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#301 concert andy

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 02:35 PM

Here is a stat not getting any mention.

Source: http://smartgunlaws....nce-statistics/

73,505 Americans were treated in hospital emergency departments for non-fatal gunshot wounds in 2010.



#302 Tim the Beek

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:33 PM

From this article in this morning's HuffPost: http://www.huffingto..._n_2421714.html

 

I have no problem with this:


A working group led by Vice President Joseph Biden is seriously considering measures that would require universal background checks for gun buyers and...

 

 

Not so keen on this:

 

...track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database, the newspaper said.

 

If done properly, this is ok:


The measures would also strengthen mental health checks and...

 

While this is just dumb:

 

...stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools...

 

JMO.

 

KMSIAF, I know.



#303 MeOmYo

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:41 PM

Requiring all firearm transactions go through an FFL would make a huge difference. I have no problem with it either.

#304 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:09 PM

The government bureaucracies are efficient, effective and save time/lives/money....oh, wait, no they don't. Quite the opposite, in fact.



#305 hoagie

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:30 PM

You dont need bullets to stick-up a gas station, bank, or a person. Just having a gun is enough...no one knows its empty...

#306 MeOmYo

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:44 PM

You don't need a gun to hold up a gas station. What's your point?

#307 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:47 PM

Will criminals register their firearms? Will they get background checks too?

Will the creation and management of a registry deter the black market of gun sales?

Will the school carry penalty effect those who do not get caught carrying?



#308 MeOmYo

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:48 PM

I think I may see what you're getting at.  You think if there were no guns at all, "stick-ups" would not happen anymore?  Or are you just making an observation?



#309 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:50 PM

I saw no point in the bulletless gas station robbery post.



#310 hoagie

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:52 PM

I think I may see what you're getting at. You think if there were no guns at all, "stick-ups" would not happen anymore? Or are you just making an observation?
Ding ding ding...

I some jabs a gun in my ribs and demands my wallet, i will give it to them, because I dont want to die over $$. The gun could be empty, but I would never know that.

Im not saying that some guy with dynamite strapped to his chest wont attempt to hold up a store/bank/gas station if there were no guns. All saying is that having an empty gun is just as effective in a robber as a loaded gun. Its just as intimidating, I mean.


Point is, regulating bullets doesnt seem to matter if intimidating weapons are stil out there...

#311 Tim the Beek

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:53 PM

Ding ding ding...

I some jabs a gun in my ribs and demands my wallet, i will give it to them, because I dont want to die over $$. The gun could be empty, but I would never know that.

Im not saying that some guy with dynamite strapped to his chest wont attempt to hold up a store/bank/gas station if there were no guns. All saying is that having an empty gun is just as effective in a robber as a loaded gun. Its just as intimidating, I mean.

Finger and thumb in pocket might work just as well...



#312 Tim the Beek

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:57 PM

Will they get background checks too?

Some will try. Not all, but some.



#313 MeOmYo

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 03:04 PM

Ding ding ding...

I some jabs a gun in my ribs and demands my wallet, i will give it to them, because I dont want to die over $$. The gun could be empty, but I would never know that.

Im not saying that some guy with dynamite strapped to his chest wont attempt to hold up a store/bank/gas station if there were no guns. All saying is that having an empty gun is just as effective in a robber as a loaded gun. Its just as intimidating, I mean.


Point is, regulating bullets doesnt seem to matter if intimidating weapons are stil out there...

 

While I see what you're saying, I don't agree.  If someone is robbing you, they are doing it because they need money, not because they have a gun.  If they don't have a gun, they will use a knife or a bat or whatever they have.



#314 PeaceFrog

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 07:37 AM

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#315 hoagie

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:35 AM

While I see what you're saying, I don't agree. If someone is robbing you, they are doing it because they need money, not because they have a gun. If they don't have a gun, they will use a knife or a bat or whatever they have.

Sounds great in theory, but when is the last time you heard about somwone jacking a car or a store using a Louiseville Sligger or a tire iron?

#316 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:03 PM



#317 hoagie

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:20 PM

Wow! Well there goes THAT theory

#318 Tim the Beek

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:38 PM

Well no, not really...the fact that the store had a plan in place, and some headsup employees is what prevented the robbery from happening.

 

Here's one from yesterday...

 

http://www.nbcmontan...4t/-/index.html



#319 hoagie

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:06 PM

unbelievable.



#320 MeOmYo

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:08 PM

Sounds great in theory, but when is the last time you heard about somwone jacking a car or a store using a Louiseville Sligger or a tire iron?

You hear what the news wants you to hear.

#321 hoagie

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:23 PM

i got nuthin'  :wallbash:



#322 Tim the Beek

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:35 PM

Actually "smart" robbers prolly stay away from guns...in some states, at least.

CT has a law on the books which adds 5 years onto a robbery sentence if anything that even looks like a firearm is used. I usta know a guy who had a ferocious crack habit who got popped for armed robbery using an unloaded pellet gun, and he got the extra 5.