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The Grateful Dead v. Phish -- similarities and differences


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#1 Dee2.0

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 10:45 PM

Hi friends! I'm writing a compare/contrast paper on The Grateful Dead and Phish, and I wanted to reach out and get your opinions on the matter. Clearly there are the basic musical differences, the different generations that they represent, etc. but I'm eager to hear your thoughts/views on how they are similar and how they are different. Please note that your commentary may be quoted in my paper, but if so it will be entirely anonymous. Thanks for sharing!

#2 Jambear

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 10:48 PM

They both bands but apples and oranges to me.

GD was an Americana, Blues Psycedelic, rock band with bluegrass roots and Phish is a modern jazz exploratory band.

The lights were cool for both and the Dead had better drugs. :smile:

#3 TEO

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 10:48 PM

The Dead hooked up with Robert Hunter. The Phish hooked up with The Dude of Life.

#4 Lemireacle

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:06 PM

The Dead hooked up with Robert Hunter. The Phish hooked up with The Dude of Life.


:facepalm:

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#5 TEO

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:14 PM

:grin:

#6 concert andy

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:18 PM

Have you ever noticed that both of these bands have a guy with a beard playing lead guitar.

:picardfp:

#7 In A Silent Way

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:21 PM

Both bands suppoet the stereotype of the ugly bass player.

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#8 gregoir

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:24 PM

This paper has been written by almost every stoner in college. Are you going to review the Electric Koolaid Acid test for your 1960's history class next?

#9 TEO

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:25 PM

The Dead has two drummers (other than the period after Mickey's Dad ripped of the band.) The Phish has one drummer.

#10 gregoir

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:26 PM

The similarites come much more with the culture of the scene then any of the music.

#11 gregoir

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:26 PM

Both lead Guitar players were junkies.

#12 hoagie

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:30 PM

The Dead hooked up with Robert Hunter. The Phish hooked up with Tom Marshall


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#13 gregoir

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:32 PM

The Dead hooked up with Robert Hunter. The Phish hooked up with The Dude of Life.


need some videos of alleged hookups :pimp:

#14 TEO

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:33 PM

need some videos of alleged hookups :gregoir:


:lol: Saw them live! :eek:

#15 PieDoh

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:34 PM

give a head some Grateful Dead and he will be high all day. Teach a head to Grateful Dead and he will be high for life?

#16 TEO

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:35 PM

Fix'd


GD also hooked up with John Perry Barlow. The Phish also hooked up with Tom Marshall.

#17 Royal

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:02 AM

Phish played bad shows at less than 1% of their shows. The Grateful played bad shows at about a rate of 45%

#18 capt_morgan

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:04 AM

oy vey...not again :lol:

#19 hoagie

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:34 AM

Both bands played huge shows at Watkins Glen speedway.

Both bands are better with :pimp:

#20 concert andy

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:53 AM

Many of each band's fans need a bath.

#21 Tabbooma

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:57 AM

GD= Beautiful music and lyrics, Phish=some good jams with goofy lyrics

#22 concert andy

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 01:01 AM

Your band sucks and mine doesn't.

:lol:

#23 Tabbooma

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 01:02 AM

smell too ;)

#24 musicfan

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 01:10 AM

The lore of The Grateful Dead will never be matched again... The P-fish are just a good band from Vermont.. My .02...

#25 gregoir

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 01:12 AM

She didn't ask for any of your stupid hippie opinions :joker:

#26 capt_morgan

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 01:14 AM

yea she did :lol:

#27 capt_morgan

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 01:15 AM

apples and bricks

#28 gregoir

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 01:18 AM

apples and bricks



I should read better :lol:

#29 concert andy

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 01:27 AM

apples and bricks


They are both red.

#30 capt_morgan

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 01:31 AM

exactly :lol:

#31 In A Silent Way

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 02:08 AM

The Grateful Dead were at the nexus of an artistic and cultural whirlwind. They were an urban band at the cusp of the beatniks and hippies.

Phish were a rural band in a relatively isolated college town. They built and expanded on the artistic and business model developed by the Grateful Dead.

#32 insolent cur

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 02:17 AM

beam > vacuum

#33 TEO

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 02:19 AM

Both bands jam out their songs.

#34 Royal

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 02:23 AM

The Grateful Dead were at the nexus of an artistic and cultural whirlwind. They were an urban band at the cusp of the beatniks and hippies.

Phish were a rural band in a relatively isolated college town. They built and expanded on the artistic and business model developed by the Grateful Dead.


Her name is David and she just nailed it on the head.

#35 capt_morgan

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 02:31 AM

thats what the girl at the picnic said

#36 Julius

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 03:52 AM

Here's my outline/cliff notes:

Common: Improvisational styles, never two songs or sets the same, not having a single band "leader" but rather rotating them depending on song choice. Total inability to write lyrics and need to hire outside lyricists. Extended jams, long songs well beyond radio length. Tour culture of fans seeing multiple shows per run. Common community that helps each other out and shuns outsiders and bands together to defeat authority figures. Virtuoso guitar player as central loved-by-all figure. Drug culture focusing on psychedelics and mind-altering experiences rather than drugs popular in urban society at the time, at least in Phish the early days.

Will think on the differences and get back to ya.

#37 Julius

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 03:54 AM

This paper has been written by almost every stoner in college. Are you going to review the Electric Koolaid Acid test for your 1960's history class next?


And I'm sorry Dee but that was fucking funny. :lol:

#38 Julius

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:08 AM

Differences:
Emotional feel of the music. GD focused as much on making the audience cry as smile, Phish is a happy/silly band. So many tragically sad songs performed by GD but I'm hard pressed to think of one by da phish. For examples, see Black Peter, Brokedown Palace, Candyman, Mission in the Rain, Stella Blue, Wharf Rat, I could go on but these all share a pondering about every day misery of life in different stages, death, aging, addiction, depression that Phish doesn't do. And the music reflects the tone of the lyrics.

Throwback to a bygone era: Dead fans of all ages seem to have an affinity with the hippie movement, dress the part, often hold the ideals of that age. Phish, not so much. My patchwork pants are cooler than yours, custie.

That's all I got for now, plus I'm getting bored. :lol:

#39 Julius

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:18 AM

I'll add a personal note on the authority figure thing. . . Phish fans seem to give some moral support and sympathy to people who are in trouble with local authorities but back in the day of GD tour I saw some things that made me really feel like we were a family and it was us against them. One time in Albany in the early 90s sometime a head had been approached by cops for selling dr*gs and took off running. Cops got on the radio and rounded up 20+ officers to join the chase through the pre-show crowd. As the guy ran through the crowd, it closed behind him like a steel curtain on the cops. People were putting out their feet to "accidently" trip them as they ran if they got past the blockades. In spite of being 20 against one and well organized with vehicles and helicopters, the cops never stood a chance of apprehending a family member.

#40 Julius

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 04:32 AM

OK, one more thing I just can't resist saying. Dead fans are (IMO) sadly and even pathetically stuck in the past. It WAS the greatest musical experience ever on the planet, but that doesn't make it so now. These copycat GD acts are just beyond fucking terrible, can't sing, don't make the audience emotionally involved except in their own minds of the past they had with the actual band. Put Bobby and Donna together and what have ya got? A big heap of ear-shattering poop.

#41 capt_morgan

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 05:07 AM

teh GD is past....teh phish is present. jerry's gone, we still have teh trey to work with in real time

#42 KittyKindBud

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 11:34 AM

Back at the Unbroken Chain Symposium on the Legacy of the Grateful Dead, it was said that no other band , besides maybe String Cheese, had a "family" of dedicated fans whom supported the band and fellow fans.....

#43 hoagie

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 11:39 AM

Back at the Unbroken Chain Symposium on the Legacy of the Grateful Dead, it was said that no other band , besides maybe String Cheese, had a "family" of dedicated fans whom supported the band and fellow fans.....


Inaccurate at best.

#44 fin_fang_foom

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 01:29 PM

"The Dead had that Americana vibe, whereas Phish has that Middle-Earth vibe"

me in 1999 at Camp Oswego

#45 concert andy

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 01:51 PM

I do not get the GD "family" thing. I have heard about it, but I have never experienced it, ever.

I mean yeah I saw and met some friendly people, but to call them family is a little bit of a stretch?

#46 Tim the Beek

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 01:52 PM

Similarities: Improvisational music. Traveling fanbase prone to psychedelic experimentation.

Difference: For lack of a better word, soul. I like Phish just fine, but the Dead's (and especially Jerry's) ability to move me emotionally through music has been unparalleled in my life.

#47 Java Time

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 02:23 PM

Grateful Dead had blues and country music folk as inspiration...Phish had Grateful Dead

#48 mellowfellow

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 03:14 PM

The guys in Phish are younger then the guys in the grateful dead. The Grateful dead's stage & light rig looked more like a daydream, Phish's stage & light rig always looks like a UFO.
Both bands kick ass in their own jamtastic way.