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#1 concert andy

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:24 PM


(CNN) -- Edith "Edie" Windsor lost her spouse in 2009, her grief compounded by an estate tax bill much larger than other married couples would have to pay.

Because her decades-long partner was also a woman, the federal government in legal terms did not recognize the same-sex marriage, even though their home state of New York did.

"I was devastated by the loss of the great love of my life, and I was also very sick, then had to deal with pulling together enough money to pay for the taxes," Windsor, 83, told CNN. "And it was deeply upsetting."

That fundamental unfairness as Windsor and her supporters see it, is at the center of legal fight now awaiting action at the U.S. Supreme Court.

The justices will meet privately Friday for a closed-door conference to decide if they will accept any of 10 pending appeals, essentially over whether a fundamental constitutional right for gays and lesbians to marry exists.

If they agree to hear the issue, oral arguments would be likely be held in March with a ruling by late June.

The political, social, and legal stakes of this long-simmering debate will once again put the high court at the center of national attention, a contentious encore to their summer ruling upholding the massive health care reform law championed by President Barack Obama.

Earlier this month, voters in Maryland, Washington, and Maine approved same-sex marriage, adding to the six states and the District of Columbia that already have done so. Minnesota voters also rejected an effort to ban such unions through a constitutional amendment.

Is there a national consensus?

As more states legalize same-sex marriage, one of the key questions the justices may be forced to address is whether a national consensus now exists supporting the idea of expanding an "equal protection" right of marriage to homosexuals.

Three separate issues confront the justices, who are likely to only accept only one for review in coming months. These include federal benefits, state benefits and state referendums.

The Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA, is a 1996 congressional law that says for federal purposes, marriage is defined as only between one man and one woman. That means federal tax, Social Security, pension, and bankruptcy benefits, and family medical leave protections -- do not apply to gay and lesbian couples, such as Windsor and her late partner Thea Spyer.

This appeal from Arizona asks whether a state that prohibits same-sex marriage may also deny same-sex couples marital benefits if one of the partners is a state employee, when other state workers in opposite-sex marriages enjoy government benefits.

On referendums, the California high court had earlier concluded same-sex marriage was legal, but the 2008 voter-approved Proposition 8 abolished it. If the high court accepts this appeal, it would likely not decide whether same-sex marriage is a constitutional right, but only whether a state can revoke that right through referendum once it has already been recognized.

"The justices are almost certainly going to take up the question of the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act," said Thomas Goldstein, publisher of SCOTUSblog.com and a top Washington attorney. "The real question is whether they'll step into California's Prop 8 and the ruling there that California discriminated unconstitutionally when it granted a right to same sex-marriage and then took it away. It's a tossup on whether they'll hear that case."

Who will represent U.S. in any court case

Complicating matters is just who will defend the DOMA law before the justices. Traditionally that role would fall to the Justice Department's Solicitor General office. But Obama, in an election-year stunner, said in May he supports same-sex marriages. The president had already ordered Attorney General Eric Holder not to defend the federal law in court.

That left House Republicans, led by Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, to step in after the Justice Department refused to participate. They have hired top Washington attorney Paul Clement-- himself a former solicitor general-- to make the arguments to keep the law in place, at least until lawmakers decide otherwise.

Clement said a congressionally mandated, uniform standard to define marriage for federal purposes is both proper and practical, since different states have different laws defining the limits of marriage.

"DOMA does not bar or invalidate any marriages but leaves states free to decide whether they will recognize same-sex marriage," Clement told the court in a legal brief. "Rather, DOMA merely reaffirmed and codified the traditional definition of marriage: what Congress itself has always meant and what courts and the executive branch have always understood it to mean -- in using those words: A traditional male-female couple."

The law does not prohibit states from allowing same-sex marriages, but it also does not force states to recognize them from other states. Most of the current plaintiffs are federal workers, who are not allowed to add their spouses to health care plans, and other benefits.

Many other states, including New Jersey, Illinois, Delaware, Rhode Island and Hawaii, have legalized domestic partnerships and civil unions for such couples -- a step designed in most cases to provide the same rights of marriage under state law.

But other states have passed laws or state constitutional amendments banning such marriages. California's Prop 8 is the only such referendum that revoked the right after lawmakers and the state courts previously allowed it.

In February, a federal appeals court in San Francisco ruled the measure unconstitutional.

Court could offer final word

By patiently letting legislatures and the voters decide the social and practical implications of same-sex marriage over the past decade, the high court is now poised to perhaps offer the final word on the tricky constitutional questions.

The split 5-4 conservative-liberal bench has the option of ruling broadly or narrowly-- perhaps taking a series of incremental cases over a period years, building political momentum and public confidence in the process.

Edie Windsor is one of more than a dozen plaintiffs involved in the current DOMA appeals before the high court. She and Spyer, a psychologist, had been a devoted couple in New York's Greenwich Village for more than 40 years, before marrying in Canada in 2007.

New York did not allow same-sex marriages to be performed in the state when Windsor and Spyer wed, but did recognize the out-of-state license. New York's legislature last year approved same-sex marriage.

Windsor, a retired computer systems programmer, wants the $363,053 in added estate taxes she was forced to pay the IRS. She said the federal government considers her relationship with Spyer as little more than "girlfriends," something she called an "incredible indignation."

"I would like to receive my money back. New York State accepted my marriage as a marriage," she told CNN. "And I believe, and the Justice Department and the president agree with me, that the DOMA law is unconstitutional. DOMA is cruel. It discriminates against us for absolutely no value to the country. And we'd like to see that defeated altogether. I'd like other people not to go through what I went through."

#2 concert andy

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:28 PM

This is why I voted for Obama, you had your reasons for voting for whomever, or not voting.

They may rule against the plaintiffs, but at least a subset of these cases may be heard.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:37 PM

You do know this would have occurred no matter who you voted for, right?

I voted for Jill Stein, she's been pro-gay marriage for years, unlike Obama who only decided he was for it after Biden came out in support of it earlier this year.

Meanwhile Obama still hasn't come through on yet another of his promises

Obama pressed to ban antigay bias by contractors

Now that President Obama has taken his boldest and riskiest stance on gay rights to date by endorsing same-sex marriage, advocates say it's time to keep a 4-year-old campaign promise to sign an executive order banning antigay discrimination by federal contractors.

Job discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity is already illegal in Washington, D.C., and 21 states, including California. A presidential order would protect employees of contractors hired by the federal government in the other 29 states.

A nondiscrimination order "would give concrete, real-life workplace protections to people who work for federal contractors like ExxonMobil that refuse, year after year, to add those protections on their own," said Heather Cronk, managing director of GetEqual, one of several gay rights groups pressing for action on the issue.

Two weeks ago, she said, former Bay Area activist Cleve Jones approached Obama and handed him a binder with more than 40 stories of workplace discrimination to help make the case for presidential action. Obama accepted the binder without saying anything, Cronk said.

Worker harassed

One case that captured public attention involved DynCorp International, a military contractor based in Virginia, whose laws are silent on antigay bias. DynCorp agreed in January to pay $155,000 to settle a civil rights complaint on behalf of aircraft mechanic James Friso.

While stationed in Iraq, Friso - who is heterosexual and married - said he was regularly called "faggot," "queer" and similar names by a male co-worker. When he complained, he said, the company simply transferred him to another post and did nothing to his co-worker.

DynCorp did not acknowledge any wrongdoing in the settlement, but a month later adopted a companywide ban on discrimination based on sexual orientation.

Federal contractors employ tens of millions of Americans to build everything from roads and dams to missiles and satellites. They've been subject to presidential antidiscrimination orders since 1941, when Franklin D. Roosevelt barred racial and religious discrimination by military contractors, 23 years before Congress passed the Civil Rights Act. Since then, presidents have issued at least a half-dozen similar orders.

Obama once promised to follow in their path. As a candidate in 2008, he told a gay rights group in Houston that he would support a ban on discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity by government contractors, according to a document unearthed recently by the gay publication Metro Weekly.

Spurred by the DynCorp case and others, gay rights groups have held several meetings with administration officials and came away saying they were encouraged that an executive order was imminent.

But on April 11, Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett told advocates that the president had no immediate plans to outlaw job discrimination on his own. Press secretary Jay Carney elaborated at the next day's White House media briefing.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.co...p#ixzz2DkBfo2Ll

#4 concert andy

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:48 PM

Yes, But the court is only taking specific issues to discuss. This is not going to give all gays rights, just ones that are effected by the specific issue presented to the court.

As for Jill Stein, she got less than 1% of the vote, and I never even really considered her. Because as I mentioned elsewhere, the green party is to liberal for me, including Jill. Obama has his faults, but I knew he had an actual chance of being elected. Voting for the 4th party, means nothing to me. It means A LOT to you.

Voting for Obama assures the Supreme Court will not change, and may lean left in 4 years (5 cons 4 lib, but one is a Cons moderate).

In my opinion voting for Jill may have meant Mitt won, and then the Court could have been even more right leaning.

When this issue does come to the Supreme court FOR ALL GAYS, then it will matter who is on the Court then.

I did mention, this case might not even win.

You took your chances with your candidate, I take mine.

#5 concert andy

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:51 PM

PS. Every politician makes promises that are not met.

You just seem to focus on Obama, much like the Dems used to do the same for Bush on the same promises.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:51 PM

wow, you voted for Jill Stein. You know she still lost, right?

and why did you endorse Gary Johnson before the election if you voted for Stein? Were you just talking out your ass?

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:16 PM

Probably be deemed Constitutional for men to marry men before it is for women to marry women based on US history.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:25 PM

Let's hope they decline to hear the case. Nothing good can come from this. We don't have the votes yet.

#9 Joker

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:42 PM

Probably be deemed Constitutional for men to marry men before it is for women to marry women based on US history.

Baby steps baby, baby steps

Now why don't you just scoot on into the kitchen and bake me a pie?

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 11:12 PM

Yes sir, just as soon as get done rubbing your feet.

#11 Julius

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 11:53 PM

Look, just because Roberts had a liberal moment on Obamacare doesn't mean he's suddenly going to come out for the gays. I'm telling you, if they hear this case it will set the cause back, not forward.

#12 concert andy

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 01:09 AM

Look, just because Roberts had a liberal moment on Obamacare doesn't mean he's suddenly going to come out for the gays. I'm telling you, if they hear this case it will set the cause back, not forward.

True, but if they take the case about government jobs and extended benefits, I think he will favor in the same way he did for Obamacare.

The case of the taxes, she is f'd.

#13 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 12:14 AM

You're really trying to ruin Cur's voting approach here. :funny1: