regardless of who you support, please exercise your right to vote. basic civics 101.
thank you for participating.
PLEASE VOTE!!
Started by
insolent cur
, Nov 06 2012 12:02 PM
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#7
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 12:45 PM
imho, voting = bitching rights
if you dont vote, i dont wanna hear you bitching!
Love you lady, but...
"I have solved this political dilemma in a very direct way: I don't vote. On Election Day, I stay home. I firmly believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain. Now, some people like to twist that around. They say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain,' but where's the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote -- who did not even leave the house on Election Day -- am in no way responsible for that these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess that you created." - George Carlin
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 01:11 PM
Love you lady, but...
"I have solved this political dilemma in a very direct way: I don't vote. On Election Day, I stay home. I firmly believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain. Now, some people like to twist that around. They say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain,' but where's the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote -- who did not even leave the house on Election Day -- am in no way responsible for that these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess that you created." - George Carlin
George Carlin was smarter than anyone on those polls.
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 01:33 PM
I'm with you Tim.
Tired of arguing the point though. If it makes folks feel better about everything, go for it.
Thats not how it makes me feel though.
Kind of like how do you like your pain? The way it is now, long and drawn out, but at least most of it will be pushed off on our kid's kids. Or quick and to the point, like the republicams want it, probably marching us right off that fiscal cliff as fast as can be.
I was going to throw my vote away again on a 3rd party, but I'm not sure all of the alternative ideas will make us any better off, plus they scare me as I don't see any of them as leaders.
Which brings me to why I will write in my vote this year....for our own Republican Governor, Chris Christie, or CC as we call him at my house. To me he has risen above in this whole Sandy mess, shown himself as a true leader, and has done it without playing any partisan bullshit.
By the way, besides Obama briefly touching down up here, then leaving to campaign away in the Ohio, Virginia, etc. How has either candidate actually addressed us? Given us any sort of hope that they care. Shit, I don't even think Romney knows whats happened up here.
Good luck with your choice everyone. Remember what you are all saying, you can't complain once you cast your vote. I'm going to remind you
Tired of arguing the point though. If it makes folks feel better about everything, go for it.
Thats not how it makes me feel though.
Kind of like how do you like your pain? The way it is now, long and drawn out, but at least most of it will be pushed off on our kid's kids. Or quick and to the point, like the republicams want it, probably marching us right off that fiscal cliff as fast as can be.
I was going to throw my vote away again on a 3rd party, but I'm not sure all of the alternative ideas will make us any better off, plus they scare me as I don't see any of them as leaders.
Which brings me to why I will write in my vote this year....for our own Republican Governor, Chris Christie, or CC as we call him at my house. To me he has risen above in this whole Sandy mess, shown himself as a true leader, and has done it without playing any partisan bullshit.
By the way, besides Obama briefly touching down up here, then leaving to campaign away in the Ohio, Virginia, etc. How has either candidate actually addressed us? Given us any sort of hope that they care. Shit, I don't even think Romney knows whats happened up here.
Good luck with your choice everyone. Remember what you are all saying, you can't complain once you cast your vote. I'm going to remind you
#13
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:00 PM
Voting third party is NOT a throw away! Any candidate who gets at least 5% of the national vote is entitled to federal campaign funds, just like the big party candidates. Voting third party is voting for more choices and inclusion in the future!!!!!
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:04 PM
Voting third party is NOT a throw away! Any candidate who gets at least 5% of the national vote is entitled to federal campaign funds, just like the big party candidates. Voting third party is voting for more choices and inclusion in the future!!!!!
that was in '92. I believe they changed that rule after Ross Perot
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VibeGuide
Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:08 PM
to anyone who thinks these two candidates are the same, i have two words: supreme court. it may be the most important, yet most overlooked issue in this presidential race. regardless...VOTE and exercise your hard fought right!
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:12 PM
to anyone who thinks these two candidates are the same, i have two words: supreme court. it may be the most important, yet most overlooked issue in this presidential race. regardless...VOTE and exercise your hard fought right!
It's been said one of them wants to take away our rights, it's already been shown the other one will take away our rights
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:14 PM
I'll be voting because it's worth voting for state candidates and on some local issues.
If I were only voting for Pres. I prolly wouldn't bother going. But since I'm there, I'll be voting 3rd party.
The "you have no right to complain" argument is so tired. Thanks for posting the Carlin quote, Tim. Because, it seems to me, those who keep this corrupt system alive and well with their vote for edit "evil" or "less evil" are perpetuating the problems the rest of us are complaining about.
Go vote for Goldman Sachs, the continued erosion of yer rights, continued increase of anti-Americanism around the world, and the killing of innocence around the world.
And be sure to wear your cute sticker to show you did.
If I were only voting for Pres. I prolly wouldn't bother going. But since I'm there, I'll be voting 3rd party.
The "you have no right to complain" argument is so tired. Thanks for posting the Carlin quote, Tim. Because, it seems to me, those who keep this corrupt system alive and well with their vote for edit "evil" or "less evil" are perpetuating the problems the rest of us are complaining about.
Go vote for Goldman Sachs, the continued erosion of yer rights, continued increase of anti-Americanism around the world, and the killing of innocence around the world.
And be sure to wear your cute sticker to show you did.
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:16 PM
that was in '92. I believe they changed that rule after Ross Perot
No, they did not. Google it.
http://www.fec.gov/p...kgnd/fund.shtml
Since no third party candidate received 5% of the vote in 2008, only the Republican and Democratic parties are eligible for 2012 convention grants, and only their nominees may receive grants for the general election when they are nominated. Third-party candidates could qualify for retroactive public funds if they receive 5% or more of the vote in the general election.
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VibeGuide
Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:17 PM
I'll be voting because it's worth voting for state candidates and on some local issues.
If I were only voting for Pres. I prolly wouldn't bother going. But since I'm there, I'll be voting 3rd party.
The "you have no right to complain" argument is so tired. Thanks for posting the Carlin quote, Tim. Because, it seems to me, those who keep this corrupt system alive and well with their vote for dumb or dumber are perpetuating the problems the rest of us are complaining about.
Go vote for Goldman Sachs, the continued erosion of yer rights, continued increase of anti-Americanism around the world, and the killing of thousands around the world.
And be sure to wear your cute sticker to show you did.
i voted for obama and am wearing my sticker...though i thank you for disparaging and pigeon holing my opinion in the most unfavorable light.
to anyone who thinks these two candidates are the same, i have two words: supreme court. it may be the most important, yet most overlooked issue in this presidential race. regardless...VOTE and exercise your hard fought right!
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:26 PM
i voted for obama and am wearing my sticker...though i thank you for disparaging and pigeon holing my opinion into the least favorable and least objective slot.
to anyone who thinks these two candidates are the same, i have two words: supreme court. it may be the most important, yet most overlooked issue in this presidential race. regardless...VOTE and exercise your hard fought right!
Been round and round on this issue in P&R (where I imagine this thread will be heading shortly). Sorry, Cur, just a frustrated response to the "wasting your vote" and "no right to complain" arguments. I could have worded it more thoughtfully.
edit: feeling less thoughtful in my responses to issue of politics as of late, so I'll bow out of discussion.
happy voting or not voting everyone.
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:31 PM
what rights has the current administration taken away by supreme court decision?
Posse Comitatus and Habeas corpus by signing NDAA 2012 and then fighting a court ruling to have the provisions in question of this bill removed and considered unconstitutional.
http://rt.com/usa/ne...ffs-hedges-143/
#31
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:32 PM
i'm voting. not gonna get all uppity and preachy about my beliefs on voting or who i'm voting for. those beliefs are my own and i don't need to waste any energy convincing others they're right in order to feel as though they're justified.
happy do whatever you feel is necessary day.
happy do whatever you feel is necessary day.
#33
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:40 PM
I really hope you were kidding there, TEO. Moving threads turned this board from a large, viable, interesting community into the vast wasteland of innanity all 20 of us read on a daily basis.
Taking anything remotely interesting and shuffling it off to a corner where it won't be read isn't the answer.
Taking anything remotely interesting and shuffling it off to a corner where it won't be read isn't the answer.
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He saw the spinning lights he knew it was a sign....
Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:40 PM
regardless of who you support, please exercise your right to vote. basic civics 101.
thank you for participating.
For those that want a different option, Gary Johnson and Jill Stein are on the ballot in most states....
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He saw the spinning lights he knew it was a sign....
Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:43 PM
I really hope you were kidding there, TEO. Moving threads turned this board from a large, viable, interesting community into the vast wasteland of innanity all 20 of us read on a daily basis.
Taking anything remotely interesting and shuffling it off to a corner where it won't be read isn't the answer.
Yeah, I'm kind of sick of having the P&R board dominated by two people bickering. Haven't even bothered recently....Let this thread stay.....
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VibeGuide
Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:45 PM
I really hope you were kidding there, TEO. Moving threads turned this board from a large, viable, interesting community into the vast wasteland of innanity all 20 of us read on a daily basis.
Taking anything remotely interesting and shuffling it off to a corner where it won't be read isn't the answer.
Because some people's wrists cannot scroll further? Really I am kidding today, however your argument does not hold water in the grand scheme. Oh, I care, but do not care enough to scroll and click in other than one forum. That is like going to Vibes and never leaving your car.
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:48 PM
Piles of junk mail, incessant ludicrous phone calls, vicious attacks ads, TV commercials laced with half truths, distortions and outright falsehoods, plans and agendas with no specifics and obscene amounts of money spent to get the "Message" out. The Right to Vote is Sacred but the process has become a joke.
As the Middle Class reverts to the status of indentured servitude the time has come to DEMAND BETTER!
As the Middle Class reverts to the status of indentured servitude the time has come to DEMAND BETTER!
#46
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:48 PM
Because some people's wrists cannot scroll further? Really I am kidding today, however your argument does not hold water in the grand scheme. Oh, I care, but do not care enough to scroll and click in other than one forum. That is like going to Vibes and never leaving your car.
Some people are just lazy, TEO. and some just like to complain
#48
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VibeGuide
Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:56 PM
Obama Tax, a mandated purchase of insurance or a tax penalty for noncompliance. The right to choose was removed.
you already pay a larger "tax" by covering uninsured people who use emergency rooms. besides...that position is one most libertarians such as yourself, believe to be the case with most, if not all, taxes.
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 03:00 PM
Yeah, I'm kind of sick of having the P&R board dominated by two people bickering. Haven't even bothered recently....Let this thread stay.....
p&r moving holiday today until the cali polls close. then i'll move all the political threads to p&r.
