So, should cities be allowed to pick and choose what businesses they allow based solely on the beliefs of the business owner?
Seems like a recipe for disaster.
(Also, I've never eaten at one, are they any good?)
Mayor Thomas M. Menino is vowing to block Chick-fil-A from bringing its Southern-fried fast-food empire to Boston — possibly to a popular tourist spot just steps from the Freedom Trail — after the family-owned firm’s president suggested gay marriage is “inviting God’s judgment on our nation.”
“Chick-fil-A doesn’t belong in Boston. You can’t have a business in the city of Boston that discriminates against a population. We’re an open city, we’re a city that’s at the forefront of inclusion,” Menino told the Herald yesterday.
“That’s the Freedom Trail. That’s where it all started right here. And we’re not going to have a company, Chick-fil-A or whatever the hell the name is, on our Freedom Trail.”
Chick-fil-A has been swept up in a growing national controversy over company president Dan Cathy’s remarks questioning gay marriage and lauding the traditional family.
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Chick-fil-A, yay or nay?
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 12:58 PM
Boo on Chick-Fil-A, and yes, a city or state can based on lifestyle discrimination employment laws.
I guarantee they may not be discriminating against customers, but you won't find homosexual employees within their organization that are open about it.
I guarantee they may not be discriminating against customers, but you won't find homosexual employees within their organization that are open about it.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:03 PM
nay. not sure i've ever tried it to be honest (maybe as a kid...i know there is one in the mall near my hometown) but i have been actively passing it by for as long as i can remember. they have the right to speak openly about their stance on marriage and what constitutes a family, and i have the right to reject what they stand for...and i do.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:08 PM
Go Menino. I love our Mayor. Communities have a choice to not let certain businesses in (just like some communities are dry towns or don't let Dunkin Donuts set up shop) and this is no different. Like we need another fast food joint anyhow. 
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:10 PM
Do they have a record of discrimination against gays? All I've seen mentioned is the president's opposition to gay marriageBoo on Chick-Fil-A, and yes, a city or state can based on lifestyle discrimination employment laws.
I guarantee they may not be discriminating against customers, but you won't find homosexual employees within their organization that are open about it.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:19 PM
Do they have a record of discrimination against gays? All I've seen mentioned is the president's opposition to gay marriage
I don't know, but about 15 years ago, before I really paid attention to or understood their organization, I had a pretty creepy interview with a district manager of Chik-fil-a in Jacksonville. He didn't ask me about my religion, but made damn sure I knew that everyone in the organization including himself was a Christian.
Nice way to skirt employment law, but send me a pretty clear message. Needless to say, I passed on the opportunity......
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:27 PM
I have and haven't been able to come up with anything.They had internal memos about not hiring gays and removing any open gays from their ranks of employment. Google it, I'm killing time before a school meeting for my son or I would post #2s.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:27 PM
Getting your news from the herald might not be the best option.
Menino said he would do everything he could to block Chick-Fil A. Which of course is nothing. And Menino has said such. So in essence, he is just expressing his view, much in the same way that Mr Cathy uses his position as President of Chick Fil A to voice his opinions. Menino has no power to stop them from opening, all he has is his voice. Which is kinda funny when you think about it...
Menino said he would do everything he could to block Chick-Fil A. Which of course is nothing. And Menino has said such. So in essence, he is just expressing his view, much in the same way that Mr Cathy uses his position as President of Chick Fil A to voice his opinions. Menino has no power to stop them from opening, all he has is his voice. Which is kinda funny when you think about it...
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:29 PM
I don't eat crap like that anyways, and I don't support homophobes.
FTW!
Loved the letter Menino wrote, though I don't think that the city should be able to prevent a business from opening based on the owner's beliefs.
I would much prefer to see it open, and have it lose money because no one patronizes it.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:35 PM
Jack,
No one is stopping them from opening. No one is saying you can't open because of your beliefs. What Menino has done, is expressed his view. No city, either Boston or anywhere has stopped them from opening. Or said that they will stop them from opening soely for their beliefs. To say otherwise is distorting the facts.
(Which the Herald would NEVER do, I'm sure)
No one is stopping them from opening. No one is saying you can't open because of your beliefs. What Menino has done, is expressed his view. No city, either Boston or anywhere has stopped them from opening. Or said that they will stop them from opening soely for their beliefs. To say otherwise is distorting the facts.
(Which the Herald would NEVER do, I'm sure)
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:36 PM
There's not a doubt in my mind Menino will use every tool he has to keep them out including all the bureaucratic red tape he can throw at themGetting your news from the herald might not be the best option.
Menino said he would do everything he could to block Chick-Fil A. Which of course is nothing. And Menino has said such. So in essence, he is just expressing his view, much in the same way that Mr Cathy uses his position as President of Chick Fil A to voice his opinions. Menino has no power to stop them from opening, all he has is his voice. Which is kinda funny when you think about it...
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:49 PM
He very clearly stated they don't belong here and he wasn't going to have them. Yes, he has since gone back on his statement but he did say it.Jack,
No one is stopping them from opening. No one is saying you can't open because of your beliefs. What Menino has done, is expressed his view. No city, either Boston or anywhere has stopped them from opening. Or said that they will stop them from opening soely for their beliefs. To say otherwise is distorting the facts.
(Which the Herald would NEVER do, I'm sure)
“Chick-fil-A doesn’t belong in Boston. You can’t have a business in the city of Boston that discriminates against a population. We’re an open city, we’re a city that’s at the forefront of inclusion,” Menino told the Herald yesterday.
“That’s the Freedom Trail. That’s where it all started right here. And we’re not going to have a company, Chick-fil-A or whatever the hell the name is, on our Freedom Trail.”
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 01:53 PM
To those accusing them of homophobia, does being against gay marriage automatically make one a homophobe?
Personally, while I believe gays should have the same rights as everyone else, I don't believe in gay "marriage" as I believe the term marriage signifies the union of a man and a woman.
Personally, while I believe gays should have the same rights as everyone else, I don't believe in gay "marriage" as I believe the term marriage signifies the union of a man and a woman.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:09 PM
I like NY's Mayor Bloomberg's comments:
“It’s just not government’s job, and no matter how much you dislike somebody else’s views, think about what would happen in the cities where the views are on the other side,” Bloomberg said Friday on WOR radio’s “John Gambling Show.”
“It’s just not government’s job, and no matter how much you dislike somebody else’s views, think about what would happen in the cities where the views are on the other side,” Bloomberg said Friday on WOR radio’s “John Gambling Show.”
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:13 PM
FTW!
Loved the letter Menino wrote, though I don't think that the city should be able to prevent a business from opening based on the owner's beliefs.
I would much prefer to see it open, and have it lose money because no one patronizes it.
I'm fine not allowing a business to move into a city because of the leadership's personal views (it's more than just one dude) if they give corporate money to organizations that support homophobic and hate lined agendas. We don't want it. And businesses are not people even if my corrupt government doesn't agree with me-so my ethical opinion is that they are not protected by free speech.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:19 PM
What about businesses that donate to say, the Catholic church?I'm fine not allowing a business to move into a city because of the leadership's personal views (it's more than just one dude) if they give money to organizations that support homophobic and hate lined agendas. We don't want it. And businesses are not people even if my corrupt government doesn't agree with me-so my ethical opinion is that they are not protected by free speech.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:33 PM
There's not a doubt in my mind Menino will use every tool he has to keep them out including all the bureaucratic red tape he can throw at them
Which is your opinion,not fact. I could easily say that it is my belief that Mr Cathy will do all in his power to restrict the rights of a segment of our society. It doesn't make it a fact.
I don't think that Menino has much power to stop anything...
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:46 PM
Because that's the definition I was taught when I was growing upWhy?
IMO the only reason they can't have a marriage is because in a gay "marriage" it's not a man and a woman. There's no discrimination involved it's a simple fact that a man/man or woman/woman union isn't a man and a woman.Except that they can't have a marriage? How is that the same as anyone else?
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:55 PM
To those accusing them of homophobia, does being against gay marriage automatically make one a homophobe?
Personally, while I believe gays should have the same rights as everyone else, I don't believe in gay "marriage" as I believe the term marriage signifies the union of a man and a woman.
A man spoke those words and it was a man who wrote the bible, not god or someone who spoke to god, a man. You are using age old logic to define today.
My question is why do people care so much about Gay's getting married? How will it affect your life? How will it hurt your marriage? (all general questions not to you specifically J).
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:57 PM
the govt shouldn't be involved in the marriage business at all.
The govt should not be able to stop a business from opening solely based on the business views of religion, morals, etc...
the people should speak with their dollars and either support a business that does/does not do/support specific issues they care about
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That all said, there are some examples of business that I would I oppose and would hope my local govt would help me prevent for example, I would not want a for-profit methadone clinic opening in my neighborhood.
The govt should not be able to stop a business from opening solely based on the business views of religion, morals, etc...
the people should speak with their dollars and either support a business that does/does not do/support specific issues they care about
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That all said, there are some examples of business that I would I oppose and would hope my local govt would help me prevent for example, I would not want a for-profit methadone clinic opening in my neighborhood.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:57 PM
Because that's the definition I was taught when I was growing upIMO the only reason they can't have a marriage is because in a gay "marriage" it's not a man and a woman. There's no discrimination involved it's a simple fact that a man/man or woman/woman union isn't a man and a woman.
And Joker you are kind of on the old side. Many old people have said stupid things in the media, because that is what they were taught back in the old days only to be thrashed by the media for being so old school and not coming around to todays thinking.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:57 PM
Jack, you're saying that a privledge in this country that you personally enjoy should not be enjoyed by others because they are gay. That's the definition of disciminatory. You are discriminating based on sexual orientation.
It's not homophobia, but it's discrimination against a group. A denial of the same rights your enjoy based on something outside of a group's control. That is, unless, you believe that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice and not something people are born with. Were you also taught this?
You say you believe this because it's what you were taught, as if you have no ability to examine what you were taught and make a choice in how *you* feel. It's a cop-out answer.
It's not homophobia, but it's discrimination against a group. A denial of the same rights your enjoy based on something outside of a group's control. That is, unless, you believe that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice and not something people are born with. Were you also taught this?
You say you believe this because it's what you were taught, as if you have no ability to examine what you were taught and make a choice in how *you* feel. It's a cop-out answer.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 03:00 PM
It's a fact that he came out and said he'd do everything he can do to keep them out. He can use that red tape in many ways to achieve his objective. I've had enough dealings with Menino and Boston City Hall to know if they really want to keep them out they'll come up with a way to keep them out.Which is your opinion,not fact. I could easily say that it is my belief that Mr Cathy will do all in his power to restrict the rights of a segment of our society. It doesn't make it a fact.
I don't think that Menino has much power to stop anything...
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 03:02 PM
because Leviticus 20:13 says so....
And it is easier to keep homosexuals down than to start killing people like in:
"If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die." (Leviticus 20:10)
or:
"Kill anyone with a different religion." (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)
So, just choose which "laws of God" you wish to follow.
And it is easier to keep homosexuals down than to start killing people like in:
"If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die." (Leviticus 20:10)
or:
"Kill anyone with a different religion." (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)
So, just choose which "laws of God" you wish to follow.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 03:03 PM
It's a fact that he came out and said he'd do everything he can do to keep them out. He can use that red tape in many ways to achieve his objective. I've had enough dealings with Menino and Boston City Hall to know if they really want to keep them out they'll come up with a way to keep them out.
Which, of course,
is still your opinion....
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 03:04 PM
And Joker you are kind of on the old side. Many old people have said stupid things in the media, because that is what they were taught back in the old days only to be thrashed by the media for being so old school and not coming around to todays thinking.
As someone who is even older than Jack, I would not blame age on this thinking....
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 03:05 PM
It is also a fact that teher is not much he can do, officially.It's a fact that he came out and said he'd do everything he can do to keep them out. He can use that red tape in many ways to achieve his objective. I've had enough dealings with Menino and Boston City Hall to know if they really want to keep them out they'll come up with a way to keep them out.
But he is allowed to speak his opinion, even if he is not a corporation.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 03:07 PM
I don't care at all and it won't affect my life or my marriage. It's only the word marriage and the definition of it that I was taught.A man spoke those words and it was a man who wrote the bible, not god or someone who spoke to god, a man. You are using age old logic to define today.
My question is why do people care so much about Gay's getting married? How will it affect your life? How will it hurt your marriage? (all general questions not to you specifically J).
I was taught that grass is green, if people decide to start calling it red that isn't going to change my definition of what green is
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 03:08 PM
the govt shouldn't be involved in the marriage business at all.
The govt should not be able to stop a business from opening solely based on the business views of religion, morals, etc...
the people should speak with their dollars and either support a business that does/does not do/support specific issues they care about
Spot on, IMO.
So, just choose which "laws of God" you wish to follow.
Love your neighbor as yourself seems to be a pretty good choice.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 03:13 PM
I'm not saying that at all. Marriage and gay unions should be exactly the same as far as I'm concerned. What rights are being denied? There's no discrimination there at all.Jack, you're saying that a privledge in this country that you personally enjoy should not be enjoyed by others because they are gay. That's the definition of disciminatory. You are discriminating based on sexual orientation.
It's not homophobia, but it's discrimination against a group. A denial of the same rights your enjoy based on something outside of a group's control. That is, unless, you believe that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice and not something people are born with. Were you also taught this?
You say you believe this because it's what you were taught, as if you have no ability to examine what you were taught and make a choice in how *you* feel. It's a cop-out answer.
