The movie. Discuss.
Lincoln
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, Nov 16 2012 02:19 AM
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 02:57 AM
I can't wait to see it
I saw Lincoln battle zombies and will see him slay vampires soon (I'm a little behind
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I haven't seen the previews yet, but boy o boy I hope this new one he's a swashbuckling pirate on the mighty Mississip!
and meets up with Huck and Tom on a romp roaring escapade against some zany off the wall villians!!!
yeah I can't wait
I saw Lincoln battle zombies and will see him slay vampires soon (I'm a little behind
)I haven't seen the previews yet, but boy o boy I hope this new one he's a swashbuckling pirate on the mighty Mississip!
and meets up with Huck and Tom on a romp roaring escapade against some zany off the wall villians!!!
yeah I can't wait
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Posted 17 November 2012 - 01:22 PM
Post I saw on Failbook:
With "Lincoln" opening the same weekend as "Twilight," it looks like Lincoln's going to get killed in a theater again. And he already had to fight vampires once this year.
That said, I really want to see this film.
With "Lincoln" opening the same weekend as "Twilight," it looks like Lincoln's going to get killed in a theater again. And he already had to fight vampires once this year.
That said, I really want to see this film.
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Posted 17 November 2012 - 06:09 PM
my boyfriend is at the movies as we speak. I was supposed to be tutoring but the client was an hour late 
But there's no way in hell I'd be able to sit through a 2+ hour movie about a dead president lol I'll let ya know what he thinks when he gets back
But there's no way in hell I'd be able to sit through a 2+ hour movie about a dead president lol I'll let ya know what he thinks when he gets back
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:31 PM
is there any american president whom you admire, and if so, who and why do you admire them?
Grover Cleveland. Except in a few spots. But that is how it always goes. Anyone who doesn't hold issue with at least a few positions of any seated President, isn't doing enough research IMO.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 02:30 AM
is there any american president whom you admire, and if so, who and why do you admire them?
Grover Cleveland. Except in a few spots. But that is how it always goes. Anyone who doesn't hold issue with at least a few positions of any seated President, isn't doing enough research IMO.
why grover?
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:56 PM
Without getting too far off course, Cleveland was:
the leader of the pro-business Bourbon Democrats who opposed high tariffs, Free Silver, inflation, imperialism and subsidies to business, farmers or veterans. His battles for political reform and fiscal conservatism made him an icon for American conservatives of the era. Cleveland won praise for his honesty, independence, integrity, and commitment to the principles of classical liberalism. Cleveland relentlessly fought political corruption, patronage, and bossism.....
Cleveland took strong positions and was heavily criticized. His intervention in the Pullman Strike of 1894 to keep the railroads moving angered labor unions nationwide and angered the party in Illinois; his support of the gold standard and opposition to Free Silver alienated the agrarian wing of the Democratic Party....
Cleveland faced a Republican Senate and often resorted to using his veto powers.[91] He vetoed hundreds of private pension bills for American Civil War veterans, believing that if their pensions requests had already been rejected by the Pension Bureau, Congress should not attempt to override that decision.[92] When Congress, pressured by the Grand Army of the Republic, passed a bill granting pensions for disabilities not caused by military service, Cleveland also vetoed that.[93] Cleveland used the veto far more often than any president up to that time.[94] In 1887, Cleveland issued his most well-known veto, that of the Texas Seed Bill.[95] After a drought had ruined crops in several Texas counties, Congress appropriated $10,000 to purchase seed grain for farmers there.[95] Cleveland vetoed the expenditure. In his veto message, he espoused a theory of limited government:
the leader of the pro-business Bourbon Democrats who opposed high tariffs, Free Silver, inflation, imperialism and subsidies to business, farmers or veterans. His battles for political reform and fiscal conservatism made him an icon for American conservatives of the era. Cleveland won praise for his honesty, independence, integrity, and commitment to the principles of classical liberalism. Cleveland relentlessly fought political corruption, patronage, and bossism.....
Cleveland took strong positions and was heavily criticized. His intervention in the Pullman Strike of 1894 to keep the railroads moving angered labor unions nationwide and angered the party in Illinois; his support of the gold standard and opposition to Free Silver alienated the agrarian wing of the Democratic Party....
Cleveland faced a Republican Senate and often resorted to using his veto powers.[91] He vetoed hundreds of private pension bills for American Civil War veterans, believing that if their pensions requests had already been rejected by the Pension Bureau, Congress should not attempt to override that decision.[92] When Congress, pressured by the Grand Army of the Republic, passed a bill granting pensions for disabilities not caused by military service, Cleveland also vetoed that.[93] Cleveland used the veto far more often than any president up to that time.[94] In 1887, Cleveland issued his most well-known veto, that of the Texas Seed Bill.[95] After a drought had ruined crops in several Texas counties, Congress appropriated $10,000 to purchase seed grain for farmers there.[95] Cleveland vetoed the expenditure. In his veto message, he espoused a theory of limited government:
I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution, and I do not believe that the power and duty of the general government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is in no manner properly related to the public service or benefit. A prevalent tendency to disregard the limited mission of this power and duty should, I think, be steadfastly resisted, to the end that the lesson should be constantly enforced that, though the people support the government, the government should not support the people. The friendliness and charity of our countrymen can always be relied upon to relieve their fellow-citizens in misfortune. This has been repeatedly and quite lately demonstrated. Federal aid in such cases encourages the expectation of paternal care on the part of the government and weakens the sturdiness of our national character, while it prevents the indulgence among our people of that kindly sentiment and conduct which strengthens the bonds of a common brotherhood.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 03:07 PM
Grover Cleveland. Except in a few spots. But that is how it always goes. Anyone who doesn't hold issue with at least a few positions of any seated President, isn't doing enough research IMO.
The house next door to my buildig was a former residence of Mr. Grover Cleveland in his yoot. allegedly.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:55 AM
every time i see this thread i think of this song 
In 1844, the Democrats were split
The three nominees for the presidential candidate
Were Martin Van Buren, a former president and an abolitionist
James Buchanan, a moderate
Louis Cass, a general and expansionist
From Nashville came a dark horse riding up
He was James K. Polk, Napoleon of the Stump
Austere, severe, he held few people dear
His oratory filled his foes with fear
The factions soon agreed
He's just the man we need
To bring about victory
Fulfill our manifest destiny
And annex the land the Mexicans command
And when the votes were cast the winner was
Mister James K. Polk, Napoleon of the Stump
In four short years he met his every goal
He seized the whole southwest from Mexico
Made sure the tarriffs fell
And made the English sell the Oregon territory
He built an independent treasury
Having done all this he sought no second term
But precious few have mourned the passing of
Mister James K. Polk, our eleventh president
Young Hickory, Napoleon of the Stump
In 1844, the Democrats were split
The three nominees for the presidential candidate
Were Martin Van Buren, a former president and an abolitionist
James Buchanan, a moderate
Louis Cass, a general and expansionist
From Nashville came a dark horse riding up
He was James K. Polk, Napoleon of the Stump
Austere, severe, he held few people dear
His oratory filled his foes with fear
The factions soon agreed
He's just the man we need
To bring about victory
Fulfill our manifest destiny
And annex the land the Mexicans command
And when the votes were cast the winner was
Mister James K. Polk, Napoleon of the Stump
In four short years he met his every goal
He seized the whole southwest from Mexico
Made sure the tarriffs fell
And made the English sell the Oregon territory
He built an independent treasury
Having done all this he sought no second term
But precious few have mourned the passing of
Mister James K. Polk, our eleventh president
Young Hickory, Napoleon of the Stump
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:35 AM
The thing I didn't understand in this movie is the Republicans are socially Liberal and the Democrats conservative. I tried reading up on this on the internet but couldn't find much rational explanation for how the parties basically have now completely swapped ideals.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:56 AM
The thing I didn't understand in this movie is the Republicans are socially Liberal and the Democrats conservative. I tried reading up on this on the internet but couldn't find much rational explanation for how the parties basically have now completely swapped ideals.
Might have to go to the library for that...I think it was numerous party name changes until we got what we got now.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:03 AM
The thing I didn't understand in this movie is the Republicans are socially Liberal and the Democrats conservative. I tried reading up on this on the internet but couldn't find much rational explanation for how the parties basically have now completely swapped ideals.
You have to read the history of the political parties, but what you are saying is true. It has more to do with name-changes I believe more than anything. The slave owning mentality of people from the old south (Democratic-Republicans) still want limited government so they can run their factories and plantations as they feel fit without "interference" (modern day Repubs), and then there are those of us who are more liberal minded and not opposed to a bigger government (like the Federalists) to regulate business practices and expand civil rights (modern day Dems).
A rose by any other name still makes me sneeze. Labels are misleading.
In other words, if Lincoln were alive today, he'd be a Democrat and not a Republican given he chose to belong to the party that most closely matched his ideals without starting a new one or anything.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:55 PM
I'm not here to dumb it down for you, baller.
Right...you're here to make everyone think you're intellectually superior to them.
It's an ugly personality trait, baller.
Try forming your thoughts without insulting someone. You'll get more positive results, prolly.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:40 PM
SLYGSAASISOI
Like I said, you can read about the Third Party System of the late 1800s to get a better view of the political climate.
I did form my own thoughts. I also made suggestions. I never implied intellectually superiority except with derp. But that isn't hard to do here.
I suppose you have no thoughts on Lincoln. Only to point out what you perceive as my intentions for posting. It's an ugly trait, baller. it's lazy, and you should prolly work on that. Prolly.
