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[concert andy]

2:28AM EST October 7. 2012 - Unless somebody in Michael Vick's house has an interesting palate, it appears the Philadelphia Eagles quarterback is back in the dog-owning business.

Vick posted a Twitter picture Thursday night of himself and his daughter hard at work at the kitchen table. Dad was looking at game film on an iPad. Daughter appears to be doing some homework. And sitting on the table, in plain view, is a box of opened Milk-Bone dog biscuits. (It's next to a pink folder with puppies on it.)

It's not hard to connect the dots from there.

The picture was quickly deleted and replaced by a similar, biscuit-less one, showing Vick has enough sense to realize his dog ownership is a matter that's best left private (for now at least). Luckily, the good folks at Crossing Broad caught the first tweet and saved the picture. (We added the arrow.)

Vick was not allowed to own a dog under the terms of his probation. That three-year sentence ended in July, freeing him to own an animal.

The fact that he evidently took advantage of this surely won't sit well with some people; I'm not one of them. Vick paid his debt and is rehabilitated in the eyes of the court, and that's good enough for me. Where would the "he should never own a dog" faction like it to end? Restraining orders from PetSmart? An electronic tracking bracelet that alerts authorities any time he walks past a dog park? A V-chip that prevents him from watching Animal Planet?

What bothers me most is the negligence of leaving that box on the table. Someone went to the trouble of blurring the screen of Vick's video playbook but couldn't slide the biscuits six inches to the right? That's terrible Twit-planning -- unless this is some sort of brilliant viral marketing by Milk-Bone, in which case, I doff my cap.

[elder]

Are you saying that you don't believe a cold blooded animal abuser and killer could turn his beliefs and morals around enough to care for a puppy?
But he did TIME! And he was FINED!

Those two things rehabiltate people into being better citizens, didn't ya know?!

[Ravn]

meh.

I say strip him naked, smear him down with raw hamburger, tie him to a "rape rack" and let a bunch of starved pitties into the room

and then when they are done with him, hook him to a car battery and then drown him.

[concert andy]

I am ok with it, but I live in Philly and that is all anyone wants to talk about.

Not sure it hit nationally yet.

People either are up in arms, or say it is his private life and leave him alone.

The problem is he tweeted the picture so it becomes news, and when asked about the pic, he said lets talk football and I am not answering the question.

[capt_morgan]

shouldnt he be fumbling the football, throwing an interception, or breaking a rib somewhere?

[Jwheelz]

nice to see that you're advocating the torture and murder of a human being... I understand that what he did and what his dog fighting ring was responsible for is despicable, but it smacks of hypocrisy to say something like that...

[Ravn]

sorry

I had a dog that was used as a "bait dog" for these thugs, I saw what she looked like when she was saved.

the penalties are too lean, and thanks to these asshole gangster thugs, things like BSL 's and mass hysteria are taking over, leading to the deaths of innocent family pets.

And yannow, I was being figurative, but I wouldn't shed any tears over that piece of human waste if he was attacked by a dog he was abusing (or any of the other assholes)

it just pisses me off to see those animals done like that and then "eh, **smack on hand** don't do it again" as the punishment

[Ravn]

then again, I also think that pedophiles, child molesters and rapists should be double tapped and dropped in a hole.

[cassady]

i too believe in rehab for time served. but, time served IS the issue here. he's a prime example of animal cruelty laws gone wrong. that shit just disgusts me.

[Jwheelz]

I didn't mean to be so aggressive Ravn, I figured there was a personal connection after I posted what I posted...

[Jwheelz]

sorry

I had a dog that was used as a "bait dog" for these thugs, I saw what she looked like when she was saved.

the penalties are too lean, and thanks to these asshole gangster thugs, things like BSL 's and mass hysteria are taking over, leading to the deaths of innocent family pets.

And yannow, I was being figurative, but I wouldn't shed any tears over that piece of human waste if he was attacked by a dog he was abusing (or any of the other assholes)

it just pisses me off to see those animals done like that and then "eh, **smack on hand** don't do it again" as the punishment

I definitely agree that torturing and murdering another living creature for sport basically should be treated far more seriously by our legal system, it's really not much of a leap for someone who has no regard or respect for the life of dogs to treat humans the same way, but I do get the sense that Vick truly does see things differently now... maybe that's not a fair assumption for me to make though without any evidence

[Tim the Beek]

Vick paid his debt and is rehabilitated in the eyes of the court, and that's good enough for me.

It isn't good enough for me, but it's the best the system we have can do...

[Jwheelz]

then again, I also think that pedophiles, child molesters and rapists should be double tapped and dropped in a hole.

now that I can get behind... but no torture? If anyone deserves it... just sayin



EDIT: Okay this thread is bringing out a very evil side of me, I have to stop

[Tim the Beek]

EDIT: Okay this thread is bringing out a very evil side of me, I have to stop

always kinda figured you for a bad seed.

[Ravn]

it's always the cute ones with babyfaces,,,lol

[Java Time]

the guy did his time...did more time than other NFL'rs got for killing humans.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and state I highly doubt the dog he has in his house is a bait dog or killer dog in training.

it's evidently for the kid...

[KittyRocks]

im with ravn.. hurt an innocent be it animal or child and you deserve the worst

[cheeseweasel]

He is not rehabilitated and I dont care that he "served his time in jail".
The simple fact remains that he took pleasure in finding various ways to torture and kill dogs. He is a psychopath who shouldnt be playing football, raising children or owning animals. He should be locked in a mental ward and studied to learn how people can be like this.
You cant pay a fine and have it produce a basic process of thought that keeps human beings from acting like rabid apes. Michael Vick's brain is broken.
Defending him shows a remarkable lack of empathy for the animals, or understanding of the facts.
This man is a serial killer who's victims happened to be dogs.

[Royal]

Eli: "Yep, your fingers really look bruised. Good thing you dont have a ring".

[KtotheP]

I could totally give a crap if he has a dog or not. The piece of crap is getting paid a ton of dough to dive head first for first downs and be a turnover machine.

He is a complete disaster on and off the football field and the sooner he disappears, the better.

He shouldn't be allowed to play pro football for a living nor should he be allowed the luxury of a pet goldfish, let alone a dog.

[James420]

He is not rehabilitated and I dont care that he "served his time in jail".
The simple fact remains that he took pleasure in finding various ways to torture and kill dogs. He is a psychopath who shouldnt be playing football, raising children or owning animals. He should be locked in a mental ward and studied to learn how people can be like this.
You cant pay a fine and have it produce a basic process of thought that keeps human beings from acting like rabid apes. Michael Vick's brain is broken.
Defending him shows a remarkable lack of empathy for the animals, or understanding of the facts.
This man is a serial killer who's victims happened to be dogs.

wow. seems like you dont understant the facts, maybe youre brain is broken. youre stating facts you could not possibly know and are most likely wrong. He did not just pay a fine, he was the target of this whole country. He's spent 3 years commited to speaking for animal rights. From all accounts he has been rehabilitated. He grew up in a culture where this was accepted. He followed some horrible influences. What he did was unspeakably wrong, but to think he couldnt learn and change, youre way off. And now he has a dog, most likely which is his little girl's. Him owing a dog is a far cry from organizing a dog fighting ring, it's really ridiculous to compare the two.

[cheeseweasel]

So you find nothing wrong with someone who electrocutes, hangs or performed other forms of turture on the dogs? What psychologist reports have you read that claims he no longer retains the psychotic elements of his personality that allowed for him to kill these animals without care?
I guess we should just let pedos work in day care too. Or serial rapist to work in gynocology offices? Do you honestly believe that this is just because of where he grew up and that there isnt something fundamentally wrong with a person who tortures animals for pleasure?

Guess we wont see eye to eye on this. Sorry.

[James420]

Yea, seems like you have a comprehension problem because I certainly didnt say that. So as long as you cant understand what I write, we will not be seeing eye to eye on it. I didnt say he was or wasnt rehabilitated. you did. I said, by all accounts he was. I didnt read any psychologicial reports, I read what things have been written about him over the past few years from people who spoke to him. Here's one example from someone who writes a lot better than i do, maybe you can understand these words.

...However, the way Vick has conducted himself since his incarceration affords him the right to give the answer he gave and to direct the conversation back to football. If you believe that the goal of the criminal justice system is to rehabilitate people who commit crimes and to send them back out into the world as productive citizens, then Vick is a prime example. He did his time. He adhered to the terms of his parole. He has been active as a community speaker with regard to animal cruelty as well as assorted issues facing trouble youth. Everyone from his sentencing judge to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell imposed a litany of requirements for Vick to meet after he got out of prison, and he has met them all. The behavior that landed him in prison was unconscionable and inexcusable, but without a time machine he can't go back and undo it. All he can do is conduct himself the way he has since his release -- which is to say more or less flawlessly.

If the terms of his parole say he can now own a dog, and he wants his children to have a dog, I think he should be able to own a dog. I don't believe for a second, after all he's gone through, that there's even an 0.00000001 percent chance that Vick would ever harm a dog again. This is a man who has clearly learned his lessons, and if he's done what's required of him as a result of his crimes, he should be allowed to live his life as he pleases. That's my opinion, though I know many will disagree.

[cheeseweasel]

Because its just a dog, right?

[James420]

Do you honestly believe that this is just because of where he grew up and that there isnt something fundamentally wrong with a person who tortures animals for pleasure?

Yes. Dogfighting is a lot more commonplace in poor, black communities then it is where I grew up. Although I have come across people who do it here in NYC. It is accepted in many communites, like cockfighting is. All across this counrtry, they pretty much torture baby cows to make veal. It's all about where you draw the line. And I believe if you can learn and change when drawing that line. If you're going to throw out lines like "he took pleasure..." and
"tortures animal for pleasure." it shows youre just making shit up. No where, nobody said this was about pleasure. It was always about money.

[cheeseweasel]

Look I dont want to argue with you.
Good vibes you know?
I just believe that if it was not something he got a kick out of, he wouldnt do it. Killing a dog because it fails to fight is one thing. I'd actually feel less animosity if he'd just shot them in the head like most dog fighters do. But he didn't. He participated in acts that tortured them through means of slow or painful death. That, at least to mean, screams loudly of a serious personality disorder, and perhaps animal ownership should not be permitted.
Even if I am totally wrong, allowing him to own a dog is just in piss poor taste.
Can we still be cool board mates?

[china cat]

Yes. Dogfighting is a lot more commonplace in poor, black communities then it is where I grew up. Although I have come across people who do it here in NYC. It is accepted in many communites, like cockfighting is. All across this counrtry, they pretty much torture baby cows to make veal. It's all about where you draw the line. And I believe if you can learn and change when drawing that line. If you're going to throw out lines like "he took pleasure..." and
"tortures animal for pleasure." it shows youre just making shit up. No where, nobody said this was about pleasure. It was always about money.

true.

should those who torture cows, pigs, and chickens with slow, painful deaths be allowed to have dogs as pets? should they go to jail for the cruelty they inflict? or should we just keep supplyin them a paycheck and askin 'em to keep up the good work

[James420]

I just believe that if it was not something he got a kick out of, he wouldnt do it.

I do plenty of things I dont get a kick out of to make money or help friends make money. I think most people do.

[cheeseweasel]

I have never done something illegal I didnt enjoy to help someone make money and know of nobody who has, other than you I guess (if what you have done is illegal).

I cant even imagine a scenario in which I would.

[alsoa]

He did his bit. Fuck, let it go. Dog fighting is still happening.

[cheeseweasel]

He did his bit. Fuck, let it go. Dog fighting is still happening.

I know. My dog was a victim of a fighting dog that got loose from its house while we walked her one day. Happily she survived the attack. But the only thing that happened was a fine for the attacking dog failing to have a rabies tag. The clincher? When the cop arrived, the man had already taken the attacking dog in the house and presented the cop with a completely different, smaller dog of a different breed. We informed the cop of this, and after having a laugh filled conversation I couldnt understand with the dog's owner (since both the owner and cop were Hispanic), the cop came back and assured us that was the only dog in the home and that he would fine him for no rabies tag. So obviously some cops dont care since some neighbors who came out to help or just be nosy informed us that he had several dogs and fought them. He got a small fine while my dog was near death and needed $1000 in vet care.
So my opinion on this may be biased. I must concede that.

[Java Time]

Yes. Dogfighting is a lot more commonplace in poor, black communities then it is where I grew up. Although I have come across people who do it here in NYC. It is accepted in many communites, like cockfighting is. All across this counrtry, they pretty much torture baby cows to make veal. It's all about where you draw the line. And I believe if you can learn and change when drawing that line. If you're going to throw out lines like "he took pleasure..." and
"tortures animal for pleasure." it shows youre just making shit up. No where, nobody said this was about pleasure. It was always about money.

Look I dont want to argue with you.
Good vibes you know?
I just believe that if it was not something he got a kick out of, he wouldnt do it. Killing a dog because it fails to fight is one thing. I'd actually feel less animosity if he'd just shot them in the head like most dog fighters do. But he didn't. He participated in acts that tortured them through means of slow or painful death. That, at least to mean, screams loudly of a serious personality disorder, and perhaps animal ownership should not be permitted.
Even if I am totally wrong, allowing him to own a dog is just in piss poor taste.
Can we still be cool board mates?

crap...now just look what you two did...Look!
now she's here...bravo,bravo :clappingsarcastically:

true.

should those who torture cows, pigs, and chickens with slow, painful deaths be allowed to have dogs as pets? should they go to jail for the cruelty they inflict? or should we just keep supplyin them a paycheck and askin 'em to keep up the good work

oh...China...didn't expect you here

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just kidding







just kidding again

[insolent cur]

dude did his time and satisfied the legal costs of his actions. do you think prison changed his outlook on animal cruelty? does that make him a better person worthy of the unconditional love of a dog? i don't think so, but that's just my opinion. legal penalties rarely negate or change the moral deficit reflected by those actions which got him imprisoned.

[concert andy]

dude did his time and satisfied the legal costs of his actions. do you think prison changed his outlook on animal cruelty? does that make him a better person worthy of the unconditional love of a dog? i don't think so, but that's just my opinion. legal penalties rarely negate or change the moral deficit reflected by those actions which got him imprisoned.

When he first started playing, someone asked him if he would ever get a dog. He said, if he did it would be for his kids because they are always asking him for a dog.

Three years later he gave in to his kids wishes. His kids will love the dog unconditionally.

[James420]

dude did his time and satisfied the legal costs of his actions. do you think prison changed his outlook on animal cruelty? does that make him a better person worthy of the unconditional love of a dog? i don't think so, but that's just my opinion. legal penalties rarely negate or change the moral deficit reflected by those actions which got him imprisoned.

true, but he has a bit more than legal penalties (although his financial punishment was in the millions), he was the scorn of this society. A national villan. I think this could absolutely change his outlook on animal cruelty. Since then he was worked to stop animal cruelty and even the President of the Humane Society feels he is a changed man.

[insolent cur]

true, but he has a bit more than legal penalties (although his financial punishment was in the millions), he was the scorn of this society. A national villan. I think this could absolutely change his outlook on animal cruelty. Since then he was worked to stop animal cruelty and even the President of the Humane Society feels he is a changed man.
http://www.youtube.c...d&v=KN4kRAEo-iE

i'll believe he's changed when he voluntarily sacrifices something important to him to prove he's taking the moral high ground. specifically, with his 100 million dollar contract, substantially funding some no kill animal shelters in philly.

[James420]

It may not seem like a lot with his recent contract extension, but he gave $1 million to the Animal Hospital Foundation of America and that is still pretty substantial. His salary was $3.5 million over the past 2 years, and before he signed that and came back in the league he was bankrupt and working construction to pay back his fees. He only signed that huge contract a few weeks ago.

[Mind Left Body]

I'm going to throw this in there for arguments sake.......

Would let a sexual abuser adopt a child or have children?

[Java Time]

dude did his time and satisfied the legal costs of his actions. do you think prison changed his outlook on animal cruelty? does that make him a better person worthy of the unconditional love of a dog? i don't think so, but that's just my opinion. legal penalties rarely negate or change the moral deficit reflected by those actions which got him imprisoned.

I understand your opinion...but with that line of thinking:

people who have had a DWI should never drive again?

Someone who shop-lifted should never be permitted to shop in stores anymore?

I understand how we love our animals...but a bunch of you folks our up in arms about Vick killing dogs which really is only hearsay he was invovled with dog fighting and everything entailed with such but...

lots of folks here don't seem to be bothered that a fellow NFL'r killed a human being when drunk and was reinstated to play in the NFL...not bothered at all.

[insolent cur]

It may not seem like a lot with his recent contract extension, but he gave $1 million to the Animal Hospital Foundation of America and that is still pretty substantial. His salary was $3.5 million over the past 2 years, and before he signed that and came back in the league he was bankrupt and working construction to pay back his fees. He only signed that huge contract a few weeks ago.

not according to espn.

http://espn.go.com/n...x-year-contract

[insolent cur]

I understand your opinion...but with that line of thinking:

people who have had a DWI should never drive again?

Someone who shop-lifted should never be permitted to shop in stores anymore?

I understand how we love our animals...but a bunch of you folks our up in arms about Vick killing dogs which really is only hearsay he was invovled with dog fighting and everything entailed with such but...

lots of folks here don't seem to be bothered that a fellow NFL'r killed a human being when drunk and was reinstated to play in the NFL...not bothered at all.

where did i say he shouldn't play professional football or be paid to do the same?

[Java Time]

where did i say he shouldn't play professional football or be paid to do the same?

you didn't...others did...I just used your last post as a platform for my opinion ...you clearly stated your statement was opinion and I respect that.

I'm just not getting how we can't forgive this man for his actions, however cruel...but we seem to be able to forgive or not care that we have people who've killed people in his sport (also a few rapes) and allowed to play again and it doesn't seem to bother anyone.

I haven't seen a thread here showing Donte Stallworth in a car and people disgusted that he is still allowed to drive and was actually reinstated to play in the NFL...and if there was a thread, it certainly didn't have the attention this thread has.

[James420]

not according to espn.

http://espn.go.com/n...x-year-contract

my mistake, it's been a year. i read the wrong date on the link I saw. So your link says he's guaranteed $40 million. In the NFL, you have to look at the guaranteed money and not the total value of his contract. With his injury history and performance of late, he's not making that $100 million. And he still owes $19 million to creditors. While that link says all of that money might not be repaid if he doesnt get $130 million, i'm sure some of it has to be.

Still, since he's been released he's made signficant actions and donations to prevent animal cruelty. And really, if you cant take the word of the President of the Humane Society, I dont think anything will ever really change your mind. I've never met Michael Vick, but I'm willing to take the word of prominent animal lovers who have.

[insolent cur]

my mistake, it's been a year. i read the wrong date on the link I saw. So your link says he's guaranteed $40 million. In the NFL, you have to look at the guaranteed money and not the total value of his contract. With his injury history and performance of late, he's not making that $100 million. And he still owes $19 million to creditors. While that link says all of that money might not be repaid if he doesnt get $130 million, i'm sure some of it has to be.

Still, since he's been released he's made signficant actions and donations to prevent animal cruelty. And really, if you cant take the word of the President of the Humane Society, I dont think anything will ever really change your mind. I've never met Michael Vick, but I'm willing to take the word of prominent animal lovers who have.

i guess my question would be...what has he done on his own accord? that which was not directed by either a judge or his counsel. what steps has he taken, on his own, to demonstrate his remorse; make amends and reflect he has changed his perspective? and you are absolutely correct, james...the opinion of the president of the humane society is of no moment to me, but vick's own voluntary actions do carry weight.

[cheeseweasel]

I, for one, am just as disgusted by any violent criminal who is offered multi million dollar contracts to play a game. Hell, I am disgusted that is offered to anyone for that matter.

It is just that this thread is about Vick, hence he is the one we are concerned with at the moment.

[reba]

Michael Vick did more then finance dog fighting. He hung dogs in the trees to kill them and when they didn't die he drown them in buckets. One dog wouldn't die without fighting so him and his cousin took hold of the dogs legs one holding the front the on the the back legs and swing him like a jump rope. Slammed him to the ground over and over and over again until he died.
I do not think he deserves to have a dog.
I'm also tired of hearing the "we grew up in that culture" argument. It isn't in any ones culture to do that.

[Ravn]

My Mom: Well, since it's Vick it will end in a turn over

[Ravn]

what Reba said.

[concert andy]

http://espn.go.com/n...again-dog-owner

PHILADELPHIA -- Michael Vick is a dog owner again.
Vick, who served 18 months in federal prison on dogfighting charges, confirmed Thursday that his family has a dog. The Philadelphia Eagles' four-time Pro Bowl quarterback refused to discuss the topic just a day earlier.




"I understand the strong emotions by some people about our family's decision to care for a pet," Vick said in a statement. "As a father, it is important to make sure my children develop a healthy relationship with animals. I want to ensure that my children establish a loving bond and treat all of God's creatures with kindness and respect. Our pet is well cared for and loved as a member of our family."

Since his release from prison in 2009, Vick has worked with The Humane Society of the United States to speak out against animal cruelty. He's made appearances at schools and spoken to students about the dangers of being involved in dogfighting. Vick says that commitment will continue.

"This is an opportunity to break the cycle," Vick said. "To that end, I will continue to honor my commitment to animal welfare and be an instrument of positive change."

The Humane Society declined to comment.

Vick was banned from owning a dog until completing his probation period. When he first stated his desire to own one, it touched off a firestorm. Some animal-rights activists were outraged along with fans who thought the star player should never be allowed to have a dog.

"I'm not a psychopath. I'm not crazy. I'm a human being," Vick once told The Associated Press about wanting to own a dog. "What happened in my past and what I did in the culture I grew up in doesn't shape and mold me as the person I am now."

[jme]

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