relation between the Flournoy and Grenshaw shootings, News Affairs Officer Jose Estrada said.

About 11:30 p.m., a 47-year-old woman was shot as she stood on a porch in the 1300 block of South Springfield Avenue, Alfaro said.

The shooting happened in the Lawndale neighborhood.

A male shooter approached on foot and fired, striking the woman in the left hand, Alfaro said, citing preliminary information.

The woman was taken to Mount Sinai Hospital, where she was listed in good condition.

Police have no suspects in custody as Area Central detectives investigate.

asege@tribune.com

#9 Tim the Beek

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:20 PM

Pick a different topic Peacefrog, this is one of many you suck at.


But he can quote Harry Truman when he's justifying his ad hominem antics. That makes him a masterdebator. Or Harry Truman. Or something like that.

#10 MeOmYo

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:22 PM

he's a legend in his own mind

#11 PeaceFrog

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:24 PM

Sunday (12/16) Morning Review: Woman found shot to death in Grand Rapids apartment; young son 'thought she was sleeping'


GRAND RAPIDS, MI -- Police are investigating the suspicious death of a 20-year-old woman as a homicide after neighbors found her unresponsive in her apartment Saturday.

Officers were called to Walnut Grove Apartments in the 700 block of Dorchester Avenue SW about 4 p.m. on Dec. 15 after neighbors found the woman dead in her apartment with her son who is between the ages of 2 and 3.

#12 PeaceFrog

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:25 PM

how many times are you all going to "leave PF threads forever?"

#13 MeOmYo

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:28 PM


Nearly fifty years after John F. Kennedy first condemned corrupt leadership in the American labor movement, it is still plagued by rampant corruption, embezzlement, racketeering and influence from numerous organized crime organizations. From penny-ante theft to multi-million dollar embezzlement schemes, labor leaders continue to violate the trust of the members they claim to represent.

The labor movement is nothing but the sum of its many parts—millions of working Americans who’ve entrusted union leaders to spend a portion of their hard earned salary for the benefit of the collective good. Financially speaking, the sum of the movement's parts totals more than $10 billion dollars annually in mandatory dues and controls another $400 billion in financial assets in strike funds, pension plans, and health care benefits.

In fact, in just the last five years, hundreds (maybe thousands) of labor leaders at all levels of the movement have been convicted of embezzlement, corruption, racketeering, or engaging in organized crime. The problem is rampant, getting worse, and yet the unions seemingly refuse to address it.


#14 PeaceFrog

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:28 PM

Sunday (12/16) Man Shoots Allegedly Victim 4 Times, Then Heads To Dialysis Appointment

DETROIT (WWJ) – Detroit police started investigating what appeared to be a barricaded gunman situation only to find out later he wasn’t at the home — and was likely out receiving dialysis.

“Yes, we are checking our leads, and some of them are … checking local hospitals to see if this individual has shown up,” said Detroit Police Lieutenant Alvin Barren.

Lt. Barren said after a victim was discovered shot four times Sunday morning, it was believed the shooter was holed up inside a home off Warren, separate from the crime scene.

Authorities weren’t taking any chances and brought in the SWAT team and their police tank to bust inside.

“Due to the nature and the violence of the situation it is safer to bring in the experts – which would be our special response team,” said Lt. Barren.

But after raiding the home police discovered — nothing — and new information led them to believe the suspect had never been at the home — and was actually at a dialysis appointment. He still hasn’t been found.

As for that shooting victim, police told WWJ he is expected to recover.

#15 Tim the Beek

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:32 PM

he's a legend in his own mind


What puzzles me is where he gets off being for gun control when he's the only person in human history to have ordered the use of nuclear weapons. Kinda hypocritical if you ask me.

#16 PeaceFrog

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:37 PM

I think you're lost, brah

#17 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:40 PM

Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.

- Justice Louis D. Brandeis

#18 MeOmYo

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:40 PM

What puzzles me is where he gets off being for gun control when he's the only person in human history to have ordered the use of nuclear weapons. Kinda hypocritical if you ask me.


Sure. But when there's meaningless dribble to be posted towards a flip flop agenda, logic has no place.

#19 PeaceFrog

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:50 PM

Saturday (12/15) Oklahoma 3-year-old dies in accidental shooting, authorities say

GUTHRIE — A 3-year-old boy is dead after shooting himself in the head early Saturday afternoon, authorities said.

The boy was visiting a relative at a home in the 1500 block of Derby Lane, about four miles southeast of Guthrie. He found a loaded handgun in a bedroom, Logan County sheriff's Capt. Richard Stephens said.

Stephens said the call came in just after noon. He said criminal charges will not be filed.

The boy's name and hometown were not immediately released.

#20 PeaceFrog

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:54 PM

Sunday (12/16) Roy man shoots wife, keeps police in stand-off for 2 hours


ROY, Utah – A domestic dispute turned into a 2-hour standoff with police in Roy on Saturday night.

According to Kevin Smith with the Roy Police Dept., 41-year-old Christopher Lock shot his wife multiple times in the torso during a domestic dispute at 3792 West and 4750 South in Roy at around 10:20 p.m.

Smith said the woman fled from the house with her young daughter, who had sustained a head injury from being hit with a beer bottle. Their 5-year-old son was left inside the house with Lock, who had been drinking.

Neighbors called 911 and the woman was transported to the hospital where she is in stable but serious condition.

When officers arrived on-scene, Lock fired two shots into the neighborhood and one bullet struck his neighbor’s home. Police called in the SWAT team and conducted a Reverse 911 instructing neighbors to lock down their homes and stay inside because of an armed suspect in the area.

Lock negotiated with officers for about 3 hours and agreed to release his son into their custody, then came outside and surrendered his weapon to police at around 1:30 p.m.

He was taken into custody and questioned by police. Smith said Lock had several firearms in his possession.

Smith says that neighbors received the Reverse 911 message warning them of an armed suspect in the area because Lock did fire into the neighborhood, but he never left his home. Once the incident was over, residents received another Reverse 911 message that the scene was secure and safe.

#21 PeaceFrog

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:57 PM

Sunday (12/16) Woman shot at Bradley campground


A woman was shot in the chest Sunday night at the KOA Campground on Pleasant Grove Road in Bradley County, according to Bob Gault, Bradley County Sheriff’s Office spokesman.

The woman was taken to Erlanger hospital in Chattanooga for her injuries. Her condition was unknown late Sunday night.

Gault said a person was being questioned about the circumstances surrounding the incident.

#22 PeaceFrog

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 06:03 PM

Saturday (12/15) Man shoots friend, self while taking gun apart

LEBANON, Ore. -- A man shot himself in the hand and and his friend in the arm on Friday night while the two men were on a trip to play in the snow at McDowell Creek, the Linn County Sheriff's Office said.

Deputies investigating the shooting said that Brandon Butler, 23, and Anthony Catullo, 31, were about 10 miles down a McDowell Creek logging road with two friends. The group told officials that they were in the area to play in the snow.

Butler and Catullo were talking about trading a set of tires for a .45 caliber, semi-automatic pistol.

At around 11:30 p.m. Friday, Butler tried to show Catullo how to disassemble the gun.

The gun fired while Butler was taking it apart. The bullet grazed his hand and hit Catullo's forearm, shattering the bone.

Members of the group drove Butler and Catullo to the Lebanon Community Hospital.

Officials said that the men had been drinking at the time the gun went off.

#23 Eco

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 06:07 PM

Holy shit batman, can we some depressing links in this thread cause it's just too happy and shit.

#24 PeaceFrog

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 06:07 PM

Friday (12/14) Soldier killed at Ft Hood after firing at officers

Posted: Dec 14, 2012 7:10 PM EST
Updated: Dec 14, 2012 7:58 PM EST
FORT HOOD, Texas (AP) - Fort Hood police have shot and killed a soldier who fired a gun while sitting in his car on the Central Texas Army post.

Fort Hood officials say officers responded to a report of a suspicious vehicle parked near a lake about a mile from the main gate about 3:20 a.m. Friday. Then, the officers returned fire after the soldier shot his weapon at them as they approached the car. The officers were not injured.

Officials say the officers tried life-saving measures before emergency medical personnel arrived, but the soldier died.

Investigators later determined that the 30-year-old man was assigned to the 1st Cavalry Division at Fort Hood.

The soldier's name wasn't immediately released. The investigation is ongoing.

Copyright 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

#25 PeaceFrog

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 06:08 PM

Holy shit batman, can we some depressing links in this thread cause it's just too happy and shit.


I'm not sure how long I'll be able to do this for, and I'm sure that TASB can't keep up.

it's unfortunate that I feel compelled to do this because people just don't seem to realize the gun violence that goes on right here in our own country.

#26 MeOmYo

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:48 PM

We are a violent country; that is our history & our present. It is internalized in all of us. We kill for money, for power, for influence & for attention. I say "we" because I am a taxpayer & my money supports wars abroad as well as mass incarceration at home. Time to stop acting surprised when Americans kill children on our own lands; we do it abroad in the name of "anti terrorism" "foreign aid" & "democracy" everyday. On every continent. Indigenous children are most often the ones under attack, simply because their existence challenges America's reign of superiority. Until our culture learns to value human life over currency & power, this will be our reality. True, a country built on dehumanization is likely to perpetuate cycles of violence. There is hope though, because culture is not set in stone! We are subject to it, but we also shape it. Banning weapons is not culture shaping, it is just law. Shaping culture starts with how we educate our youth on how to place value on community & our place in Mother Nature. & we must speak truthfully about our history. .Do not lose hope. Let's get educated on this issue of violence. Did you know that Obama has enacted a law that allows the military to determine any neighborhood in "terrorist regions" cleared for killing off all teenage-young adult males? Even at home, we criminalize our youth before they even know how to read, destining them for a future in prison or 6 feet under. .Do you value all life the same? Do you think things have no value except as commodity? Do you think children whose parents don't like America's policies of violence deserve to die? Let's change what we teach our future generations so that they don't have to wake up everyday in the middle of multiple wars. All it takes is a willingness to change how we treat each other & how we perceive ourselves. Life is too beautiful to keep robbing children of their futures.

Carlos Santana

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:34 PM

Monday (12/17) 3 Dead in Grand Rapids Shooting

Posted: Dec 17, 2012 1:15 PM EST
Updated: Dec 17, 2012 9:16 PM EST
By Katelyn Boomgaard, Web Producer - bio | email


We just got word that 3 people are dead after a shooting in Grand Rapids.

Police say a 27-year-old man shot two women inside a minivan and then killed himself.

A preliminary report showed that the man was seated behind the women when they were shot and a handgun has been found.

The van was parked outside the Arbor Circle Counseling Center. The group just finished a session at the center.

The man had a relationship with one of the women and also had a child together.

Stay with 9&10 News as we continue to follow this developing story.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 02:12 AM

Monday (12/17) Cops: Man fatally shoots himself while showing off new gun's safety

By Dennis Sullivan
Special to the Tribune
5:09 p.m. CST, December 17, 2012

A 21-year-old Joliet man accidentally shot and killed himself while trying to demonstrate how the safety mechanism worked on his new handgun, authorities said today.

Deon D. Perry was pronounced dead at 5:40 a.m. Saturday at Provena St. Joseph Medical Center.
Joliet Police Cmdr. Al Roechner said today that the mishap occurred around 5 p.m. Friday as Perry was sitting in a vehicle in front of his home with two other people.

The two witnesses said Perry was displaying his recently purchased .25-caliber handgun when "he set the safety, pointed the gun at his face, pulled the trigger and the safety didn't work," Roechner said. Perry was shot in the right side of his face near his nose.

Perry's friends called 911 and were joined by police on their way to the hospital's emergency room.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:25 AM

Sunday (12/16) Tattoo artist found fatally shot in South Gate

SOUTH GATE, Calif. (KABC) -- A man was found shot to death at a tattoo parlor in South Gate and a search is under way for his killer.

Well-known tattoo artist Erik Herrera was gunned down inside Kokopelli Ink. Known for his detailed portrait work, customers were shocked to see the tattoo parlor on Tweedy Boulevard surrounded by police tape.

"It's sad. It's sad, because I know he kept saying it over and over, 'I just want to spend Sunday with my family. I can't do it for you because I want to be with my family,'" recalled customer Alexandra Izquierdo.

It's unclear when Herrera was murdered. Customers said he was at the shop Saturday night, and according to investigators, it was his family members who made the horrifying discovery around 11:30 a.m. Sunday.

Detectives are trying to figure out why the father of two young children was killed. Authorities said he was shot multiple times and pronounced dead at the scene.

Investigators said so far they have no leads. Anyone with information was asked to call Crime Stoppers at (800) 222-TIPS.

(Copyright ©2012 KABC-TV/DT. All Rights Reserved.)

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 06:22 AM

Saturday (12/15) Harrisburg man died of gunshot wound to the chest, coroner says


By ELIZABETH GIBSON, The Patriot-News
on December 17, 2012 at 1:43 PM, updated December 17, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Dion Britton died as a result of a fatal gunshot wound to the chest, Dauphin County Coroner Graham Hetrick said today.

The 27-year-old Harrisburg man was shot twice about 9:30 p.m. on Saturday at Fifth and Maclay streets in the city.
Hetrick wouldn't disclose the type of gun used or whether Britton was shot at close range.


But he did say Britton's body was taken to Harrisburg Hospital 9:30 p.m., and he was pronounced dead at 10 p.m.

Britton's death is the city's 11th homicide of 2012. His death is being investigated by city police.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 06:42 AM

Monday (12/17) Chicago Shootings: Weekend Gun Violence Kills 2, Wounds 16

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:36 PM

http://www.policymic...guns-save-lives

Oregon Gun Owner Stops Clackamas Shooting Spree, Proving Guns Save Lives

http://www.wral.com/...asion/11885004/

Intruder killed in Henderson home invasion

http://gunssavelives...ring-apartment/

Ohio Homeowner Shoots and Kills Burglar Who Also Broke Into Neighboring Apartment


The thread topic is for regulation. Reading the articles supplied above it is unclear if the guns in use were handguns, shotguns or the semi automatic rifles that are the main talking point for stricter regulation and/or ban (I also noted that the first article,the gun owner actually did no shooting- the second, the now dead intruder (a 17 year old kid) was not said to be armed, just shot to death - same with article #3).

Someone could also start posting articles of kids who found the family guns and shot family or friends. There are lots of propaganda-ish articles on all sides of this argument (just look at the URLs above and try to say those sites are not slanted/skewed)

#33 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 02:06 PM

They were both breaking and entering. Regardless of being armed, they were breaking the law and the shooters protected themselves and their private property. There are lists miles long, where people use firearms for self defense. To the tune of 2.5 million incidents a year. This thread is about pushing for something that will not change anything. It's treating a symptom as the disease. We tried it already and it failed. But, hey! Lets give it another whirl in the name of feelings.

#34 hoagie

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 02:12 PM

The thread topic is for regulation. Reading the articles supplied above it is unclear if the guns in use were handguns, shotguns or the semi automatic rifles that are the main talking point for stricter regulation and/or ban (I also noted that the first article,the gun owner actually did no shooting- the second, the now dead intruder (a 17 year old kid) was not said to be armed, just shot to death - same with article #3).

Someone could also start posting articles of kids who found the family guns and shot family or friends. There are lots of propaganda-ish articles on all sides of this argument (just look at the URLs above and try to say those sites are not slanted/skewed)


I guess saying "you cant shoot someone without some sort of gun" is too simple?



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Posted 18 December 2012 - 02:14 PM

They were both breaking and entering. Regardless of being armed, they were breaking the law and the shooters protected themselves and their private property. There are lists miles long, where people use firearms for self defense. To the tune of 2.5 million incidents a year. This thread is about pushing for something that will not change anything. It's treating a symptom as the disease. We tried it already and it failed. But, hey! Lets give it another whirl in the name of feelings.


If everyone is so concerned with self-defense, learn karate or taekwondo. Buying a gun doesnt make you more threatening to anyone.

#36 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 02:15 PM

Yes, you can. If an intruder breaks into your home, you have the right to defend yourself/family and your property. Including lethal force. Unless you prefer a country where criminals get to run roughshod over people. Just remember, the police are always minutes away when seconds count.

#37 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 02:15 PM

So try karate on the armed robber? :lmao:

#38 hoagie

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 02:17 PM

Yes.



#39 hoagie

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 02:20 PM

Yes, you can. If an intruder breaks into your home, you have the right to defend yourself/family and your property. Including lethal force. Unless you prefer a country where criminals get to run roughshod over people. Just remember, the police are always minutes away when seconds count.


Just because you own a gun doesnt make you a good shot with it. Confronting an intruder in your house adds adrenaline and fear into the equation, which makes ones reactions even less reliable. Pulling a gun on an intruder who is armed, firing, and missing, might lead to your death, whereas if you just cowered in fear, they moght just leave you alone.

I cant see the logic in how two guns would be more safe than 1.



#40 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 02:21 PM

You go ahead. it's a free country.

In the meantime, if you want to seriously discuss gun control....WTF do we do about this?

http://blogs.telegra...deadly-weapons/


Making guns in your garage: how 3D printers will revolutionise the manufacture of deadly weapons


Last updated: October 5th, 2012

In the very near future, someone will be killed with a gun not bought from a dealer or a dodgy bloke in a pub, but printed at home in metal and plastic with a 3D printer. The tools necessary to replicate a deadly weapon will soon be affordable to someone toiling away at home. The cost of 3D printers has dropped substantially: models are available for as little as £400. Extremely polished designs such as the MakerBot Replicator 2 and Form Labs Form1 reveal how close the technology is to becoming a mainstream consumer proposition.
For anyone who wants to use their printer to make weapons, the web is a treasure trove. The CAD files needed to build popular hand guns are readily available and efforts to make a 3D printed gun have begun. Earlier this year, amateur gunsmith Michael Guslick, who goes by the name of HaveBlue, created the lower receiver – part of the housing that hold a firearm’s operating parts – for an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle using a 3D printer. He combined it with off-the-shelf parts to create a .22 calibre pistol and fired 200 rounds to prove that the 3D printed component was up to the task.
What’s especially interesting about Guslick’s DIY project is that, in the US, the lower receiver is the legally controlled part of a firearm and must show a serial number. Creating a replica of that component from scratch using a 3D printer suddenly makes it a whole lot easier for people without gun licences to build a high-quality, unregulated weapon.
Zip guns – improvised weapons made from commonly available parts – have always been an option. In the Fifties, street gangs in New York put together pistols with tubing from coffee percolators, wood handles and elastic bands to power the firing pin. The single-shot weapons were liable to explode on firing and therefore more dangerous for the shooter than the target.
It’s likely that the first fully printed 3D gun will be similarly unreliable, owing to the limitations of the material. But that has not stopped Defense Distributed, a group of libertarian gun lovers who have raised over $20,000 to fund their WikiWeapon project. The plan is to offer designs for two weapons – one “training gun” with no moving parts and an electrical solenoid for its firing action, and one with fully moving parts. The group admits that, to begin with, a plastic firearm is likely to be single use.
Cody Wilson, the law student at the University of Texas leading the group, says: “In the future, no one is going to be able to decide who has a gun but you. This is a project that intends to help subvert older hierarchies and these older modes of thinking.” However, WikiWeapon has already suffered two big setbacks. First, its fundraising efforts were shut down by crowdfunding site IndieGoGo. Then the 3D printer it had leased was repossessed by the manufacturer, Statasys. The company said it took back the machine when it became aware of Wilson’s plans.
Also, when someone does get round to printing a gun, they’ll find themselves up against a forward-thinking law. In 1988, following concerns about the Glock 17, which uses a polymer frame, Congress passed the Undetectable Firearms Act, which mandated that all guns sold in the United States must contain at least 3.7 ounces of steel.
But technical problems the law have not stop mavericks in the past. The production of the 3D printed guns could take place abroad. The allure of weapons that are incredibly cheap to make and practically disposable means the production of such a gun is a question of when and not if. Just imagine what John Moses Browning, who designed his first firearm at 13, or Mikhail Kalashnikov, the father of the AK-47, could have made with this technology.
There is no shortage of fiendishly inventive minds in the world and many of them are not on our side. We should start thinking now about ways to ensure garages aren't turned into armouries. Colt proudly displays a slogan on its website: “Abe Lincoln may have freed all men but Sam Colt made them equal.” If we’re not careful, 3D printers could shift that balance again.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 02:22 PM

Just because you own a gun doesnt make you a good shot with it. Confronting an intruder in your house adds adrenaline and fear into the equation, which makes ones reactions even less reliable. Pulling a gun on an intruder who is armed, firing, and missing, might lead to your death, whereas if you just cowered in fear, they moght just leave you alone.

I cant see the logic in how two guns would be more safe than 1.


Go ahead and cower in the corner. It's not a decision anyone of us should make for everyone else. If cowering in the corner and being violated is your thing, go ahead. It's not your place to tell anyone else they shoud do the same.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 02:58 PM

Turn the other cheek brah

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:05 PM

Um, yeah. Okie.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:09 PM

The problem at the root, is violent tendencies. Meeting violence with violence perpetuates violence...

I have no solution to stopping the initial violent tendency. I can only control my OWN actions, and i echew violence.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:16 PM

So try karate on the armed robber? :lmao:


robbers from the posted stories were unarmed and ended up dead/killed

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:17 PM

Like i said, go cower in the corner when someone else comes in to violate you. That's your business. Others would prefer the opportuntiy to defend themselves. It's no business of yours at all. In fact, it's a complete nunya. Maybe you could ask a violent perp to show mercy because you dont believe in violence. They love that kind of weak talk, I've read. :jimy:

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:19 PM

robbers from the posted stories were unarmed and ended up dead/killed


I wasn't referring to those stories. Either way, those breaking and entering should know that someone defending their property or themselves may be waiting on the other side of those walls. Shoud have probably not tried to violate someone else. :jimy:

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:20 PM

Go ahead and cower in the corner. It's not a decision anyone of us should make for everyone else. If cowering in the corner and being violated is your thing, go ahead. It's not your place to tell anyone else they shoud do the same.


I would much rather fire some non-lethal means that police use on criminals (rubber bullets, bean bags projectiles, etc...) than have to live with the fact that I killed someone (like an unarmed 17 year old kid from the posted story), even if said kid was breaking into my house. I don't want to cower, but also do not want PTSD

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:21 PM

All fine and good. That's your perogative. Should everyone else live by your view on it?

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:28 PM

All fine and good. That's your perogative. Should everyone else live by your view on it?


What type of gun is needed for home protection? Handgun? Shotgun? uzi? Why should others live by your views on what type of guns should be legal in personal arsenals?