So I heard on the radio tonight that wisconsin's senate and house passed the law. Now what happens?
People get to keep their jobs
so it begins? the battle of wisconsin
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Posted 11 March 2011 - 02:39 PM
MADISON, Wis. — Gov. Scott Walker announced on Friday that he was rescinding layoff notices for 1,500 state workers after Wisconsin lawmakers approved his plan to cut collective bargaining rights and benefits for public employees. The approval, after nearly a month of angry demonstrations and procedural maneuvering, will create enough budget savings, Mr. Walker said, that layoffs will not be needed now.
http://www.nytimes.c...2wisconsin.html
Ok I see that happening, what's next?
http://www.nytimes.c...2wisconsin.html
Ok I see that happening, what's next?
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Posted 11 March 2011 - 04:08 PM
Wisconsin vote spurs death threat, protests, legal questions
Republican state senators in Wisconsin last night pulled a legislative maneuver that allowed them to pass a controversial anti-union measure -- but the battle over union rights appears far from over.
Protesters are still flooding the Madison capitol battle in protest of the bill. Democratic lawmakers are questioning the legality of the Republicans' move. Recall efforts against several politicians are underway. And political groups are all the while raising money off of the events.
And the conflict is taking a dangerous turn -- Republican Wisconsin Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzergerald's office announced that the GOP leader received a death threat in an e-mail today, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports. Below is an excerpt from the e-mail:
"This is how it's going to happen: I as well as many others know where you and your family live, it's a matter of public records. We have all planned to assult (sic) you by arriving at your house and putting a nice little bullet in your head. However, this isn't enough. We also have decided that this may not be enough to send the message. So we have built several bombs that we have placed in various locations around the areas in which we know that you frequent..."
A spokesperson for Fitzgerald told the Journal Sentinel that the e-mail was turned over to state's capitol police, and that the GOP leader has been the target of other threats in recent weeks, including protesters who banged on the windows of Fitzgerald's house at 6 a.m.
Protesters have been demonstrating in Madison and elsewhere in the state since mid-February, when the state legislature first took up Republican Gov. Scott Walker's so-called "budget repair bill." The measure was intended to help close the state's budget gap but included controversial elements, like a provision to scale back public workers' benefits and dramatically limit their collective bargaining rights.
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http://www.cbsnews.c...660-503544.html
Republican state senators in Wisconsin last night pulled a legislative maneuver that allowed them to pass a controversial anti-union measure -- but the battle over union rights appears far from over.
Protesters are still flooding the Madison capitol battle in protest of the bill. Democratic lawmakers are questioning the legality of the Republicans' move. Recall efforts against several politicians are underway. And political groups are all the while raising money off of the events.
And the conflict is taking a dangerous turn -- Republican Wisconsin Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzergerald's office announced that the GOP leader received a death threat in an e-mail today, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports. Below is an excerpt from the e-mail:
"This is how it's going to happen: I as well as many others know where you and your family live, it's a matter of public records. We have all planned to assult (sic) you by arriving at your house and putting a nice little bullet in your head. However, this isn't enough. We also have decided that this may not be enough to send the message. So we have built several bombs that we have placed in various locations around the areas in which we know that you frequent..."
A spokesperson for Fitzgerald told the Journal Sentinel that the e-mail was turned over to state's capitol police, and that the GOP leader has been the target of other threats in recent weeks, including protesters who banged on the windows of Fitzgerald's house at 6 a.m.
Protesters have been demonstrating in Madison and elsewhere in the state since mid-February, when the state legislature first took up Republican Gov. Scott Walker's so-called "budget repair bill." The measure was intended to help close the state's budget gap but included controversial elements, like a provision to scale back public workers' benefits and dramatically limit their collective bargaining rights.
Cont...
http://www.cbsnews.c...660-503544.html
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Posted 15 March 2011 - 04:35 PM
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Way to go protesters. This amount should be deducted from union employees benefits not the whole state.
Way to go protesters. This amount should be deducted from union employees benefits not the whole state.
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Posted 15 March 2011 - 07:59 PM
I used duct tape to hang halloween plastic on my siding. The first year it didn't look bad when I removed it, but 2 years later the grit and grime in the air all stuck to the adhesive had taken me hours to scrub off the siding. At least $3.5 mil for union janitors to clean it up. 
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 01:20 PM
you gotta be fuckin kidding me
http://www.alternet....ill_in_america/
TEA PARTY AND THE RIGHT RobertReich.org / By Robert Reich 16 COMMENTS GOP Governor Orders Removal of Pro-Labor Mural -- Are We Still in America?
Maine Governor Paul LePage thinks the mural depicting the state's labor history is "not in keeping with the [Labor Department's] pro-business goals."
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TAKE ACTIONPetitions by Change.org|Get Widget|Start a Petition � Maine Governor Paul LePage has ordered state workers to remove from the state labor department a 36-foot mural depicting the state’s labor history. Among other things the mural illustrates the 1937 shoe mill strike in Auburn and Lewiston. It also features the iconic “Rosie the Riveter,” who in real life worked at the Bath Iron Works. One panel shows my predecessor at the U.S. Department of Labor, Frances Perkins, who was buried in Newcastle, Maine.
The LePage Administration is also renaming conference rooms that had carried the names of historic leaders of American labor, as well as former Secretary Perkins.
The Governor’s spokesman explains that the mural and the conference-room names were “not in keeping with the department’s pro-business goals.”
Are we still in America?
Frances Perkins was the first woman cabinet member in American history. She was also one of the most accomplished cabinet members in history.
She and her boss, Franklin D. Roosevelt, came to office at a time when average working people needed help – and Perkins and Roosevelt were determined to give it to them. Together, they created Social Security, unemployment insurance, the right of workers to unionize, the minimum wage, and the forty-hour workweek.
Big business and Wall Street thought Perkins and Roosevelt were not in keeping with pro-business goals. So they and their Republican puppets in Congress and in the states retaliated with a political assault on the New Deal.
Roosevelt did not flinch. In a speech in October 1936 he condemned “business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.”
Big business and Wall Street, he said,
had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.
Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me – and I welcome their hatred.
Fast forward 75 years.
Big business and Wall Street have emerged from the Great Recession with their pockets bulging. Profits and bonuses are as high as they were before the downturn. And they’re spending like mad on lobbying and politics. After the Supreme Court’s disgraceful Citizens United decision, there are no limits.
Pro-business goals are breaking out all over. Governors across America are slashing corporate taxes as they slash state budgets. House and Senate Republicans are intent on deregulating, privatizing, and cutting spending and taxes so their corporate and Wall Street patrons will do even better.
But most Americans are still in desperate trouble. Few if any of the economic gains are trickling down.
That’s why the current Republican assault on workers – on their right to form unions, on unemployment insurance and Social Security, on public employees, and even (courtesy of Governor LePage) on our common memory – is so despicable.
And it’s why we need a President who will fight for workers and fight against this assault — just as Perkins and FDR did.
By the way, Maine’s Governor LePage may be curious to know that the building housing the U.S. Department of Labor in Washington is named the “Frances Perkins Building.” He can find her portrait hanging prominently inside. Also portraits and murals of great leaders of American labor.
A short walk across the mall will bring Governor LePage to an imposing memorial to Franklin D. Roosevelt, should the Governor wish to visit.
Governor, you might be able to erase some of Maine’s memory, but you’ll have a hard time erasing the nation’s memory – even if it’s not in keeping with your pro-business goals.
Robert B. Reich has served in three national administrations, most recently as secretary of labor under President Bill Clinton. He also served on President Obama's transition advisory board. His latest book is Supercapitalism.
http://www.alternet....ill_in_america/
TEA PARTY AND THE RIGHT RobertReich.org / By Robert Reich 16 COMMENTS GOP Governor Orders Removal of Pro-Labor Mural -- Are We Still in America?
Maine Governor Paul LePage thinks the mural depicting the state's labor history is "not in keeping with the [Labor Department's] pro-business goals."
March 24, 2011 |
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TAKE ACTIONPetitions by Change.org|Get Widget|Start a Petition � Maine Governor Paul LePage has ordered state workers to remove from the state labor department a 36-foot mural depicting the state’s labor history. Among other things the mural illustrates the 1937 shoe mill strike in Auburn and Lewiston. It also features the iconic “Rosie the Riveter,” who in real life worked at the Bath Iron Works. One panel shows my predecessor at the U.S. Department of Labor, Frances Perkins, who was buried in Newcastle, Maine.
The LePage Administration is also renaming conference rooms that had carried the names of historic leaders of American labor, as well as former Secretary Perkins.
The Governor’s spokesman explains that the mural and the conference-room names were “not in keeping with the department’s pro-business goals.”
Are we still in America?
Frances Perkins was the first woman cabinet member in American history. She was also one of the most accomplished cabinet members in history.
She and her boss, Franklin D. Roosevelt, came to office at a time when average working people needed help – and Perkins and Roosevelt were determined to give it to them. Together, they created Social Security, unemployment insurance, the right of workers to unionize, the minimum wage, and the forty-hour workweek.
Big business and Wall Street thought Perkins and Roosevelt were not in keeping with pro-business goals. So they and their Republican puppets in Congress and in the states retaliated with a political assault on the New Deal.
Roosevelt did not flinch. In a speech in October 1936 he condemned “business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.”
Big business and Wall Street, he said,
had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.
Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me – and I welcome their hatred.
Fast forward 75 years.
Big business and Wall Street have emerged from the Great Recession with their pockets bulging. Profits and bonuses are as high as they were before the downturn. And they’re spending like mad on lobbying and politics. After the Supreme Court’s disgraceful Citizens United decision, there are no limits.
Pro-business goals are breaking out all over. Governors across America are slashing corporate taxes as they slash state budgets. House and Senate Republicans are intent on deregulating, privatizing, and cutting spending and taxes so their corporate and Wall Street patrons will do even better.
But most Americans are still in desperate trouble. Few if any of the economic gains are trickling down.
That’s why the current Republican assault on workers – on their right to form unions, on unemployment insurance and Social Security, on public employees, and even (courtesy of Governor LePage) on our common memory – is so despicable.
And it’s why we need a President who will fight for workers and fight against this assault — just as Perkins and FDR did.
By the way, Maine’s Governor LePage may be curious to know that the building housing the U.S. Department of Labor in Washington is named the “Frances Perkins Building.” He can find her portrait hanging prominently inside. Also portraits and murals of great leaders of American labor.
A short walk across the mall will bring Governor LePage to an imposing memorial to Franklin D. Roosevelt, should the Governor wish to visit.
Governor, you might be able to erase some of Maine’s memory, but you’ll have a hard time erasing the nation’s memory – even if it’s not in keeping with your pro-business goals.
Robert B. Reich has served in three national administrations, most recently as secretary of labor under President Bill Clinton. He also served on President Obama's transition advisory board. His latest book is Supercapitalism.
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Posted 05 April 2011 - 03:20 PM
It's Election Day in Wisconsin, and collective bargaining is the issue
Millions of dollars have poured into Wisconsin for Election Day. At stake: a desire to swing the state Supreme Court majority on the issue of collective-bargaining power for unions.
Election Day in Wisconsin, Tuesday, is becoming yet another chapter in the ongoing debate over the collective-bargaining power for unions in that state. Both political parties are targeting an open state Supreme Court seat with the hope that it will swing the majority vote on the issue in their favor
Millions of dollars have poured into Wisconsin for Election Day. At stake: a desire to swing the state Supreme Court majority on the issue of collective-bargaining power for unions.
Election Day in Wisconsin, Tuesday, is becoming yet another chapter in the ongoing debate over the collective-bargaining power for unions in that state. Both political parties are targeting an open state Supreme Court seat with the hope that it will swing the majority vote on the issue in their favor
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Posted 28 April 2011 - 06:01 PM
You're wrong if you think any Democratic governor would do this.
what about a democratic house?
http://www.gathering...422#post1114422
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http://tpmdc.talking...h-can-it-go.php
Wisconsin Recall Turnout: How High Can It Go?
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So far, so good in the Wisconsin state Senate recalls, which as of midday have, according to reports, been proceeding smoothly.
Reid Magney, spokesman for the state Government Accountability Board, which oversees elections in the state, said that the GAB has not yet received any calls about incidents at any polling places, nor updates about turnout. The overall call volume to the GAB's central office has been only low to medium -- and coming from an interesting source for problems.
"We've had calls from people who want to know where they vote, and it turns out they don't live in one of the Senate districts, so they're unhappy about that," said Magney. "And that's what happens when you've got elections that happen in certain districts, but people in the media markets are seeing ads about it and not realizing who their senator is."
As WisPolitics reports, city clerks in some municipalities say that turnout could be near the level of a presidential election
Wisconsin Recall Turnout: How High Can It Go?
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So far, so good in the Wisconsin state Senate recalls, which as of midday have, according to reports, been proceeding smoothly.
Reid Magney, spokesman for the state Government Accountability Board, which oversees elections in the state, said that the GAB has not yet received any calls about incidents at any polling places, nor updates about turnout. The overall call volume to the GAB's central office has been only low to medium -- and coming from an interesting source for problems.
"We've had calls from people who want to know where they vote, and it turns out they don't live in one of the Senate districts, so they're unhappy about that," said Magney. "And that's what happens when you've got elections that happen in certain districts, but people in the media markets are seeing ads about it and not realizing who their senator is."
As WisPolitics reports, city clerks in some municipalities say that turnout could be near the level of a presidential election
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 12:32 PM
Pretty sad it's come down to this type of bullshit
Wisconsin labor fight started ugly, ended ugly
For some so-called progressives in Wisconsin, the threat posed by Gov. Scott Walker's policy limiting the collective-bargaining powers of some public employees has justified almost any response.
Democratic lawmakers fled the state rather than allow a vote on Walker's proposal.
Some teachers and other public employees abandoned their jobs to protest in the streets.
Some doctors violated ethics standards by issuing medical excuses for protesting teachers who walked out on students.
Unions threatened boycotts against businesses that declined to publicly side with organized labor.
AFL-CIO officials equated the cause of comfortable and well-paid unionized employees with the work of Martin Luther King Jr. and striking Memphis garbage collectors.
Anti-Walker forces set off an astonishing controversy amid a state Supreme Court election when they alleged that one justice had physically attacked another.
Unions successfully pushed for recall elections against several Republican lawmakers, resulting in two losing their seats.
And finally, the intense, lasting anger on the union side led to a recall election for Walker himself. And in the final hours before that vote, anti-Walker activists have spread ugly and baseless rumors that Walker is about to be indicted and -- in perhaps the lowest and most ridiculous point of the entire spectacle -- that Walker fathered an illegitimate child in college.
The indictment rumor was the work of the lefty television network Current, relying on what appears to be guesswork and supposition. Walker called it "100 percent wrong." But the report shot through a liberal blogosphere desperate for anything to use against Walker.
Then, over the weekend, an organization called the Wisconsin Citizens Media Co-op, which bills itself as "a group of citizen journalists who began covering the Wisconsin Uprising in February, 2011," posted an article on its website recounting the story of a woman who said her roommate had been Walker's girlfriend at Marquette University. The woman said her roommate became pregnant by Walker in the 1980s, that Walker had encouraged the roommate to have an abortion, and that when she chose not to abort the child, Walker denied paternity and took off.
None of it is true. The actual mother in question told a Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reporter that Walker was not the father of her child, and it appears the accusers may have confused a 1980s paternity case involving a Scott A. Walker with the governor, who is Scott K. Walker.
Never mind. Like the indictment tale, the "Walker love child" story raced around the left-wing Web world.
"This is another attempt to find an issue that will distract voters from Walker's record," says Rep. Jim Steineke, a conservative Republican lawmaker who represents Wisconsin's 5th Assembly District. "They keep trying to shift the message. First, it was about collective bargaining. Then it was about jobs. Then it was about the 'war on women.' They've been desperately trying to find a message that resonates with voters, and they haven't found it."
The indictment and love child stories might strike outside observers as off the wall, but for many Wisconsinites, those tales are just two more episodes in a long, exhausting drama.
"[The anti-Walker forces] are sensing it slipping through their fingers," says Matt Batzel, who is organizing Tea Party support for Walker through a group called American Majority. "They realize that all they've worked for in the past 14 months, and the millions of dollars labor has spent, is almost all for naught."
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http://campaign2012....ded-ugly/578686
Wisconsin labor fight started ugly, ended ugly
For some so-called progressives in Wisconsin, the threat posed by Gov. Scott Walker's policy limiting the collective-bargaining powers of some public employees has justified almost any response.
Democratic lawmakers fled the state rather than allow a vote on Walker's proposal.
Some teachers and other public employees abandoned their jobs to protest in the streets.
Some doctors violated ethics standards by issuing medical excuses for protesting teachers who walked out on students.
Unions threatened boycotts against businesses that declined to publicly side with organized labor.
AFL-CIO officials equated the cause of comfortable and well-paid unionized employees with the work of Martin Luther King Jr. and striking Memphis garbage collectors.
Anti-Walker forces set off an astonishing controversy amid a state Supreme Court election when they alleged that one justice had physically attacked another.
Unions successfully pushed for recall elections against several Republican lawmakers, resulting in two losing their seats.
And finally, the intense, lasting anger on the union side led to a recall election for Walker himself. And in the final hours before that vote, anti-Walker activists have spread ugly and baseless rumors that Walker is about to be indicted and -- in perhaps the lowest and most ridiculous point of the entire spectacle -- that Walker fathered an illegitimate child in college.
The indictment rumor was the work of the lefty television network Current, relying on what appears to be guesswork and supposition. Walker called it "100 percent wrong." But the report shot through a liberal blogosphere desperate for anything to use against Walker.
Then, over the weekend, an organization called the Wisconsin Citizens Media Co-op, which bills itself as "a group of citizen journalists who began covering the Wisconsin Uprising in February, 2011," posted an article on its website recounting the story of a woman who said her roommate had been Walker's girlfriend at Marquette University. The woman said her roommate became pregnant by Walker in the 1980s, that Walker had encouraged the roommate to have an abortion, and that when she chose not to abort the child, Walker denied paternity and took off.
None of it is true. The actual mother in question told a Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reporter that Walker was not the father of her child, and it appears the accusers may have confused a 1980s paternity case involving a Scott A. Walker with the governor, who is Scott K. Walker.
Never mind. Like the indictment tale, the "Walker love child" story raced around the left-wing Web world.
"This is another attempt to find an issue that will distract voters from Walker's record," says Rep. Jim Steineke, a conservative Republican lawmaker who represents Wisconsin's 5th Assembly District. "They keep trying to shift the message. First, it was about collective bargaining. Then it was about jobs. Then it was about the 'war on women.' They've been desperately trying to find a message that resonates with voters, and they haven't found it."
The indictment and love child stories might strike outside observers as off the wall, but for many Wisconsinites, those tales are just two more episodes in a long, exhausting drama.
"[The anti-Walker forces] are sensing it slipping through their fingers," says Matt Batzel, who is organizing Tea Party support for Walker through a group called American Majority. "They realize that all they've worked for in the past 14 months, and the millions of dollars labor has spent, is almost all for naught."
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http://campaign2012....ded-ugly/578686
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 01:59 PM
The big quesiton is, how will LOLberals spin this when Walker wins again today? That he cheated? Had an affair with the Kock bros and cheated in the election?
I dunno, but I do know there will be serbiz butthurt considering the dims and the unions have spent a lot of money, a lot od wisconsin tax money, trying to make a shit show to protect their grubby little government pocket hand. I hope other states rise up and start puttign the squeeze on all these public unions. Like a "dquash them completely" type squeeze.
I dunno, but I do know there will be serbiz butthurt considering the dims and the unions have spent a lot of money, a lot od wisconsin tax money, trying to make a shit show to protect their grubby little government pocket hand. I hope other states rise up and start puttign the squeeze on all these public unions. Like a "dquash them completely" type squeeze.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 02:40 PM
They're like children that dance around the "magical money tree in the white house and city hall lawns". If you give them an inch, they will whine for miles until they get their way. It's best that public sector unions just become a thing of the past.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 02:54 AM
Walker 57.9%
Barret 41.4%
64% reporting
Good nite, suite prince. Here is a fun quote from someone who before tonight, talked mad game about the recall as important, really important.
The butthurt, it begins on queue.
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Barret 41.4%
64% reporting
Good nite, suite prince. Here is a fun quote from someone who before tonight, talked mad game about the recall as important, really important.
Gee, he STAYS in office, big 'win' there. He outspent his opponent 5-1. "Even MSNBC" calls it, so much for that claim of bias. Unions did not influence, big money from out of state DID; Wisconsin deserves what it gets from here on in
The butthurt, it begins on queue.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 05:29 AM
so many opinions in this thread
no, they're crying because their right to collective bargaining is being taken away
you'd be surprised, actually
seems like an unimportant job until your tire flies off on the highway
in your perfect libertarian world, maybe. In real life, there's nepotism. There isn't a special word for it for no reason.
you can still be fired for no reason even if you're in a union. Big jobs nowadays have their own PLAs (Project Labor Agreements) that allow for this type of thing.
Yes, I do have experience in management of employees as I have been the foreman on a couple of jobs. It does seem as if certain employees sabotage the workplace. I have never had a person working directly for me who is like that, but I have seen them on several jobs. I have never seen the contractor have a problem with getting rid of them.
that's right, a Democrat would never have any part of union busting because if they did, a huge source of their funding would dry up and that's real life for you.
not necessarily. Sure the owner wants the best employees, but do you think the owner of all companies has the time to evaluate each employee personally? NO... middle management does this.
In conclusion, the union does not "protect lazy workers"
The union insures that laborers receive fair wages, benefits, and safe working conditions. That's about it. They also provide a pool of available skilled workers for contractors in the construction industry. How else would an out of town contractor be able to bid a job in another state and be sure to have the manpower needed? In this way, the union actually lowers the price of construction because there are more contractors to compete, and the labor cost is roughly the same for all of them.
I think some of you forget that there are many of us who do more than just push a pencil for a living.
I'm all for the people, peoples rights, and the power of us collectively. This is a misguided temper tantrum being thrown by public sector unions because the faucet to their trough has finally been cut off. We're all in this together, unless you're in a union, then its me me me.
I support Walker on this issue. Seriously, they're crying because they have to *gasp* pay for half of their retirement and *gasp* 12% of their health insurance. Go out and get a job that doesn't suck at the teet of the American taxpayers and see how it is and then see what they have to say about their 12% contribution.
no, they're crying because their right to collective bargaining is being taken away
Yes, and likewise you should be able to leave a job as you feel so fit. If you feel like you've gotten the shaft from your employer, go get another job. Its not like we're all fighting over laborer jobs here.
you'd be surprised, actually
Labor unions for GM negotiatied DOWN to $55/hour......... to watch a machine screw on lug bolts.
seems like an unimportant job until your tire flies off on the highway
Bottom line there is the boss wouldnt fire his best guy to give his nephew the gnueb the job. if the boss did, the boss sucks at business.
in your perfect libertarian world, maybe. In real life, there's nepotism. There isn't a special word for it for no reason.
which would be wrong
if you're in a union, you can be fired if you get written up enough...if you truly do suck at your job, arbitration can't help you because the file is there and the proof is there that you suck, are a slow producer, are late constantly, etc.
if your boss just has it in for you bc he doesn't like your personality, the way you dress, what you do outside work, what your religion is, etc...well then the union can help you keep your job and deservedly so
with no union you can be fired without a reason, which is wrong no matter how you look at it, esp at times like this when unemployment is as high as it is and you have being fired on your resume no matter what the reasoning behind it is
you can still be fired for no reason even if you're in a union. Big jobs nowadays have their own PLAs (Project Labor Agreements) that allow for this type of thing.
2 points:
First, there are laws protecting basic rights as workers. Government has stepped in to be the referee, where they did not in the past. You think you need a union to protect the 40 hour work week? Probably not as its law at this point in the game.
Second, do any of the pro union people in here have any experience in management of employees? Specifically, low skill employees? There's 2 sides to every story, and I've seen the BS that shitty workers cause and the havoc they wreak on an otherwise healthy organization. They can literally bring companies down. (like they have with government)
Yes, I do have experience in management of employees as I have been the foreman on a couple of jobs. It does seem as if certain employees sabotage the workplace. I have never had a person working directly for me who is like that, but I have seen them on several jobs. I have never seen the contractor have a problem with getting rid of them.
I agree with you 100%.
With the amount of money that the Unions contribute to the Democratic parties in EVERY state, theres no way Dems would ever go anti-union. No way.
They're the "working man's party" after all
that's right, a Democrat would never have any part of union busting because if they did, a huge source of their funding would dry up and that's real life for you.
I disagree. Some workers are better and more valuable than other workers. Business owners, for the most part, want the best workers they can find to optimize production. It's like a sports team ... you want the best athletes/workers you can find. The bad ones are released.
not necessarily. Sure the owner wants the best employees, but do you think the owner of all companies has the time to evaluate each employee personally? NO... middle management does this.
In conclusion, the union does not "protect lazy workers"
The union insures that laborers receive fair wages, benefits, and safe working conditions. That's about it. They also provide a pool of available skilled workers for contractors in the construction industry. How else would an out of town contractor be able to bid a job in another state and be sure to have the manpower needed? In this way, the union actually lowers the price of construction because there are more contractors to compete, and the labor cost is roughly the same for all of them.
I think some of you forget that there are many of us who do more than just push a pencil for a living.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 05:37 AM
as for the public sector unions... I really don't care
let all the cops and teachers and mailmen be scabs. I see no problem with that.
Reagan fired all the union air traffic controllers and the only little glitch to speak of since then has been 9/11/01... no biggie. We can deal with a national tragedy every so often as long as we get rid of those pesky unions.
let all the cops and teachers and mailmen be scabs. I see no problem with that.
Reagan fired all the union air traffic controllers and the only little glitch to speak of since then has been 9/11/01... no biggie. We can deal with a national tragedy every so often as long as we get rid of those pesky unions.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 06:03 AM
this misinformation about the union kind of gets to me.
On my most recent job which was just last week (I was working nights 3pm -11pm) I got laid off and the reason they gave me was that my partner was not productive enough... MY PARTNER! WTF???
On my slip, they checked the "layoff" and "lack of work" box so there's no problems...
On my most recent job which was just last week (I was working nights 3pm -11pm) I got laid off and the reason they gave me was that my partner was not productive enough... MY PARTNER! WTF???
On my slip, they checked the "layoff" and "lack of work" box so there's no problems...
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 12:13 PM
seems like an unimportant job until your tire flies off on the highway
I think you missed the point.
as for the public sector unions... I really don't care let all the cops and teachers and mailmen be scabs. I see no problem with that. Reagan fired all the union air traffic controllers and the only little glitch to speak of since then has been 9/11/01... no biggie. We can deal with a national tragedy every so often as long as we get rid of those pesky unions.
Please explain exactly how unionized air traffic controllers would have changed that outcome?
this misinformation about the union kind of gets to me. On my most recent job which was just last week (I was working nights 3pm -11pm) I got laid off and the reason they gave me was that my partner was not productive enough... MY PARTNER! WTF??? On my slip, they checked the "layoff" and "lack of work" box so there's no problems...
seems like your management skills are not quite up to par. good thing you are in a union to protect your lack of skills.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 01:57 PM
So much for a larger voter turnout being a plus for the Dems.
It looks like there was about a 25% increase in voters and an even bigger margin of victory for the incumbent.
Such a huge waste of taxpayer money, all for nothing.
Also, it makes one wonder what kind of union lets a member lose their job because of the actions of someone else?
It looks like there was about a 25% increase in voters and an even bigger margin of victory for the incumbent.
Such a huge waste of taxpayer money, all for nothing.
And this pretty much sums up why people are fed up with the union bullshit. Rather than fire those not doing their jobs they are simply "laid off" and allowed to go back to collecting and living off the public's dime.this misinformation about the union kind of gets to me. On my most recent job which was just last week (I was working nights 3pm -11pm) I got laid off and the reason they gave me was that my partner was not productive enough... MY PARTNER! WTF??? On my slip, they checked the "layoff" and "lack of work" box so there's no problems...
Also, it makes one wonder what kind of union lets a member lose their job because of the actions of someone else?
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 09:34 PM
Also, it isn't my job to manage my partner. People generally don't like anyone telling them what to do unless you're actually the foreman.
Besides, I can't make people work faster. They do what they're capable of. I don't browbeat my partner or my workers when I am foreman.
Anyway, your union busting governer won.. you should all be proud.
And how would union air traffic controllers have prevented 9/11? Easy, by not falling asleep at the wheel.
Besides, I can't make people work faster. They do what they're capable of. I don't browbeat my partner or my workers when I am foreman.
Anyway, your union busting governer won.. you should all be proud.
And how would union air traffic controllers have prevented 9/11? Easy, by not falling asleep at the wheel.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 10:00 PM
if only your belief system wasn't so contradictory...
you don't think unions should protect "lazy workers" but then you gripe when I tell you that I was laid off due to the (in)actions of my partner.
How is the union supposed to know the difference between a "lazy worker" and someone who was treated unfairly?
The contractor wrote on the discharge slip "laid off, lack of work" so that is the official story. The foreman verbally told me my partner was slow but I didn't get a recording of the conversation so I have no concrete proof.
It's not a big deal because I will be out to work again by next week.
The union provides a service of matching up skilled workers with contractors who need help.
The contractor saves time and resources because they don't have to run ads and waste time reviewing resumes and interviewing potential employees.
The setup is not much different than temporary hiring agencies, and you don't have a problem with them do you?
And finally, contractors sign a contract with the union by choice. No one is forcing them.
you don't think unions should protect "lazy workers" but then you gripe when I tell you that I was laid off due to the (in)actions of my partner.
How is the union supposed to know the difference between a "lazy worker" and someone who was treated unfairly?
The contractor wrote on the discharge slip "laid off, lack of work" so that is the official story. The foreman verbally told me my partner was slow but I didn't get a recording of the conversation so I have no concrete proof.
It's not a big deal because I will be out to work again by next week.
The union provides a service of matching up skilled workers with contractors who need help.
The contractor saves time and resources because they don't have to run ads and waste time reviewing resumes and interviewing potential employees.
The setup is not much different than temporary hiring agencies, and you don't have a problem with them do you?
And finally, contractors sign a contract with the union by choice. No one is forcing them.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 05:11 PM
Walker focused on 'moving Wisconsin forward'; won't change schedule after death threats
MADISON- Governor Walker is making calls to business owners, legislative opponents and visited a manufacturing plant on the morning after winning a historic recall election.
Walker, in an interview with Newsradio 620 WTMJ's Wisconsin's Afternoon News with John Mercure, said he keeps planning "to move Wisconsin forward," and work together with Democratic opponents.
The governor said his wife Tonette recommended that he invite all legislators over to eat brats, burgers and have a few drinks as early as next week in an effort to "thaw the ice" between politicians.
Walker said he is focused on getting bipartisan support on his long term goals of improving the quality of life, creating jobs and expanding small businesses in Wisconsin.
Walker also received some death threats Wednesday, he said those threats "won't affect my public schedule." He expressed disappointment that some people resorted to those tactics. Walker is taking those threats seriously -- but said he is confident in his security detail. Walker said the threats aren't the first and he doesn't expect them to be the last.
In the state Senate race between Van Wanggaard and John Lehman, Walker said he is monitoring the race, but isn't sure that race could impact that legislature too much. The governor noted the legislative session is out and that a special or extraordinary session is the only way a Democratic or
Republican Senate majority could matter before the November election.
In November, 16 of the 33 Senate seats are up for election.
Walker's recall election has gained some national attention and if Mitt Romney, the Republican Presidential candidate, called the governor to be his VP candidate, Walker would tell him, "Call (Janesville Representative) Paul Ryan."
Walker believes that Romney doesn't need a Wisconsin politician to run on his ticket to win the Badger State. The governor said Romney can win Wisconsin and the White House with clear plans on how to handle the country's tough issues.
http://www.todaystmj.../157610445.html
MADISON- Governor Walker is making calls to business owners, legislative opponents and visited a manufacturing plant on the morning after winning a historic recall election.
Walker, in an interview with Newsradio 620 WTMJ's Wisconsin's Afternoon News with John Mercure, said he keeps planning "to move Wisconsin forward," and work together with Democratic opponents.
The governor said his wife Tonette recommended that he invite all legislators over to eat brats, burgers and have a few drinks as early as next week in an effort to "thaw the ice" between politicians.
Walker said he is focused on getting bipartisan support on his long term goals of improving the quality of life, creating jobs and expanding small businesses in Wisconsin.
Walker also received some death threats Wednesday, he said those threats "won't affect my public schedule." He expressed disappointment that some people resorted to those tactics. Walker is taking those threats seriously -- but said he is confident in his security detail. Walker said the threats aren't the first and he doesn't expect them to be the last.
In the state Senate race between Van Wanggaard and John Lehman, Walker said he is monitoring the race, but isn't sure that race could impact that legislature too much. The governor noted the legislative session is out and that a special or extraordinary session is the only way a Democratic or
Republican Senate majority could matter before the November election.
In November, 16 of the 33 Senate seats are up for election.
Walker's recall election has gained some national attention and if Mitt Romney, the Republican Presidential candidate, called the governor to be his VP candidate, Walker would tell him, "Call (Janesville Representative) Paul Ryan."
Walker believes that Romney doesn't need a Wisconsin politician to run on his ticket to win the Badger State. The governor said Romney can win Wisconsin and the White House with clear plans on how to handle the country's tough issues.
http://www.todaystmj.../157610445.html
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 05:20 PM
California is now in the process of going into a pension for public union workers reform too. This is a very good trend for the country. The more this catches on, the better it is for all taxpayers.
Results. People like them.
Good work on the balanced budget, highest job creation and lowest UE in the country, Walker!
Results. People like them.
Good work on the balanced budget, highest job creation and lowest UE in the country, Walker!
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 05:35 PM
California is now in the process of going into a pension for public union workers reform too. This is a very good trend for the country. The more this catches on, the better it is for all taxpayers.
Results. People like them.
Good work on the balanced budget, highest job creation and lowest UE in the country, Walker!
California is in the process of going into a pension for public union workers?
wow... that's some pension. Those public union workers really got it good.
All the Wisconsin election proves (once again) is that money can buy an election.
Thanks Citizens United for the constant bombardment of misinformation.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 02:41 PM
Seems these folks still don't understand that the general public is simply fed up paying for their perks and instead prefer to think the public is just "uneducated" when it comes to who belongs to unions
Union, on Heels of Wisconsin Recall Vote, Selects a New President
LOS ANGELES — Nearly 3,000 delegates from the nation’s largest union of state and local government employees gathered here this week. Judging from the talk on the convention floor, one would hardly know that they had experienced a huge defeat this month in their effort to recall Wisconsin’s governor, or that they faced lawmakers and voters across the country who have grown increasingly unsympathetic to public sector workers.
The delegates attending the convention of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees have been preoccupied with choosing the first president to head their union in three decades. On Thursday, they elected Lee Saunders, who had been the union’s secretary-treasurer.
The union said Mr. Saunders received 683,628 votes, and his opponent, Danny Donohue, received 582,358 votes. Mr. Donohue is the leader of the union’s largest local, in New York State.
In campaigning for the job, Mr. Saunders, who becomes the first African-American president in the union’s history, vowed to increase its membership of nearly 1.4 million and to make it more politically influential and effective at resisting concessions on pay and pensions.
But absent from the convention discussions has been any serious consideration of a fundamental change in strategy — something that many labor and political experts say the union badly needs to win more public support.
“What is coming out of Wisconsin are the wrong words,” said Gary Chaison, a professor of industrial relations at Clark University. “They said, ‘We lost because we were outspent.’ It would have been much more encouraging if they said, ‘We lost because we are out of touch with the public.’ They don’t understand that in hard times, everyone must sacrifice.”
Inside the convention center, which was teeming with people wearing bright green “AFSCME” T-shirts, there was little hand-wringing about the June 5 defeat in Wisconsin or the losses that day in San Jose and San Diego, where voters cut city employees’ pensions. The delegates are by and large gung-ho activists rather than introspective Hamlets, and their view is that they lost in Wisconsin and California because the public misunderstands government employees and how they are compensated and because conservative groups spent millions on advertisements telling voters that public employees were living the good life and receiving pensions that were way too generous.
“We’ve gotten a bad rap,” said Casey Karns, 27, a delegate who does therapeutic work for Pennsylvania’s Department of Public Welfare. “The opposition — the anti-union C.E.O.’s and politicians — they’ve painted us to be the elite. But we’re not the elite.”
“I think a lot of the general public doesn’t realize that firefighters, teachers, police officers, who provide services, clean drinking water — that they’re union members,” she said. “We have to do a better job educating people about what we do every day, that we’re your brothers, sisters and cousins.
There's more to this article here
http://www.nytimes.c...?pagewanted=all
Union, on Heels of Wisconsin Recall Vote, Selects a New President
LOS ANGELES — Nearly 3,000 delegates from the nation’s largest union of state and local government employees gathered here this week. Judging from the talk on the convention floor, one would hardly know that they had experienced a huge defeat this month in their effort to recall Wisconsin’s governor, or that they faced lawmakers and voters across the country who have grown increasingly unsympathetic to public sector workers.
The delegates attending the convention of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees have been preoccupied with choosing the first president to head their union in three decades. On Thursday, they elected Lee Saunders, who had been the union’s secretary-treasurer.
The union said Mr. Saunders received 683,628 votes, and his opponent, Danny Donohue, received 582,358 votes. Mr. Donohue is the leader of the union’s largest local, in New York State.
In campaigning for the job, Mr. Saunders, who becomes the first African-American president in the union’s history, vowed to increase its membership of nearly 1.4 million and to make it more politically influential and effective at resisting concessions on pay and pensions.
But absent from the convention discussions has been any serious consideration of a fundamental change in strategy — something that many labor and political experts say the union badly needs to win more public support.
“What is coming out of Wisconsin are the wrong words,” said Gary Chaison, a professor of industrial relations at Clark University. “They said, ‘We lost because we were outspent.’ It would have been much more encouraging if they said, ‘We lost because we are out of touch with the public.’ They don’t understand that in hard times, everyone must sacrifice.”
Inside the convention center, which was teeming with people wearing bright green “AFSCME” T-shirts, there was little hand-wringing about the June 5 defeat in Wisconsin or the losses that day in San Jose and San Diego, where voters cut city employees’ pensions. The delegates are by and large gung-ho activists rather than introspective Hamlets, and their view is that they lost in Wisconsin and California because the public misunderstands government employees and how they are compensated and because conservative groups spent millions on advertisements telling voters that public employees were living the good life and receiving pensions that were way too generous.
“We’ve gotten a bad rap,” said Casey Karns, 27, a delegate who does therapeutic work for Pennsylvania’s Department of Public Welfare. “The opposition — the anti-union C.E.O.’s and politicians — they’ve painted us to be the elite. But we’re not the elite.”
“I think a lot of the general public doesn’t realize that firefighters, teachers, police officers, who provide services, clean drinking water — that they’re union members,” she said. “We have to do a better job educating people about what we do every day, that we’re your brothers, sisters and cousins.
There's more to this article here
http://www.nytimes.c...?pagewanted=all
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:18 PM
I just have to really wonder... did the union reject your application or something?
What do you have against average Americans making a decent wage?
The unions are what created the middle class here in America... so either you're rich or uneducated.
What do you have against average Americans making a decent wage?
The unions are what created the middle class here in America... so either you're rich or uneducated.
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Posted 10 July 2012 - 12:35 PM
Unions plan legal action after Pa. mayor slashes city workers’ pay to minimum wage
Unions representing workers in the northeastern Pennsylvania city of Scranton expect to file a federal lawsuit against the city after the mayor abruptly cut their pay to minimum wage.
The attorney for three unions, including firefighters and police, tells The Times-Tribune of Scranton (http://bit.ly/LEtMXt ) he expects to file several legal actions, including a motion to hold Mayor Chris Doherty in contempt of court for violating a judge’s order to pay full wages.
Doherty last week cut the pay for about 400 employees to the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.
He says it was the only way for the cash-strapped city to pay bills, and promises to restore pay once finances are stabilized.
Doherty is locked in a dispute with Scranton’s city council over a financial recovery plan as it faces a $16.8 million budget deficit.
http://www.washingto...7KaW_story.html
Unions representing workers in the northeastern Pennsylvania city of Scranton expect to file a federal lawsuit against the city after the mayor abruptly cut their pay to minimum wage.
The attorney for three unions, including firefighters and police, tells The Times-Tribune of Scranton (http://bit.ly/LEtMXt ) he expects to file several legal actions, including a motion to hold Mayor Chris Doherty in contempt of court for violating a judge’s order to pay full wages.
Doherty last week cut the pay for about 400 employees to the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.
He says it was the only way for the cash-strapped city to pay bills, and promises to restore pay once finances are stabilized.
Doherty is locked in a dispute with Scranton’s city council over a financial recovery plan as it faces a $16.8 million budget deficit.
http://www.washingto...7KaW_story.html
