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Behind the Secret GOP-Dem Effort to Shut Out Third Parties (or Why We're Fucked)


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#1 Joker

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 04:36 PM

As Obama, Romney Hold First Debate, Behind the Secret GOP-Dem Effort to Shut Out Third Parties



As President Obama and Mitt Romney prepare to square off in Denver, Colorado tonight, we look at how the Democrats and Republicans manage to shut out all third parties from the presidential debates. The Obama and Romney campaigns have secretly negotiated a detailed contract that dictates many of the terms of the 2012 presidential debates. This includes who gets to participate, as well as the topics raised during the debates. We’re joined by George Farah, founder and executive director of Open Debates, and author of the book, "No Debate: How the Republican and Democratic Parties Secretly Control the Presidential Debates."


Starts at about the 10 minute mark here

http://www.democracy...a_romney_debate

#2 Tim the Beek

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:13 PM

Sucks, but not surprising.

#3 seany

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:32 PM

Not surprising at all. And LOL at "debate" - pretty sure there hasn't been one of those in decades...

#4 china cat

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:17 AM

Nader bemoaning the same issue back in 2008


http://www.democracy...crats_corporate

#5 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 01:05 PM



#6 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 01:05 PM

Ben gives us teh fact check.

You've been had by the two parties if you support either of them. It's called fraud.

#7 TEO

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 01:24 PM

What I do not understand is why it seems so many people do not "get this?"

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 01:27 PM

Ben gives us teh fact check.

You've been had by the two parties if you support either of them. It's called fraud.

What I do not understand is why it seems so many people do not "get this?"


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#9 Tim the Beek

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 01:54 PM

What I do not understand is why it seems so many people do not "get this?"


The media has a vested interest in the maintaining the status quo?

#10 PeaceFrog

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 10:19 PM

well go vote for a third party, and if that third party receives 10 percent of the vote, then they can debate next time around.

or just sit home, do nothing, and complain.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:03 AM

Well said PF.

#12 Joker

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 03:43 PM

What I do not understand is why it seems so many people do not "get this?"

I think it's a case of people wanting to be on the "winning side" so bad that they're willing to support someone they may not agree with rather than let the "other side" win.

The lesser of two evils vote that allows the machine to keep feeding us nothing but their giant douche/turd sandwich options.

#13 PeaceFrog

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 05:58 PM

right... all of America has the mentality of a third grader and wants to vote for the winning team

This premise makes for a funny joke setup, or an episode of a sitcom, but I can't believe anyone would take it seriously at all.

the funniest thing is that you probably don't even watch southpark.

#14 TEO

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 06:28 PM

I think it's a case of people wanting to be on the "winning side" so bad that they're willing to support someone they may not agree with rather than let the "other side" win.

The lesser of two evils vote that allows the machine to keep feeding us nothing but their giant douche/turd sandwich options.


That could be it! Along with propaganda as well as brain washing via public media.

#15 Tim the Beek

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 02:17 PM

...keep feeding us nothing but their giant douche/turd sandwich options.


Perhaps the best episode of that show, ever.

#16 china cat

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 04:57 PM

Perhaps the best episode of that show, ever.


ever!

http://www.southpark...douche-and-turd

#17 elder

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:59 PM

That could be it! Along with propaganda as well as brain washing via public media.


Exactly Ms. TEO.

Every morning and every evening, the majority of people turn on the tube and absorb their news.
Depending on which station (FOX vs. the rest) they will get that stations party affiliated slant.

3rd party alternatives are NEVER mentioned however, on any of them. Like they don't exist.
Even Ron Paul, who makes more sense as an alternative today, signed a GOP contract dissallowing him to run as an independent.

Nice. A hush order, eliminating choices (and voices) for the people.

The end of the thread title hit it spot on ... we are fucked.

#18 PeaceFrog

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:48 PM

Why would Ron Paul screw libertarians like that? First, he convinces them to register Republican. Then, after you're stuck with a candidate you dislike (Gary Johnson) you're left with no other choice but Mitt Romney?

Sounds like a conspiracy.

#19 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:54 PM

Anyone can vote for whoever they want in a presidential general election, numb nuts. I can be a registered democrat and vote for Romney. :lmao: :picardfp: KYS. DIAF. "Stop spreading false information." :lmao:
Only the primaries for the parties do people need to register to vote (state rules very).

:lmao:

Jeebus, it's no wonder we're fucked. With a 300 million plus army of Derp Frogs out there we'll be sure to put the square peg in the round hole. :lmao:

#20 elder

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:02 PM

Sounds like a conspiracy.


Exactly.
A conspiracy. A setup. A ruse.

We are being played with. We are told we have choices, as long as you order off the menu.
The menu with only 2 items on it....turd samich on sour dough vs. turd samich on rye.

#21 Tim the Beek

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:05 PM

Maybe the rye will have the ergot on it, and will make things look pretty for a while.

Guess I'll order the turd on rye.

Oh, wait...no I won't. :)

#22 PeaceFrog

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:06 PM

you may be right, but if you are then I'm positive that Ron Paul is in on it 100%.

#23 PeaceFrog

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:09 PM

AND Ralph Nader , whom I voted for in 2000 and will never make that mistake again.

#24 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:12 PM

:lmao:

#25 PeaceFrog

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:18 PM

today is the best day to be posting pictures lol

PASS!

#26 PeaceFrog

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:25 PM

I think it was really underhanded what Ron Paul did to the Libertarian party.

On the other hand, I do admire his trolling of the Republican party.

#27 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:26 PM

I'm not placing an order. I'll get the turd on Wonder Bread anyway.

#28 elder

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:28 PM

If you really believe that Gore cost the Dems and Paul will cost the Republicans, well then this 2 party system is perfect for you.
Which turd samich do you prefer?

#29 PeaceFrog

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:45 PM

no, I believe that Nader cost the country.(these aren't football teams -- "Dems" didn't lose -- the middle class did) He shouldn't have campaigned in Florida if he had more than his own ego at heart. This is the main reason that Michael Moore no longer supports him, and neither do I.

It makes sense for a third party to campaign in states where the polling is strong one way or the other, but it was irresponsible for him to do so in such a tight state like Florida.

#30 Tim the Beek

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:46 PM

Freakin poopatarians. :mrgreen:

#31 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:48 PM

You'll never help someone that entrenched in the two party paradigm see the light, elder. It will never happen. Ever.

#32 elder

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:52 PM

no, Nader cost the country. He shouldn't have campaigned in Florida if he had more than his own ego at heart. This is the main reason that Michael Moore no longer supports him, and neither do I.

It makes sense for a third party to campaign in states where the polling is strong one way or the other, but it was irresponsible for him to do so in such a tight state like Florida.


sorry, that was a typo, I meant Nader.

and Michael Moore? really? talk about self interests. the phat phuck tried to come across all non-partisan, but clearly was a democratic party shill.

#33 PeaceFrog

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:59 PM

He wasn't really a Democratic party shill because he was a Nader/Green Party supporter (just like I was) before the 2000 election.

So, yeah, he kind of was non-partisan. That doesn't mean he was Republican, or conservative. Anyway, he isn't running for office.

Political parties are not static. They are dynamic. They change with the times and the current attitudes. Attitudes are shaped by politics. It's a feedback loop. A subtle shift in one direction or the other may not seem to make a whole lot of difference right at the moment, but over time it picks up momentum.

#34 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:03 PM

Micheal Moore. LOLZ!

"Capitalism is the problem. Capitalism is destroying the nation. Look at all the poor people! Watch my new movie! Buy my t-shirt."

Multi-millionaire Micheal Moore selling his products. LMFAO!

What a dunce, and anyone who listens to him as well. Buffoons.

#35 Joker

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 12:33 AM

Jill Stein Arrested Before Hofstra Debate, Campaign Reports (VIDEO)


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Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein was arrested outside of Hofstra University on Tuesday after attempted to enter debate grounds.

According to Stein's campaign press statement, Stein and running mate Cheri Honkala joined supporters outside the Hofstra campus at 2pm, where Stein declared, "We are here to bring the courage of those excluded from our politics to this mock debate, this mockery of democracy." When they started to walk onto the debate grounds, they were stopped by police officers, and then the two women sat down on the ground.

Student-run news organization Long Island Report posted a video of Stein and Honkala sitting, with an officer arguing, "You're blocking traffic." After Honkala stated, "We want to practice our first amendment rights," the police can been seen removing the women from the ground and leading them away.

According to the campaign, Stein and Honkala were then arrested. Press contact Glenn Turner confirmed to HuffPost that Stein was arrested and as of early Tuesday evening was still in jail, charged with disorderly conduct.
Earlier in the day, Stein told Philadelphia Weekly that despite some butterflies in the stomach, "We are prepared to be arrested in the service of democracy and a future that serves us all.”

Stein advocates have been upset over her exclusion from the main debates. According to Politico, "The bipartisan Commission on Presidential Debates stipulates that a candidate must garner at least 15 percent in national polls in order to participate."

Stein's supporters have expressed disillusionment with mainstream candidates, while many environmentalists have grown frustrated over the "climate silence" permeating much of the campaign season.

As HuffPost blogger Carl Gibson wrote:

Jill Stein is a candidate that the other 90 million of us can get excited about. Picture the populist candidate Barack Obama once was in 2008, minus the financial support from Wall Street banks and oil companies, and the fawning coverage from mainstream media outlets. In her Green New Deal, she's vowing to end drone strikes, tightly regulate Wall Street, halt all government-funded construction of fossil fuel-dependent projects, and end all foreign wars and occupations.


According to the campaign, Stein is expected to be listed on 85% of the ballots, and is planning to participate in an upcoming debate with Libertarian Party presidential candidate Gary Johnson.


http://www.huffingto...=elections-2012

#36 TakeAStepBack

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 12:38 AM

That looks like democracy!!

#37 Tim the Beek

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 11:49 AM

Props to Jill Stein:

Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein was arrested outside of Hofstra University on Tuesday after she attempted to enter the debate grounds.
According to Stein's campaign press statement, Stein and running mate Cheri Honkala joined supporters outside the Hofstra campus at 2 p.m., where Stein declared: "We are here to bring the courage of those excluded from our politics to this mock debate, this mockery of democracy." When they started to walk onto the debate grounds, they were stopped by police officers, and then the two women sat down on the ground.


http://www.huffingto..._n_1971960.html

#38 PeaceFrog

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 05:36 PM

Jill Stein is a socialist (if you think Obama is, then there's no doubt about her)

#39 Joker

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 04:08 PM

Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala protest at Hofstra Debate


http://www.youtube.c...&v=pnam1yi5bVs#!