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#101 concert andy

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:10 PM

And you're still making the claim that a Romney appointment means we're fucked. I say that's already the case.


Well you are definitely a person who thinks we are F'd no matter what happens so that statement is nothing new.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:14 PM

To be honest mine and my wife's best bet at survival would be Obama over Romney because of the industries we are in.


That's probably the case for most people unless you manage a hedge fund or make a living by outsourcing labor to other countries.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:19 PM

devils advocate:

I would trust someone with all daughters that claims to support women's then someone with all sons that claims to not support women's right to choose.

Has he said he doesn't support a woman's right to choose? It's tough to tell where he stands at any given time :lol:

#104 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:23 PM

Well you are definitely a person who thinks we are F'd no matter what happens so that statement is nothing new.


Well, that again, doesn't explain your position that with a romney appointment "we're all fucked in the A".

Which was the whole point. We're already watching erosion after erosion after erosion of our system and principles. So by the logic that we're all fucked, then we already are. It's not like we're currently in wonderful standing and Romney is going to fuck us.


Just seems like more deflection at me rather than provide a reason for the initial statement. :dunno:

#105 Tim the Beek

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 08:25 PM

Romney puts in a GOPer and we are all F'd in the A.


A little late to the party here, but we're already being F'd in the A over and over again. See Raich, Kelo and Citizens United for starters.

#106 concert andy

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 08:38 PM

Well, that again, doesn't explain your position that with a romney appointment "we're all fucked in the A".

Which was the whole point. We're already watching erosion after erosion after erosion of our system and principles. So by the logic that we're all fucked, then we already are. It's not like we're currently in wonderful standing and Romney is going to fuck us.


Just seems like more deflection at me rather than provide a reason for the initial statement. :dunno:


My point is if Romney wins, Ginsberg will retire and she cant hold on forever. He will appoint a conservative, and women will not be allowed to get abortions, and all hell will break loose. I do not look forward to this day.

You just think the sky is falling and nothing we do will matter.

With that said, why bother arguing points? Why bother trying to make me see your point of view. Why bother waking up tomorrow?

#107 concert andy

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 08:40 PM

A little late to the party here, but we're already being F'd in the A over and over again. See Raich, Kelo and Citizens United for starters.


But I can live with the ways the rules are now, with some tweaks hopefully can make every one equal and the supreme court should not lean one way or the other. They should be impartial and rule on the law, not their opinion.

But that is another argument.

#108 concert andy

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 08:42 PM

Has he said he doesn't support a woman's right to choose? It's tough to tell where he stands at any given time :lol:


And with a gun to your head, you choose a flip flopper who will say anything to get elected, against a man who actually cares what people think. He may not be the best at whatever, but he does care. Romney could care less about anyone other than his supporters.

#109 Tim the Beek

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 08:51 PM

But I can live with the ways the rules are now, with some tweaks hopefully can make every one equal and the supreme court should not lean one way or the other. They should be impartial and rule on the law, not their opinion.

But that is another argument.


Seein' as I kind of like being alive, I can live with the rules as they are. Just as I could if Roe were overturned. That doesn't mean the current court hasn't completely betrayed us, our country, and the oaths they've taken. Is all I'm sayin'. And since I view the current court that way, the notion that it may get worse if one candidate or the other is elected isn't enough to get me to vote for either of 'em.

One man's opinion...

#110 Joker

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:06 PM

And with a gun to your head, you choose a flip flopper who will say anything to get elected, against a man who actually cares what people think. He may not be the best at whatever, but he does care. Romney could care less about anyone other than his supporters.

I chose the flip-flopper over the known liar. If Obama really cared what people think why did he flat out lie to us over and over again? He had his chance and he's lied pretty much from day one. He actually DID say anything to get elected.

Your claim that Romney could care less about anyone but his supporters is pretty much nothing but speculation. You could be right, you could be wrong. I prefer to give the guy who hasn't lied to me and proved to be untrustworthy a chance.

#111 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:48 PM

My point is if Romney wins, Ginsberg will retire and she cant hold on forever. He will appoint a conservative, and women will not be allowed to get abortions, and all hell will break loose. I do not look forward to this day.

You just think the sky is falling and nothing we do will matter.

With that said, why bother arguing points? Why bother trying to make me see your point of view. Why bother waking up tomorrow?


Once again, the deflection at me. I never said the sky was falling. I never implied the sky is falling. You're hiding behind deflections of me if you can't address the points head on. You can "think" whatever you like about my position, I'm not here to convince you of anything. But you asserted that Romney would fuck us with his SCOTUS nomination and did not back that up. Then you turned it as a deflection to me as if I shouldn't bother prodding you because I "think the sky is falling".

It's terrible in debate and it makes you look silly, Andy.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:54 AM

I chose the flip-flopper over the known liar. If Obama really cared what people think why did he flat out lie to us over and over again? He had his chance and he's lied pretty much from day one. He actually DID say anything to get elected.

Your claim that Romney could care less about anyone but his supporters is pretty much nothing but speculation. You could be right, you could be wrong. I prefer to give the guy who hasn't lied to me and proved to be untrustworthy a chance.



That is fair.

But to play devils advocate, isn't that what we said about Bush when he ran against Kerry? Bush lied about getting us into 3 wars? Bush lied about this and that?

Trying to poke holes in that logic.

As for the Romney comment, my clain is substantiated by your comments about romney being a flip flopper:

Has he said he doesn't support a woman's right to choose? It's tough to tell where he stands at any given time :lol:


See the inconsistency?

#113 concert andy

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:56 AM

Once again, the deflection at me. I never said the sky was falling. I never implied the sky is falling. You're hiding behind deflections of me if you can't address the points head on. You can "think" whatever you like about my position, I'm not here to convince you of anything. But you asserted that Romney would fuck us with his SCOTUS nomination and did not back that up. Then you turned it as a deflection to me as if I shouldn't bother prodding you because I "think the sky is falling".

It's terrible in debate and it makes you look silly, Andy.


I addressed this in the other thread.

I fear a right wing supreme court, period. That is what could happen if Romney is elected.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 07:16 AM

I chose the flip-flopper over the known liar. If Obama really cared what people think why did he flat out lie to us over and over again? He had his chance and he's lied pretty much from day one. He actually DID say anything to get elected.

Your claim that Romney could care less about anyone but his supporters is pretty much nothing but speculation. You could be right, you could be wrong. I prefer to give the guy who hasn't lied to me and proved to be untrustworthy a chance.


Obamacare - done
Equal pay for equal work - done
Osama Bin Laden - done
GM still alive - done
stock market back above 12,000 - done
unemployment below 8% - done

how much more should he have been able to do with your obstructionist Republican friends blocking his efforts in congress at every possible chance?

#115 Joker

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 04:25 PM

That is fair.

But to play devils advocate, isn't that what we said about Bush when he ran against Kerry? Bush lied about getting us into 3 wars? Bush lied about this and that?

Trying to poke holes in that logic.

As for the Romney comment, my clain is substantiated by your comments about romney being a flip flopper:



See the inconsistency?

Yeah, Bush was a liar. I didn't vote for him either.

There's not a doubt in my mind Romney is a flip flopper, I didn't/wouldn't vote for him. Thought he sucked when he was Gov. here in Mass.

However, if you're going to say he doesn't care about his supporters because of it then you have to say the same thing about Obama too

#116 concert andy

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:14 PM

Yeah, Bush was a liar. I didn't vote for him either.

There's not a doubt in my mind Romney is a flip flopper, I didn't/wouldn't vote for him. Thought he sucked when he was Gov. here in Mass.

However, if you're going to say he doesn't care about his supporters because of it then you have to say the same thing about Obama too


Of course you can say the same thing about Obama, but this politics and nothing is cut and dry.

I do think Obama has tried to be more of a moderate instead of the socialist liberal the right paints him as, which is where he gets in trouble. He is trying to please everyone, but he cant and gets caught in the bickering of congress like pre teen siblings fighting.