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#151 Joker

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 05:34 PM

Are you posting in a vacuum?


Sometimes I think maybe it's just me

other times I'm sure it is

#152 PeaceFrog

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 05:46 PM

One person and an experience in a store.

Sorry if the comments came out as judging, but aren't you now judging also?

Some people like to eat poop. How is that relevant? (To add context to Apple and PC) The new Apple laptop, was replacing a windows laptop. Making excuses for people is also judging them in some way, because you are assuming about them too. Point is she knew how to use it, and if she didn't I would start a thread about how dumb she was.

How could the Apple laptop be a treasured belonging? She got it the week before.

People who treasure things, tend to be materialistic. I try my best to not be this way, but I do fail on occasion.


I know, judging people for being judgmental is hypocritical. I'm not judging anyone at all. I'm just saying that selling your belongings is not always the best option... like hoagie said:

I see how the chick bitching about being broke yet keeping an expensive laptop could get you amped up, ill give u that...but im sure if papa found out the laptop had been sold for cash and a cheap pc replacement, that would be the end of the awesome freebies from daddy. I wouldnt risk that...


I guess it would create jobs if we hire more people to investigate people who receive public assistance and make sure they really need it... but do you really want to go down that road?

#153 PeaceFrog

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 05:47 PM

we could offer rewards to people who snitch out their friends... would you snitch her out for $1000?

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 05:49 PM

we could offer rewards to people who snitch out their friends... would you snitch her out for $1000?


I'm sure at least one person will read this and think "YES! That's a great idea!"

and that makes me sad :(

#155 concert andy

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 05:53 PM

we could offer rewards to people who snitch out their friends... would you snitch her out for $1000?


No, I will just tell her to her face that she is being childish, like I did already.

$2K freebies from mommy and daddy at 29 are prolly a good thing.

And you are not judging? I read you pointing your finger at me for judging, and I feel that is also passing judgement.

#156 PeaceFrog

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 05:54 PM

I didn't actually accuse you of judging -- that would be judgmental. I just said to be careful not to judge.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 05:55 PM

I didn't actually accuse you of judging -- that would be judgmental. I just said to be careful not to judge.


OK. But we all judge, daily. Looking at someone, you judge them in your brain, you do not have to speak to judge.

#158 MeOmYo

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 05:59 PM

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#159 PeaceFrog

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 05:59 PM

it's a matter of mental training. I know it isn't easy. I have judgmental thoughts often, but I try to just observe them like clouds in the sky and let them float by without getting too attached to a single one.

I don't always succeed, but I think I will get better with practice.

sorry if you thought I was judging you.

#160 Phishfolk

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:13 PM

I guess it would create jobs if we hire more people to investigate people who receive public assistance and make sure they really need it... but do you really want to go down that road?


The problem is it is hard to prove and inspections are scheduled. The only real way to accomplish this is through maintenance personnel's documentation then getting the tenant to own up to illegal household members.

#161 PeaceFrog

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:19 PM

the only way to make it fair for everyone, is to allow everyone to collect it. I haven't heard a single politician advocate this, but it's really the simplest and most practical solution in my opinion.

#162 concert andy

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:22 PM

the only way to make it fair for everyone, is to allow everyone to collect it. I haven't heard a single politician advocate this, but it's really the simplest and most practical solution in my opinion.


Really, everyone? Who pays for that?

#163 MeOmYo

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:26 PM

the 1% will pay for it!

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#164 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:26 PM

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#165 concert andy

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:27 PM

the 1% will pay for it!

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He seems legit, I will get in...

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#166 Phishfolk

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:35 PM

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#167 Joker

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:58 PM

the only way to make it fair for everyone, is to allow everyone to collect it. I haven't heard a single politician advocate this, but it's really the simplest and most practical solution in my opinion.

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#168 PeaceFrog

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:58 PM

Really, everyone? Who pays for that?


everyone pays for it, everyone benefits.

#169 concert andy

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:00 PM

everyone pays for it, everyone benefits.


Why would everyone benefit?

Because we take government money?

Very confused by this logic.

(Everyone would have to pay a whole lot more).

#170 PeaceFrog

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:04 PM

Why would everyone benefit?

Because we take government money?

Very confused by this logic.

(Everyone would have to pay a whole lot more).


yeah, everyone would pay more, but everyone would collect, even while you're working, so for a middle class person, it should balance out to where you receive about the same as you contribute. Lower earners would benefit the most, and higher earners would contribute the most.

But if everyone collected, then nobody can say that it's unfair. At that point you just complain about tax rates.

#171 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:05 PM

:rolling:

#172 PeaceFrog

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:07 PM

wait... no, everyone but TASB can collect. he can choose to "opt out" but only him.

#173 MeOmYo

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:09 PM

this is getting good

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#174 PeaceFrog

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:10 PM

I admit that it's a pretty radical idea. Universal healthcare is more practically achievable and is on the same track.

#175 concert andy

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:16 PM

I admit that it's a pretty radical idea. Universal healthcare is more practically achievable and is on the same track.


I still do not understand why this would be a good idea.

Just sounds like more government and more spending.

#176 capt_morgan

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:25 PM

id like to talk about this term "upsetting the herd"
how much more insulting can you be?

#177 capt_morgan

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:27 PM

oh right i should prolly start a thread...cause every 4 page thread on the vibes board stays on topic.

#178 MeOmYo

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:27 PM

id like to talk about this term "upsetting the herd"
how much more insulting can you be?


How about this?

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Close even?

#179 PeaceFrog

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:31 PM

I still do not understand why this would be a good idea.

Just sounds like more government and more spending.


some government jobs would be lost, others would be created. I think unemployed people would get hurt the most because welfare is a lot less than unemployment. If people wanted supplemental unemployment insurance they'd have to get it through their union, or from private insurers.

it's just something I've thought about for a while now, and I throw it out here for others to ponder and give me feedback as to what is right or wrong with it. It's not an idea that I have written in a tablet of stone and signed by Ron Paul.

It would pretty much just consolidate unemployment and welfare. Consolidation sometimes leads to less waste.

#180 Tim the Beek

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:39 PM

TtB likes Spidergawd's point about corporate welfare.

#181 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:41 PM

Well, TASB doesn't like the fact everyone is suppose to shut up about the topic because of corp. welfare.

#182 PeaceFrog

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:48 PM

I thought corporations were people? They're double-dipping. They're getting their welfare and still making record-profits. It's the elephant in the room because it can be proven using words and numbers.

#183 MeOmYo

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:49 PM

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#184 concert andy

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:50 PM

some government jobs would be lost, others would be created. I think unemployed people would get hurt the most because welfare is a lot less than unemployment. If people wanted supplemental unemployment insurance they'd have to get it through their union, or from private insurers.

it's just something I've thought about for a while now, and I throw it out here for others to ponder and give me feedback as to what is right or wrong with it. It's not an idea that I have written in a tablet of stone and signed by Ron Paul.

It would pretty much just consolidate unemployment and welfare. Consolidation sometimes leads to less waste.


I do not like it, at all.

because then everyone is living off the governemtn.

#185 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:51 PM

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#186 TEO

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:51 PM

Where does the government get all the $$$ to give to everyone?

#187 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:52 PM

The 1%.

#188 Tim the Beek

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:54 PM

Well, TASB doesn't like the fact everyone is suppose to shut up about the topic because of corp. welfare.


TtB doesn't either. It should be discussed. Though on balance, I suspect that corporate influence and malfeasance are are far greater detriment to this country than folks on welfare/unemployment are.

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#189 Tim the Beek

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:55 PM

Where does the government get all the $$$ to give to everyone?


By spending folks future Social Security payments now. And China.

#190 TEO

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:56 PM

Oh, I thought it came from that car company, what is it again? Fiat?

#191 Phishfolk

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:56 PM

So I would give money to the government to process remove a huge amount to give to someone else the get a pittance back?

#192 Phishfolk

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:03 PM

TtB doesn't either. It should be discussed. Though on balance, I suspect that corporate influence and malfeasance are are far greater detriment to this country than folks on welfare/unemployment are.



I think most people would be surprised how much of our money is lost through fraud of the social safety net. From recipients of benefits all the way up the food chain to Executive Directors and Board of Directors.

If this chart is even close to correct that is a huge slice of our pie.

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#193 Java Time

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:04 PM

By spending folks future Social Security payments now. And China.



I KNEW SHE WAS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE!!! :joker:

RUN....RUN!!! :panic:

#194 PeaceFrog

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:05 PM

the numbers could be worked in a fair or an unfair manner, and yes that is the danger of it.

I don't think we're ready for it right now... but Universal Healthcare is about due.

#195 PeaceFrog

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:10 PM

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:14 PM

medicaid and social security weren't even included in the Federal budget until Nixon put it in there to make war spending look like it wasn't so big.

#197 Tim the Beek

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:16 PM

Oh, I thought it came from that car company, what is it again? Fiat?


Well, if you want to talk about how money ain't really money, talk to TASB. :funny1:


I KNEW SHE WAS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE!!! :joker:

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#198 capt_morgan

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:17 PM

maybe capt should read the thread again cause he doesnt remember anyone being told to shut up...what he does remember is an insult directed at people who have a differing opinion on the subject. or should i just say the family forum

#199 Spidergawd

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:18 PM

TtB doesn't either. It should be discussed. Though on balance, I suspect that corporate influence and malfeasance are are far greater detriment to this country than folks on welfare/unemployment are.


Spidergawd thinks it's kind of like focusing on the ants in your picnic basket while virtually ignoring the fucking bear stealing your car. But Spidergawd realizes he should have done a better job of communicating that the "shut up" was mostly rhetorical. But that doesn't change Spidergawd's position, no sir.

#200 capt_morgan

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:18 PM

as if there isnt a whole other herd right here in p&r who operates in the exactly same way.
i guess conservative shit dont stink much :dunno: